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Posted: 4/20/2015 6:36:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/4/2015 6:18:29 PM EDT by bluefalcon]
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ETA: The data, such as it is:


Tula 124 gr HP fired from 16" WASR-10/63 into calibrated 10% gelatin.

BB: 592.2 fps, 3.3"

Impact velocity: 2,466 fps
Penetration: Greater than 10"

The bullet yawed sharply, fragmented only slightly, and exited the top of the block at approximately the 10" mark.
Link Posted: 4/20/2015 10:37:11 PM EDT
Lots of explanations in that video.
Link Posted: 4/21/2015 12:01:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ridgeline:
Lots of explanations in that video.
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What part is confusing?
Link Posted: 4/22/2015 9:55:17 AM EDT
looks like it could be 8m3, which is promising.
Link Posted: 4/22/2015 11:56:28 AM EDT
It is definitely not. 8M3 has been demonstrated in other testing to come apart pretty aggressively. There was very little fragmentation in this case. It yawed early and a couple small lead fragments came off the back end, but it looks like the bullet stayed mostly in one piece.
Link Posted: 4/22/2015 7:37:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/22/2015 8:55:07 PM EDT by VA-gunnut]
Edited...This is not GD...VA-gunnut
Link Posted: 4/22/2015 8:05:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/24/2015 10:20:53 PM EDT by bfoosh06]


Ridgeline.....If you don't have anything nice to say... then say nothing.

BlueFalcon spends his time and money to enlighten everyone here. .... of his free will.... I for one ( of the numerous others here) appreciate his sharing with us AR folk.

He is under no contract nor is he rewarded for his efforts.... so, please be considerate of other people's efforts...regardless of your wants.

I will look at YOUR contributions shortly.

Again....please keep your un-needed comments to your self, please. You seem like a likable person....perhaps a little blunt, but likeable.
Link Posted: 4/22/2015 9:58:31 PM EDT
Ridgeline, there was little empirical data that could be collected in that test because the bullet exited the block. What little data was recorded was listed in the description on the YouTube page. The bullet yawed hard, fragmented slightly, and left the block at about 10", give or take. Does that answer your question(s)?
Link Posted: 4/24/2015 3:21:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/24/2015 3:36:22 AM EDT by Ridgeline]
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Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
Ridgeline, there was little empirical data that could be collected in that test because the bullet exited the block. What little data was recorded was listed in the description on the YouTube page. The bullet yawed hard, fragmented slightly, and left the block at about 10", give or take. Does that answer your question(s)?
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No not at all. ZERO technical info was shown in that video which was my deleted point.

Enjoy your shooting though. Have fun.
Link Posted: 4/24/2015 10:21:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ridgeline:


No not at all. ZERO technical info was shown in that video which was my deleted point.

Enjoy your shooting though. Have fun.
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Originally Posted By Ridgeline:
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
Ridgeline, there was little empirical data that could be collected in that test because the bullet exited the block. What little data was recorded was listed in the description on the YouTube page. The bullet yawed hard, fragmented slightly, and left the block at about 10", give or take. Does that answer your question(s)?


No not at all. ZERO technical info was shown in that video which was my deleted point.

Enjoy your shooting though. Have fun.


What technical information would you like to hear?
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 11:54:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 12:11:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Thanks for the test. Typical stuff for a steel-jacketed bullet.

You've done quite a few of these now; do you have a list of everything that you've tested? I could add it to the FAQ if you want.
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That would be cool. Thank you, sir. Here is a list in plain text to make it easier to copypasta:


The Tula 124 gr HP in the OP: https://youtu.be/xZGrC5bTndA

123gr S&B SP: https://youtu.be/tZD3kIeGaUs

123 gr Double Tap TSX: https://youtu.be/_69-H4lvJBw

122 gr Wolf HP (short barrel): https://youtu.be/fkQ566gw_pM

123 gr Fusion: https://youtu.be/xEo6avZd9ys

154 gr Tula soft point: https://youtu.be/-UWA2-ZvXFI

120 gr Winchester PDX1: https://youtu.be/6IvIpwDGa_s

123 gr Hornady SST: https://youtu.be/_Jn6GiiVrcM


Playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4bt-Jy7IRR55_C0qHnqBlxE8N2d5ytOz
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 7:08:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2015 7:54:33 PM EDT
Thank you, sir. I consider that a great compliment.
Link Posted: 5/3/2015 11:06:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bluefalcon:


What technical information would you like to hear?
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Originally Posted By Ridgeline:
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
Ridgeline, there was little empirical data that could be collected in that test because the bullet exited the block. What little data was recorded was listed in the description on the YouTube page. The bullet yawed hard, fragmented slightly, and left the block at about 10", give or take. Does that answer your question(s)?


No not at all. ZERO technical info was shown in that video which was my deleted point.

Enjoy your shooting though. Have fun.


What technical information would you like to hear?


Nothing. Just nothing. I have 80% loss of my left hand due to this round. Nothing you say at this pint matters. You don't get it and you won't.



Link Posted: 5/3/2015 11:19:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 4:04:11 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:

It's a shot into ballistic gelatin. The video could do a little better job showing the penetration depth, fragmentation, and other related number, but I still think it's kind of rude how you're complaining about his video considering he went through the trouble and considerable expense to make make it.
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Originally Posted By Ridgeline:

Nothing. Just nothing. I have 80% loss of my left hand due to this round. Nothing you say at this pint matters. You don't get it and you won't.

It's a shot into ballistic gelatin. The video could do a little better job showing the penetration depth, fragmentation, and other related number, but I still think it's kind of rude how you're complaining about his video considering he went through the trouble and considerable expense to make make it.


I absolutely concur. I was not pleased with the way this video turned out so I had initially decided not to publish it, but after reading some posts here and on other forums that indicated people believed Tula was using the 8M3 bullet in this load, I thought I should share it. I may revisit this another time with larger blocks but I think that at the least, this is sufficient to prove it is NOT the 8M3 bullet. It does yaw fairly quickly so is likely a better choice than some FMJ, but otherwise performs about the same as most FMJ.
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 4:17:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/4/2015 8:10:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zhukov:
Can you add the numbers in the video description?
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Done. Such as it is.
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