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Posted: 12/3/2009 6:43:15 PM EDT
Hi Folks,
I said I would give a review after receiving a sample of their new rifles. First, I only purchased one because this is a new offering and I didn't want to push rifles that I didn't like. Well, I like the rifle 
The metal has all been parkerized on this rifle and there are no blued or painted parts. The bolt and carrier are factory polished with just a MINOR bit tarnish/staining. The pistol grip on this model is an excellent/new bakelite pistol that matches the bakelite on the bayonet. The bolt travels smoothly up and down the receiver with no binding. The furniture is the original laminated Polish furniture in very good to excellent condition. It came with two blued thirty-round magazines and not the black oxide or black painted magazines. It also came with a nice bakelite Polish bayonet with the black insulator. The rifle functioned flawlessy and the sights are dead on. The magazines locked in place nice and smooth. The ONLY problem that I had with the rifle is that cleaning rod was not included. This is something that Century stated they WILL not replace if they are missing. Here are some pics.... 
thanks, Ron |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:01:00 PM EDT
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That actually looks pretty nice. Thanks for the review. How much will these be retailing for?
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:03:27 PM EDT
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That actually looks pretty nice. Thanks for the review. How much will these be retailing for? We will be selling them for $695. thanks, Ron |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:04:44 PM EDT
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Thanks for the review, Ron. Much appreciated.
What will be the retail price on these again? If someone was looking to get into a milled AK, it might be a good deal. Particularly if Century is contracting out the build, which I believe they are? It's definitely unique. Would love to hear the history behind these. Would also be interested in hearing how these compare to some of the other sub-$800 milled AK's that have hit the market recently. P.S. Can someone educate me? Who is "ATM"? Seems like I've seen that name before on receivers, but I am not familiar with them. |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:08:14 PM EDT
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I feel tempted to buy one, but afraid I'll get a dud like I did with my yugo, but I guess if HD is selling them, there won't be a problem. Century park jobs aren't that durable usually.
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:11:17 PM EDT
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Damn, that actually looks pretty good. Tempting...
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:18:53 PM EDT
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yes it does look nice..I like the multiple rivet pattern in the stock and for a milled polish 47.great price..
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:21:50 PM EDT
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These weapons were subcontracted by Century and NOT built in house but I don't know who ATM is. The parkerizing is very nice and not splotchy or uneven. Our price on the rifle is $695.
As for less expensive milled AK's, I didn't know there where others this cheap. thanks, Ron |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:22:54 PM EDT
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When do you anticipate these rifles being available?
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:27:12 PM EDT
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When do you anticipate these rifles being available? I only have five being shipped to me right now but I can bump this order depending on the interest from this post and the one on KrinkFreak. thanks, Ron |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:28:23 PM EDT
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These weapons were subcontracted by Century and NOT built in house but I don't know who ATM is. The parkerizing is very nice and not splotchy or uneven. Our price on the rifle is $695. As for less expensive milled AK's, I didn't know there where others this cheap. thanks, Ron Hmmm...I'd be interested if anyone knows anything about ATM. Quality receivers? I recently saw another milled AK for $799. Not quite as cheap, and not Polish. I LOVE Polish AK's! They make (made?) some of the best. |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:39:07 PM EDT
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Very nice looking rifle. Now when will they learn to stop marking up the sides of the receivers and put them underneath in front of the mag well?!
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:41:20 PM EDT
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I'm guessing the barrels are not polish correct? Also, why do they always replace the trigger with a tapco one? If they wanted compliance parts they could just buy a tapco magazine instead.
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Posted: 12/3/2009 7:56:11 PM EDT
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I'm guessing the barrels are not polish correct? Also, why do they always replace the trigger with a tapco one? If they wanted compliance parts they could just buy a tapco magazine instead. IMHO, the Tapco trigger is one of the best triggers out there. The only other triggers that I can think of that are just a bit higher in quality were the trigger installed in Norinco's and Polytech's. Besides, I don't think you will find many folks who would take a Tapco magazine over a factory military magazine. thanks, Ron |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 8:00:26 PM EDT
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I'm guessing the barrels are not polish correct? Also, why do they always replace the trigger with a tapco one? If they wanted compliance parts they could just buy a tapco magazine instead. IMHO, the Tapco trigger is one of the best triggers out there. The only other triggers that I can think of that are just a bit higher in quality were the trigger installed in Norinco's and Polytech's. Besides, I don't think you will find many folks who would take a Tapco magazine over a factory military magazine. thanks, Ron I don't trust American companies with anything AK related. If anything would go wrong, I'd rather it be with the magazine then the trigger. |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 8:13:34 PM EDT
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Hmmmm... Me likey.
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Posted: 12/3/2009 8:15:49 PM EDT
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very nice, but like stated above, markings would be best on the bottom. Also, what do we know about the barrels?
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Posted: 12/3/2009 8:29:19 PM EDT
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The most common reliability issue with semi-autos of all designs can most often be traced to mags. Original mil-surp mags are well proven and very reliable. The same can't be said of the crapco mags. While I would prefer forged FCG parts over MIM parts I'd still take the G2 FCG over the Tapco mags any day of the week if I needed the compliance parts. With US FCG parts you are legal with any mag that's put in the gun. If you use the mags to meet compliance you're stuck with aftermarket mags forever.
On a milled receiver Ak, and assuming the barrel and slant brake are both US made, you only need two more US parts to make it legally a US built rifle. The trigger and disco is all that's needed so you can retain the original piston, furniture and mags. I do agree about the marking location. Still a nice looking rifle though. |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 8:54:16 PM EDT
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Is the barrel chrome lined?
Is it an original Polish barrel, or is it U.S. manufactured? |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 9:30:22 PM EDT
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Damn those lightening cuts...
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Posted: 12/3/2009 9:41:41 PM EDT
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The most common reliability issue with semi-autos of all designs can most often be traced to mags. Original mil-surp mags are well proven and very reliable. The same can't be said of the crapco mags. While I would prefer forged FCG parts over MIM parts I'd still take the G2 FCG over the Tapco mags any day of the week if I needed the compliance parts. With US FCG parts you are legal with any mag that's put in the gun. If you use the mags to meet compliance you're stuck with aftermarket mags forever. On a milled receiver Ak, and assuming the barrel and slant brake are both US made, you only need two more US parts to make it legally a US built rifle. The trigger and disco is all that's needed so you can retain the original piston, furniture and mags. I do agree about the marking location. Still a nice looking rifle though. Geez, if the mags are that bad, I wonder what that says about some of their triggers? It's not Century's problem if you are stuck with aftermarket mags. |
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Posted: 12/3/2009 9:50:01 PM EDT
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I wonder how that would look with Russian furniture...
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Posted: 12/3/2009 10:32:30 PM EDT
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Damn those lightening cuts... I agree. Ouch !!! 
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Posted: 12/4/2009 2:37:25 AM EDT
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Geez, if the mags are that bad, I wonder what that says about some of their triggers? There are thousands of G2 fcgs in use. There was one batch with a manufacturing defect that was recalled. Other than that, no one has ever reported a problem involving the G2 fcgs. That says more about the fcg than the magazines. |
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Posted: 12/4/2009 3:25:59 AM EDT
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yeah what's up w/the circle/swirl marks???
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Damn those lightening cuts... I agree. Ouch !!!
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Posted: 12/4/2009 4:26:21 AM EDT
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I like it. I wish they would have done the lightening cuts right, but I could live with them as is.
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Posted: 12/4/2009 4:28:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: yeah what's up w/the circle/swirl marks??? Quoted: Quoted: Damn those lightening cuts... I agree. Ouch !!! They cut the lightening cuts with an end mill, rather than a side milling cutter as on the originals. The originals have "sloping" ends on the lightening cuts vs. the "sharp radii" ends on the end-milled type seen here. The end mill also leaves the "swirl" marks if not sharp. |
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Posted: 12/4/2009 4:32:16 AM EDT
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That looks nice. Pretty good price considering other milled options. I will have to make note for santa.
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Posted: 12/4/2009 4:35:36 AM EDT
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Don't know about you guys but i'll be getting one. Taking pre-orders?
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Posted: 12/4/2009 4:58:02 AM EDT
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it would have been nice to put the manufacturer info on the bottom of the rec. like nodak does. century just doesn't give a hoot. also, to go this far on a milled clone and then put S F instead of the polish markings is a downer also. the up side is that if the barrels are good, the price is right.
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Posted: 12/4/2009 9:46:05 AM EDT
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About $100 too high for me but I really like that furniture, the mismatched look gives it some serious 'tude
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Posted: 12/4/2009 10:31:26 AM EDT
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About $100 too high for me Do tell, where you've found milled rifles of similar quality for 100 bucks less. |
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Posted: 12/4/2009 11:00:32 AM EDT
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The most common reliability issue with semi-autos of all designs can most often be traced to mags. Original mil-surp mags are well proven and very reliable. The same can't be said of the crapco mags. While I would prefer forged FCG parts over MIM parts I'd still take the G2 FCG over the Tapco mags any day of the week if I needed the compliance parts. With US FCG parts you are legal with any mag that's put in the gun. If you use the mags to meet compliance you're stuck with aftermarket mags forever. On a milled receiver Ak, and assuming the barrel and slant brake are both US made, you only need two more US parts to make it legally a US built rifle. The trigger and disco is all that's needed so you can retain the original piston, furniture and mags. I do agree about the marking location. Still a nice looking rifle though. Geez, if the mags are that bad, I wonder what that says about some of their triggers? It's not Century's problem if you are stuck with aftermarket mags. Tapco aside and just speaking of magazine fed semi-autos in general, the world is FULL of crap magazines. Magazines cause the majority of reliability and feeding issues in most semi-auto firearms. I've experienced this simple fact in all sorts of firearms over many years. As a result I'm particular about what brand of mags I will use in my guns. For AKs I'll stick to the many good, available mil-surp mags. While I have had, and seen, many mag related failures, I've never personally experienced, or even seen, a failure attributed to a FCG of any weapon. If you really want both the original FCG and mags then just swap out the gas piston and PG. You are right though, it's not Centrury's problem... it's not mine either... because I set all of my guns up to use the best mags I can get and these don't include aftermarket, IMO. |
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Posted: 12/4/2009 11:18:07 AM EDT
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About $100 too high for me Do tell, where you've found milled rifles of similar quality for 100 bucks less. The EE fro time to time |
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Posted: 12/4/2009 10:03:51 PM EDT
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About $100 too high for me Do tell, where you've found milled rifles of similar quality for 100 bucks less. The EE fro time to time +1 and just shopping around in general, private sellers at gun shows usually are a good bargain Idk maybe its just the name associated with it but I bought a brand new Mak90 last year for $750, and I know its a whole different ball park with the Mak being a ban version, I even thought that was a little high, and I'm not saying that one is superior or inferior to the other but its a Norinco and I have a little more faith in what they do. I'm not ruling this rifle out but it being a Century, albeit a subcontracted one and considering that I could get a NIB Norinco for only $50 more I would just like to see it a lil cheaper, maybe even $50 cheaper 
Who knows, maybe I jumped the gun on that comment but if it keeps getting positive reviews and I find out more information about the barrel I might change my tune, I guess its just a little early for me to make a decision on this rifle |
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Posted: 12/5/2009 6:00:22 AM EDT
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Cosmetics aside , the price seems fair. Keep in mind it's obviously not a "replica" , just a sort of "retro" shooter. 
Would like to know more details on the barrel and such. |
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Posted: 12/5/2009 7:24:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Would like to know more details on the barrel and such. Me too. |
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Posted: 12/5/2009 8:00:49 AM EDT
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Hi Folks,
My rep didn't know who made the barrel for the milled Polish Model 1960 rifles. I think it would be safe to say that Green Mountain Barrel made them until proven otherwise. GMB has made the barrels for their Galil, AK and HK clones and there haven't been any issues with the quality of their barrels (given that the proper dimensions and specifications are provided to them) that I know of. These barrels do not appear chrome-lined because the face of the breech and muzzle are parkerized. When I took the rifle out it was for proper function, not for putting on paper. I wanted to make sure that the front and rear sights were in fact aligned correctly and were somewhat zeroed. I was hitting targets at 75 and 100 yards no problems but again, I wasn't trying shooting paper and checking for groups. thanks, Ron |
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Posted: 12/5/2009 9:27:37 AM EDT
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The receiver says Fridley Mn. Is that anywhere near South Saint Paul, MN or Inver Grove Heights, MN? The Minnesota Secretary of State's website won't allow a search on the owner's name and doesn't show a business named ATM in Fridley MN.
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Posted: 12/5/2009 10:53:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: The receiver says Fridley Mn. Is that anywhere near South Saint Paul, MN or Inver Grove Heights, MN? The Minnesota Secretary of State's website won't allow a search on the owner's name and doesn't show a business named ATM in Fridley MN. Map |
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Posted: 12/5/2009 11:49:25 AM EDT
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The receiver says Fridley Mn. Is that anywhere near South Saint Paul, MN or Inver Grove Heights, MN? The Minnesota Secretary of State's website won't allow a search on the owner's name and doesn't show a business named ATM in Fridley MN. Map Same area as Blackthrone. |
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Posted: 12/5/2009 1:20:51 PM EDT
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The receiver says Fridley Mn. Is that anywhere near South Saint Paul, MN or Inver Grove Heights, MN? The Minnesota Secretary of State's website won't allow a search on the owner's name and doesn't show a business named ATM in Fridley MN. Map Same area as Blackthrone. oh good god, please tell me you are joking I'll PASS on this rifle if they made the receiver 
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Posted: 12/5/2009 1:45:45 PM EDT
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The receiver says Fridley Mn. Is that anywhere near South Saint Paul, MN or Inver Grove Heights, MN? The Minnesota Secretary of State's website won't allow a search on the owner's name and doesn't show a business named ATM in Fridley MN. Map Same area as Blackthrone. oh good god, please tell me you are joking I'll PASS on this rifle if they made the receiver What's the deal with the company in question? |
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Posted: 12/5/2009 2:12:53 PM EDT
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The receiver says Fridley Mn. Is that anywhere near South Saint Paul, MN or Inver Grove Heights, MN? The Minnesota Secretary of State's website won't allow a search on the owner's name and doesn't show a business named ATM in Fridley MN. Map Same area as Blackthrone. oh good god, please tell me you are joking I'll PASS on this rifle if they made the receiver What's the deal with the company in question? Hesse. |
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Posted: 12/5/2009 2:50:55 PM EDT
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Well, if the Fridley address is just a smoke and mirrors show, you have three receiver builders in the immediate area.
Vulcan/Hesse/Blackthorne in South St. Paul, NDS in Edina, and DCI in Blaine. DCI is the closest geographically, just 6 miles up the road. Just speculating... |
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Posted: 12/5/2009 2:57:55 PM EDT
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Well, if the Fridley address is just a smoke and mirrors show, you have three receiver builders in the immediate area. Vulcan/Hesse/Blackthorne in South St. Paul, NDS in Edina, and DCI in Blaine. DCI is the closest geographically, just 6 miles up the road. Just speculating... Edina and fridley are a long ways from each other, sounds like these are hesse/blackthorn receivers. If they are expect heat treat issues. |
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Posted: 12/5/2009 5:14:58 PM EDT
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Well, if the Fridley address is just a smoke and mirrors show, you have three receiver builders in the immediate area. Vulcan/Hesse/Blackthorne in South St. Paul, NDS in Edina, and DCI in Blaine. DCI is the closest geographically, just 6 miles up the road. Just speculating... Exactly just speculating no one knows for certain. I didn't think about dci, but that would make more sense. DCI did make a nice fal receiver so they certainly could make a good AK receiver. |
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Posted: 12/5/2009 5:20:17 PM EDT
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Any way to find out for sure who makes these receivers/builds for Century?
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Posted: 12/5/2009 9:42:02 PM EDT
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Well, if the Fridley address is just a smoke and mirrors show, you have three receiver builders in the immediate area. Vulcan/Hesse/Blackthorne in South St. Paul, NDS in Edina, and DCI in Blaine. DCI is the closest geographically, just 6 miles up the road. Just speculating... Exactly just speculating no one knows for certain. I didn't think about dci, but that would make more sense. DCI did make a nice fal receiver so they certainly could make a good AK receiver. I thought DCI and NDS were one and the same, no? |
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Posted: 12/5/2009 10:17:16 PM EDT
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NDS is no longer part of DCI
As far as those barrels go, I am guessing they could be factory Polish, Century had a boatload of these rifles before the barrel ban was placed and took effect. |
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Posted: 12/6/2009 9:35:43 AM EDT
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NDS is no longer part of DCI As far as those barrels go, I am guessing they could be factory Polish, Century had a boatload of these rifles before the barrel ban was placed and took effect. Not if they are not chrome lined. |
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