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Posted: 8/21/2020 6:18:53 AM EDT
and how accurate are they through your rifles?
i think i am done buying Hornady loaded ammo. projectiles i will use up until depleted, i have reloaded for close to 10 years, but you know there are some days you are burned out and just want to shoot.. right? i own a few bolt gun chambered in 308 so with all the mess happening i decided to give SGAmmo some business and me have some spare boxes. i decided to order fgmm 168 and the 308 Win 168 Grain ELD Match Hornady Superformance Match Ammo - 80963 3 bolt guns the fgmm shot under an inch group. the Hornady was all advertised as 100-200 FPS faster(u felt it) and guess what, it was all 1.5 inches or above. these are all known .5 inch guns. pretty disappointing... while at the range i remembered my issues with the super performance 178 ammo i had to send back because it was blowing primers... i think i'll stick to Federal loaded, Sierra and Berger projectiles... |
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I gave up on Hornady factory ammo and projectiles 2 or 3 years ago.
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love me some hornady! my 223 55 grs were on point. im working on 3d printed bullets as well. got 9mm and 38 spl pretty good. wasted a few beetles here in there
im open to other companies was looking at factory second on midway usa but never tried them. Failed To Load Title would love to let you try some lmk!!! [email protected] |
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Hornady’s factory ELD-M and Xs have been sub moa in every rifle I have shot them through (bergara, tikka, bighorn) except for my fix which didn’t really like anything but FGMM. That being said I’ve been pretty disappointed with the Precision Hunter’s performance out of my PVA barreled origin build(shooting 0.8ish). Looking forward to trying out the Federal Berger hybrid in 6.5PRC when it comes available. 6.5 PRC options are pretty limited when it comes to factory loaded ammo. I need to start reloading
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I'm using Hornady Black 450 BM to accumulate brass for this round,already have bullets and powder.
It's shooting about 1 moa using a Vortex 1-8 so at least for this combo it is GTG. Don't presently use Hornady for any other rifles BTW this 450BM is the only rifle I feed factory ammo. Every other one gets "custom " ammo LOL. Reloads by me |
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I shoot hornady black in my .450 ruger American and it shoots sub MOA out to 200 yards. For .308, Hornady Match 308 Winchester Ammo 168 Grain A-Max, shoots 1/2 MOA in my bolt gun.
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Originally Posted By cruze5: and how accurate are they through your rifles? i think i am done buying Hornady loaded ammo. projectiles i will use up until depleted, i have reloaded for close to 10 years, but you know there are some days you are burned out and just want to shoot.. right? i own a few bolt gun chambered in 308 so with all the mess happening i decided to give SGAmmo some business and me have some spare boxes. i decided to order fgmm 168 and the 308 Win 168 Grain ELD Match Hornady Superformance Match Ammo - 80963 3 bolt guns the fgmm shot under an inch group. the Hornady was all advertised as 100-200 FPS faster(u felt it) and guess what, it was all 1.5 inches or above. these are all known .5 inch guns. pretty disappointing... while at the range i remembered my issues with the super performance 178 ammo i had to send back because it was blowing primers... i think i'll stick to Federal loaded, Sierra and Berger projectiles... View Quote That's because you bought Superformance. Superformance can be hit or miss, pun intended, depending on the rifle. Get the standard 168 ELD-M load and try it. I think you will be happier and with a BC of .523 versus the SMK .462 you will like them at longer range also. I have shot them to 1200 yards in matches. |
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147 gr ELD-M 6.5 Creedmoor is a 1/2-3/4 MOA load, depending on lot, out of my Bergara. I’m going to continue shooting it.
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I'm a fan of most factory Hornady loads. I've sworn by the .223 55 gr v-max load for years. Its MOA or better in every AR I've shot it through. I've been happy with 6.5 creedmoor 140 gr ELD-M and ELD-x in my bolt gun as well.
The only Hornady ammo I haven't been happy with was .22 73 gr ELD-M superformance match. For whatever reason this stuff can only do about 2 MOA in any of my ARs or .223 bolt gun. |
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I have to agree on the 450 Bushmaster. I was getting Hornady Black a couple of years ago on sale and I couldn't buy the brass as well as primer/powder/bullet for what I got it for on sale. I save the brass and now it is worth reloading.
I will usually use some factory loads as benchmarks for new (to me) cartridges. I have a good supply of Federal GMM for 223 and 308. As I built rifles in 6.5 Grendel, 224 Valkerie, 22 Nosler, 6mm and 6.5 Creedmoor, etc., I obtained some Hornady ELD-M and other "match" rounds as benchmarks for both velocity and accuracy in those rounds. It's usually pretty easy to surpass both as I typically only have one or two in those calibers to tailor rounds to. |
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Originally Posted By cruze5: and how accurate are they through your rifles? View Quote I bought a few hundred rounds of Hornady .204 Ruger at a good price just for the brass. It all shot MOA or smaller. Well, except for the one round with no powder. |
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My 6.5CM loves the Hornady 140gr Match factory loads. I've tried a few .308 factory loads from Hornady in my Savage and haven't found any that were particuarly promising. FGMM .308 will shoot under an inch at 100 yards in the same Savage.
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The Hornandy that I've bought is their LeverRevolution .32 win. spec for my 94, it has a better BC than round nose nose and is accurate.
The other I've used is 30-06 M1 Garand Match which is loaded with 168 gr. A max bullets, that's a Garand specific load. |
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Originally Posted By Rob01: That's because you bought Superformance. Superformance can be hit or miss, pun intended, depending on the rifle. Get the standard 168 ELD-M load and try it. I think you will be happier and with a BC of .523 versus the SMK .462 you will like them at longer range also. I have shot them to 1200 yards in matches. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Rob01: Originally Posted By cruze5: and how accurate are they through your rifles? i think i am done buying Hornady loaded ammo. projectiles i will use up until depleted, i have reloaded for close to 10 years, but you know there are some days you are burned out and just want to shoot.. right? i own a few bolt gun chambered in 308 so with all the mess happening i decided to give SGAmmo some business and me have some spare boxes. i decided to order fgmm 168 and the 308 Win 168 Grain ELD Match Hornady Superformance Match Ammo - 80963 3 bolt guns the fgmm shot under an inch group. the Hornady was all advertised as 100-200 FPS faster(u felt it) and guess what, it was all 1.5 inches or above. these are all known .5 inch guns. pretty disappointing... while at the range i remembered my issues with the super performance 178 ammo i had to send back because it was blowing primers... i think i'll stick to Federal loaded, Sierra and Berger projectiles... That's because you bought Superformance. Superformance can be hit or miss, pun intended, depending on the rifle. Get the standard 168 ELD-M load and try it. I think you will be happier and with a BC of .523 versus the SMK .462 you will like them at longer range also. I have shot them to 1200 yards in matches. 308 Win 168 Grain ELD Match Hornady Match Ammo - 80966 good grief its almost $80 more? |
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I've had great luck with Hornady Grendel factory loads. My 18" Criterion barreled Grendel AR will consistently do a little under 1" 5 round groups with the Black 123gr ELD-M load. My last Grendel AR with a Lilja barrel consistently hovered around .7-.8 MOA with the same ammo, sometimes a bit less.
I've never had any luck with any of the Superformance stuff. |
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its more than that.
$440(80966)- $329(80963) for what i bought is 111 dollars MORE for the ammo you suggested that is not super performance |
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Never mind
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I bought 200 rounds from Sgammo a few weeks back for stashing
I wanted to shoot it to see what I was working with.. now I know |
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Have to shop around. You can find the 168 ELDs for $29/20. 200 would be $290. Even the most expensive I saw it was $35/20. If they want $44/20 then they are ripping you off.
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The best group I have ever shot out of my RPR in 6.5 creedmoor was with factory Hornady American Gunner 140gr loads. My handloads are basically right there in practical group sizes, but that gun really likes that factory loading (which was initially bought because it gave me 50 pieces of brass).
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140 American Gunner and 140 ELD-M 6.5 CM get me .6-.7" groups in my AR. 178 BTHP .308 was in the .6" region in my brother's R700 5R. Never had a problem with their 75 gr. .223 BTHP's, either, although I get a better price on Sierra 77's.
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Had great luck with Hornady in .308 and 6.5 Creed.
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We use Hornady #8105 for work and it shoots just as well as FGMM through a bunch of rifles. I load that bullet for my rifles since I am no longer doing the young guy stuff anymore. We also use the Hornady #8125C for our 5.56 and it really good to. I have only seen one rifle that shoots the superformance stuff well, in the others rifes it was 1.5 moa at best. I'd say try some of the standard pressure stuff before you give up on them...
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Interesting to see how negative most of the thread is, doesn’t match my experience. I’ve moved away from Federal/Sierra to Hornady loaded ammo and projectiles but I shoot semi’s. My 13 yo daughter shoots a bolt action and here’s her results 100m 6.5 C 140 ELD-M loaded
Early gum-ball experiment, water based glue melted them so we just used it as POA. This was in the first ~50 rounds on that rifle, 100 meters. Attached File Shoe-goo works great for gumballs, 100 yards. Attached File About ~150 on the barrel. She still gets buck fever a lot on good groups. Attached File A recent 100m group. Attached File *ETA gum-balls seem to be between .57-.64" if you care. |
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Originally Posted By lew: 140 American Gunner and 140 ELD-M 6.5 CM get me .6-.7" groups in my AR. 178 BTHP .308 was in the .6" region in my brother's R700 5R. Never had a problem with their 75 gr. .223 BTHP's, either, although I get a better price on Sierra 77's. View Quote 130 white box out of my .260 does the same. Attached File |
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168 ELD Superformance went 3MOA in my factory Rem 700 AAC.
175 SMK Federal GMM is 3/4 MOA Handloads (so far) is 1/2 MOA I'd like to try the 168 Federal Match and some of the other Hornady match ammo, but can't find it around here. |
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Originally Posted By ShOcKeRpb: 168 ELD Superformance went 3MOA in my factory Rem 700 AAC. 175 SMK Federal GMM is 3/4 MOA Handloads (so far) is 1/2 MOA I'd like to try the 168 Federal Match and some of the other Hornady match ammo, but can't find it around here. View Quote Someone in this thread said that their superformance ammo seems to be less accurate a lot of times. I had a similar experience as you but with .223 superformance ammo. I'd be curious to try standard Hornady match ammo with the same bullet and see if it shoots better. |
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In .308, 6.5cm, and 350L it has been ok. Match loads in the first two, hunting in the legend.
Any more, my expectations of rifle ammo are fairly poor since I load for the rifle calibers I shoot. The 6.5 isn't mine so I don't load it, but I'm trying to convince the neighbor to buy me dies and components so I can load for him. I don't know how to better explain it to him than showing him groups of factory match ammo shooting the same size group at 100yds that my hand loads will do at 200yds. Granted, we're not shooting lapua or black hills, but most any other brand/load has been tried. I do use Hornady bullets (165 ftx) for the legend, and it stacks them at 100yds. I also have amazing results loading 53 and 55gr VMAX in .223. I think I can get them to cloverleaf at 100yds if I actually put forth some effort loading them. But so far they're pushing around ¾" @ 100 loaded bulk style... 55gr fmj is pretty good for what it is. Their 150gr .308 fmj is junk though. It doesn't do any better than generic M80 loads, and can cost more than some expanding bullets of good repute. So lately I've just been buying factory seconds from midway. Despite their QC problems (whatever reason they failed is unknown to me), they shoot way better for what is often 5cpr less. As well as having better ballistics and on some models, the prospect that they might expand in flesh. One of the "seconds" I got is a 165gr with a red tip (I think Hornady SST), they shoot damn good, will probably expand, and they were 20cpr. Not 25cpr like the fmj. |
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Originally Posted By PalmettoState: The best group I have ever shot out of my RPR in 6.5 creedmoor was with factory Hornady American Gunner 140gr loads. My handloads are basically right there in practical group sizes, but that gun really likes that factory loading (which was initially bought because it gave me 50 pieces of brass). View Quote Same, my rpr loves the stuff. I have gotten better results loading, but not by much. For the price it’s hard to beat, and I get brass to load later. Never had great results with .223 match stuff out of my Larue tOBR. Barely beat wolf gold, the Aussie match ammo was considerably better. Hornady owes my $80 for the bs SBR ammo I bought. |
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I'm un the moa all day long thread with 2 different guns using eld-x
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The 6.5140 ELDM and 140 OTM Black loads have always shot lights out in every rifle I’ve tried. For the price of the Black, which is essentially rebranded American Gunner, it shoots fantastic.
I tried 143 Precision Hunter and the factory ammo wouldn’t behave. Always 4 shots in a nice group with a flyer to ruin it. I almost gave up, but tried hand loading and shot my then-best-ever group for hand loads, a .43” 5 shot center to center. American Whitetail has always been around 1.2-1.5” in the same rifle and I never tried superformance because of reputation. |
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