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Posted: 11/24/2011 12:39:46 PM EDT
Besides the Yugo stuff? Anything from Russia?
Link Posted: 11/24/2011 12:48:17 PM EDT
Norinco Steel Core (the good stuff) on stripper clips, used to be $60.00 for two 650 round (1300 round s total) "Tuna Cans" in a wooden crate.

Too bad those days are gone.

You can still find some ComBloc surplus if you look hard enough.
Link Posted: 11/24/2011 1:54:48 PM EDT
There may have been some Soviet era surplus that was imported but I haven't seen it. Soviet/Russian military 7.62 ammunition has steel core bullets. Importation of steel core 7.62 x 39 ammunition is banned because of the availability of pistols in that caliber. I can't recall exactly when that happened off hand but it was before the ban on Chinese made ammunition and before Russian made ammunition was imported in large quantities.
Link Posted: 11/24/2011 2:40:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
There may have been some Soviet era surplus that was imported but I haven't seen it. Soviet/Russian military 7.62 ammunition has steel core bullets. Importation of steel core 7.62 x 39 ammunition is banned because of the availability of pistols in that caliber. I can't recall exactly when that happened off hand but it was before the ban on Chinese made ammunition and before Russian made ammunition was imported in large quantities.


As I recall Olympic made a 7.62 ar pistol (after many in the industry told them not to...)
Link Posted: 11/24/2011 3:26:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/24/2011 3:27:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 11/24/2011 5:09:45 PM EDT
I still have a stash of some surplus East German 7.62x39 ;)
Link Posted: 11/24/2011 7:14:16 PM EDT
I've got some East German 7.62 as well.
Link Posted: 11/24/2011 7:47:51 PM EDT
I have a tin of 550 Chinese steel core on strippers stashed away
Link Posted: 11/24/2011 8:37:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/24/2011 9:01:14 PM EDT by ishoot2live]
Originally Posted By FlyLeaf:
I have a tin of 550 Chinese steel core on strippers stashed away




ETA: Were those tins (Tuna Cans) 550, or 650?

I thought the were 650, but now that you mention it, I could be wrong (its been a minute since I bought it).

Link Posted: 11/25/2011 5:31:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ishoot2live:
Originally Posted By FlyLeaf:
I have a tin of 550 Chinese steel core on strippers stashed away




ETA: Were those tins (Tuna Cans) 550, or 650?

I thought the were 650, but now that you mention it, I could be wrong (its been a minute since I bought it).



The tins with strippers were 550 rounds.The tins without strippers had 700.Very hard to find the non stripper tins.Both were wrapped in brown paper with a string tied around the paper.
I also have a box of 63 head stamped chinese copper washed tracers,still look like new to this day.
Link Posted: 11/25/2011 1:59:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By FlyLeaf:
Originally Posted By ishoot2live:
Originally Posted By FlyLeaf:
I have a tin of 550 Chinese steel core on strippers stashed away




ETA: Were those tins (Tuna Cans) 550, or 650?

I thought the were 650, but now that you mention it, I could be wrong (its been a minute since I bought it).



The tins with strippers were 550 rounds.The tins without strippers had 700.Very hard to find the non stripper tins.Both were wrapped in brown paper with a string tied around the paper.
I also have a box of 63 head stamped chinese copper washed tracers,still look like new to this day.


Thanks.

The ones I remember are the ones you describe. 550 on strippers, wrapped in brown paper with a string tied around the paper with 3 10 round sets per paper package.

I stand corrected.



Link Posted: 11/25/2011 5:43:42 PM EDT
Century Arms (and others I assume) imported real, surplus European M43 7.62x39mm in the approx. two years between the fall of communism in 1991/1992 and the Clinton Administration-era ruling in mid-1994 that prohibited it's importation. Surplus East German, Czech, Hungarian and a very limited amount of real Soviet M43 came in before the hammer fell. Not many folks purchased it because of the huge amounts of Chi-Com surplus that was available, which kept the price low, too low for the market of what was sold as "blaster" ammo and nothing more.

I can't even hope to remember how many rounds of cheap, plentiful Chi-Com ammo myself and my shooting buddies sent downrange through any manner of cheap, surplus Chinese SKS rifles, I sometimes feel guilty for the hours I spent slinging lead for the cost of .22LR! I did loose my fear of "corrosive" ammo though. I never, ever had a failure to fire either, it always worked. I should have at least kept SOME of the ammo, hindsights always 20/20. The Yugoslavian-era M67 is just as good, if not better, but costs three times the price (if not more adjusted for inflation). That Yugo M67 was a screaming deal when AIM sold it for $99.00 a case. Not so much when it's twice that price.
Link Posted: 11/25/2011 8:21:02 PM EDT
Im betting there will come a time very soon when the Yugo M67 will be $300+ a crate.We will be kicking ourselves for not buying all we could at the $214 price it is now.I have 2 crates of it and want at least 4-5.
Link Posted: 11/26/2011 3:59:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Killjoy321:
Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
There may have been some Soviet era surplus that was imported but I haven't seen it. Soviet/Russian military 7.62 ammunition has steel core bullets. Importation of steel core 7.62 x 39 ammunition is banned because of the availability of pistols in that caliber. I can't recall exactly when that happened off hand but it was before the ban on Chinese made ammunition and before Russian made ammunition was imported in large quantities.


As I recall Olympic made a 7.62 ar pistol (after many in the industry told them not to...)


Thats what happened. I just can't recall when.
Link Posted: 11/26/2011 4:03:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FlyLeaf:
Both were wrapped in brown paper with a string tied around the paper.


Not every plant tied string around the bundles for every production run. Plant 31 seems to have produced plenty of cans of clipped ammunition without the tied bundles.
Link Posted: 11/26/2011 4:07:43 AM EDT
Originally Posted By emmetf:
Century Arms (and others I assume) imported real, surplus European M43 7.62x39mm in the approx. two years between the fall of communism in 1991/1992 and the Clinton Administration-era ruling in mid-1994 that prohibited it's importation.


It wasn't a "ruling" which banned importation.
The statute prohibits manufacture of ammunition which fits the definition of armor piercing. Part of that definition is that the ammunition can be used in a handgun. Once 7.62X39 pistols were made commercially the steel core was doomed.
Link Posted: 11/26/2011 6:53:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
Originally Posted By FlyLeaf:
Both were wrapped in brown paper with a string tied around the paper.


Not every plant tied string around the bundles for every production run. Plant 31 seems to have produced plenty of cans of clipped ammunition without the tied bundles.


Were those the non copper washed ones,like a green finish on them?
Imagine the chinese workers job it was to tie the strings onto the ammo that had strings on them.
Link Posted: 11/26/2011 7:55:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FireBase:
I still have a stash of some surplus East German 7.62x39 ;)


Is this the plastic core ammo that came in during the 90's? I don't recall any other E.G. stuff that came in.
Link Posted: 11/26/2011 8:52:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/26/2011 8:53:12 AM EDT by N4KVE]
I still have lots of the South African AK ammo put away. Magnet's don't like it. About 10 years ago, a friend & I split a case of 1000 rds of ammo from Jordan. Brass case, copper coated steel bullet [seller removed the slug to show it was all steel except for the copper coating]. I haven't shot it. Only for SHTF situations. GARY N4KVE
Link Posted: 11/27/2011 8:10:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 762x39nut:
Originally Posted By FireBase:
I still have a stash of some surplus East German 7.62x39 ;)


Is this the plastic core ammo that came in during the 90's? I don't recall any other E.G. stuff that came in.


http://www.polygunbag.com/7.62x39M43AmmunitionLargerView.html
Link Posted: 11/28/2011 3:14:51 PM EDT
Lapua M43 with 1970s headstamp were sold a few years ago in disintegrating paper boxes by C.A.I. and SOG.
Link Posted: 11/29/2011 12:48:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/29/2011 12:52:51 AM EDT by theblackcat]
Originally Posted By steinlok87:
Besides the Yugo stuff? Anything from Russia?


http://hostinga.imagecross.com/image-hosting-10/3218762NCrc.JPG
http://hostinga.imagecross.com/image-hosting-10/1177pix329254531.jpg


Small amount of Russian M43 made it in before the '94 ban but good luck finding any... Top can still in the safe, I can't seem to bring myself to shoot it.
Link Posted: 11/29/2011 9:18:04 AM EDT
Surplus 7.62x39mm seen since 1985...

Chinese, Russian, Czech, Hungarian, South African, Portuguese, Iranian, Iraqi, Egyptian, Yugo/Bosnian/Serb., East German, Finnish, Austrian, USA (BELL)

Everything else is new-manufacture, re-manufacture or in small enough quantities that I consider it collector instead of shooter.

1DD
Link Posted: 11/29/2011 2:22:09 PM EDT
I also had some of that EG plastic core M43 Ub training ammo back in the late 90's. Didn't have a spitzer shaped bullet, more like a roundnose. The East German FMJ looks like that good Hungarian MFS stuff.
Link Posted: 11/29/2011 9:15:42 PM EDT
South African made was surplus.

Chinese

Hungarian I've seen and collect.

Egyptian I've seen and also some from Israel remarked.

Link Posted: 12/5/2011 1:01:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
at Aim we used to sell Romanian 700rd cans and South African in battle packs


I still have a sealed 1400 rd case of the SA,.... For hoarding only, i'll shoot up the wolf and Yugo for now.
Link Posted: 12/5/2011 1:52:01 PM EDT
Remember Chinese stuff, sold by the pound, at about .3 cents a round.
Link Posted: 12/9/2011 2:59:40 PM EDT
That EG stuff was great ammo. A 1360-round case (big metal can in a green wood box) sold for about $100 back in the glory days. But my favorite surplus is the Yugo, and you can still get it.
Link Posted: 12/9/2011 6:57:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/12/2011 9:02:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
at Aim we used to sell Romanian 700rd cans and South African in battle packs


I bought a metric buttload of the South African clear battlepacks from you guys. That was good ammo. Accurate, consistant, brass cased and non-corrosive. I still keep a few battlepacks in my SHTF stash.

Link Posted: 12/12/2011 1:02:57 PM EDT
Surplus like this?

Can anyone ID any of this?

Not mine btw.




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