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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2022 10:41:57 AM EDT
Hi All,
I am wanting to build a new bolt action. As of right now I have: semi custom Rem 700 26" varmint 6.5 CM in a KRG Bravo. Very nice shooter, but heavy. (~13lbs) Big Horn Origin 26" medium palma criterion in 308 in a KRG Bravo, VERY nice shooter, but heavy. (~13lbs) Ruger American Predator 6.5CM in a Magpul Hunter, amazed how good a shooter this is. (~9.5lbs) Looking at building something a bit lighter (I do not hunt at all, but still carry go out in the fields) and also more for a different look. Mack Bros SS EVO action BDL Barrel will probably be a lighter profile (lighter than medium palma but not thin) AG Composite Adjustable Chalk Stock - This is the look I want, so this stock is the one that will be used. My question is, should I stick with 6.5CM?? Is there something better for longer distance targets? Will another caliber be worth setting up for? I do reload and I am setup for 6.5CM and .308. I only use Lapua brass and Shooters World Precision Rifle Powder for both. (Works great) Since I do not hunt, can't see the reason to go up to long action for more recoil. Thought about 300WM, but keep thinking why, will it be better? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2022 11:09:00 AM EDT
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6.5 PRC is short action I think if you want less barrel life and a bit more velocity.
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Posted: 4/7/2022 2:55:03 PM EDT
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PRC is a different bolt face so wouldn't go that route. A 6 Creed wouldn't be bad with what you shoot now but a 6.5 set up different would work.
And 13 pounds is far from heavy.  LOL
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Posted: 4/7/2022 3:50:41 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2022 8:21:02 PM EDT
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Going to take a look at the 6mm CM.
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Posted: 4/7/2022 8:28:47 PM EDT
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Eh, you could go with one of the 6's, but for you purposes (I'm assuming not shooting PRS or NRL matches), I think the 6.5C is perfect.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/8/2022 9:55:35 AM EDT
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No, I do not shoot any type of competition. I shoot for fun. So I am guessing I should probably just stick with 6.5CM. 6MM will get me a bit more distance, but will also require a new reloading setup. HHmmm
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Posted: 4/8/2022 10:00:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirgarreth: No, I do not shoot any type of competition. I shoot for fun. So I am guessing I should probably just stick with 6.5CM. 6MM will get me a bit more distance, but will also require a new reloading setup. HHmmm The 6mm won't get you more distance. It's just different and shoots faster and flatter. Actually you can shoot just as far if not farther with the 6.5 if you use a good length barrel and higher BC bullets. Sounds like you just want to stick with the 6.5 so do that but set the rifle up to do what you want if wanting to shoot long. I have shot my 6.5 to a mile. |
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Posted: 4/8/2022 10:33:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kcobean: 6mm Creedmoor And, when you get to >20lbs, THAT is heavy: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/82768/Masterpiece_Arms2_heavy_jpg-2341156.JPG I just added a weight kit to my PMR Pro and she’s a nice thick 26 lbs. |
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Posted: 4/8/2022 10:37:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSC182: I just added a weight kit to my PMR Pro and she’s a nice thick 26 lbs. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MSC182: Originally Posted By kcobean: 6mm Creedmoor And, when you get to >20lbs, THAT is heavy: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/82768/Masterpiece_Arms2_heavy_jpg-2341156.JPG I just added a weight kit to my PMR Pro and she’s a nice thick 26 lbs.  I really didn't like when my AI went over 18lbs. I'd never take a 26lb rifle out of the safe. I'd just stick with 6.5CM OP unless you routinely shoot beyond 1200yds. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/8/2022 2:07:12 PM EDT
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So far the furthest I have shot is 600 yards. Don't even know where to go for anything past that.
I guess I just want to build a quality rifle with a certain look.I will stick with 6.5 Creedmoor. This is the look I am after. This is from the Stock mfgs Website.  |
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Posted: 4/8/2022 2:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirgarreth: So far the furthest I have shot is 600 yards. Don't even know where to go for anything past that. I guess I just want to build a quality rifle with a certain look.I will stick with 6.5 Creedmoor. This is the look I am after. This is from the Stock mfgs Website. https://i.imgur.com/rXgB04M.jpg If your goals are within 800 yards I’d go with a .223rem with 1-7 twist barrel. Load 75-80gr bullets and have fun. |
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Posted: 4/8/2022 2:28:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirgarreth: So far the furthest I have shot is 600 yards. Don't even know where to go for anything past that. I guess I just want to build a quality rifle with a certain look.I will stick with 6.5 Creedmoor. This is the look I am after. This is from the Stock mfgs Website. https://i.imgur.com/rXgB04M.jpg Hey - if you want to post a pic from a site, you can usually right click on it and get the link for the image |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/8/2022 2:40:25 PM EDT
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Yep, usually, but this site did not let me do that.
I would, but the action I have is for standard, .308, 6.5 CM, etc, 223 would not work. |
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Posted: 4/9/2022 7:13:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirgarreth: Yep, usually, but this site did not let me do that. I would, but the action I have is for standard, .308, 6.5 CM, etc, 223 would not work. You could go .22 Creedmoore or .22-250. That would be a sweet carry rig for coyotes and armadillos. |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 4:17:22 PM EDT
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I’d stick with 6.5
You could maybe go 7SAUM but it would cost quite a bit more per shot. 6.5C gets a lot of manbun comments and general poking fun of but it’s really a great all around cartridge. 6.5 Swed got tons of respect for that over the decades. 6.5C does everything it can in a smaller more efficient package. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/25/2022 4:15:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirgarreth: Yep, usually, but this site did not let me do that. I would, but the action I have is for standard, .308, 6.5 CM, etc, 223 would not work. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirgarreth: Yep, usually, but this site did not let me do that. I would, but the action I have is for standard, .308, 6.5 CM, etc, 223 would not work. Originally Posted By sirgarreth: Big Horn Origin 26" medium palma criterion in 308 in a KRG Bravo, VERY nice shooter, but heavy. (~13lbs) Devil’s advocate here… For 600 yards a 6.5 anything (or 308) is a waste with the state of the ammo/component market. 223 all day. Get a 223 bolt head for your Origin and a pre fit barrel of your choice and have some fun. If you want light then get a 20” Proof carbon fiber prefit. A 75/77 gr 223 at 2900 fps is pretty fun out at 600 and it does it with 24 ish grains of powder and bullets that cost a quarter instead of a half dollar. My $0.05 (adjusted for inflation). |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 6:30:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GMZ: Devil’s advocate here… For 600 yards a 6.5 anything (or 308) is a waste with the state of the ammo/component market. 223 all day. Get a 223 bolt head for your Origin and a pre fit barrel of your choice and have some fun. If you want light then get a 20” Proof carbon fiber prefit. A 75/77 gr 223 at 2900 fps is pretty fun out at 600 and it does it with 24 ish grains of powder and bullets that cost a quarter instead of a half dollar. My $0.05 (adjusted for inflation). Not a bad idea. I have a .223 bolt head for my Bighorn TL3 and run a 27" .223 Proof Competition Contour 7 twist with 75 ELDs and have shot it to 1150 yards in matches. 600 would be an easy button. Varget or IMR8208 work great. Can go a little lighter contour like a medium palma to keep weight down but I would go 24-26" to keep up the free velocity. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 7:39:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Not a bad idea. I have a .223 bolt head for my Bighorn TL3 and run a 27" .223 Proof Competition Contour 7 twist with 75 ELDs and have shot it to 1150 yards in matches. 600 would be an easy button. Varget or IMR8208 work great. Can go a little lighter contour like a medium palma to keep weight down but I would go 24-26" to keep up the free velocity. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Originally Posted By GMZ: Devil’s advocate here… For 600 yards a 6.5 anything (or 308) is a waste with the state of the ammo/component market. 223 all day. Get a 223 bolt head for your Origin and a pre fit barrel of your choice and have some fun. If you want light then get a 20” Proof carbon fiber prefit. A 75/77 gr 223 at 2900 fps is pretty fun out at 600 and it does it with 24 ish grains of powder and bullets that cost a quarter instead of a half dollar. My $0.05 (adjusted for inflation). Not a bad idea. I have a .223 bolt head for my Bighorn TL3 and run a 27" .223 Proof Competition Contour 7 twist with 75 ELDs and have shot it to 1150 yards in matches. 600 would be an easy button. Varget or IMR8208 work great. Can go a little lighter contour like a medium palma to keep weight down but I would go 24-26" to keep up the free velocity. I’ll third this as I really like my TL2 in 223Rem. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/25/2022 7:43:16 PM EDT
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Going to look into the 223 bolt for my Origin, but for the action I am building now will be a 6.5 CM.
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Posted: 4/25/2022 7:47:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sirgarreth: Going to look into the 223 bolt for my Origin, but for the action I am building now will be a 6.5 CM. Just the bolthead. https://www.zermattarms.com/?product=bolt-heads |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 8:41:13 PM EDT
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.243 Winchester
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/27/2022 7:43:24 AM EDT
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If you want something interesting, setup a 308 for loading 208-212s running 2500FPS or so - Take a look at the ballistics.
I am very content shooting 223, 6, and 6.5 creedmoor though. |
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Posted: 4/30/2022 9:55:00 PM EDT
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22 Creed with 88 or 90g bullets at 3400fps..
Laser beam! |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 2:33:12 PM EDT
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7mm SAW or 6mm GT. Except nothing less.
 In all seriousness, another vote for rebarreling the origin to a 223 bolt face. Hell can do a 6x45 if you are feeling wild. |
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FM, USA
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Posted: 6/7/2022 6:16:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xtreme762: 22 Creed with 88 or 90g bullets at 3400fps.. Laser beam! Yep....for about 1200rds, lol. If 600 yds is it and you are set on a 308 boltface, 6br is neat. If you don't want to branch out on reloading different calibers than what you've got, a 308 makes sense. Tons of powder options available now, good selection of bullets. I've got a 6creed, 2 6.5creed, 6.5prc, 223 7tw, and a 308, there's 3 6.5creed barrel, 1 6creed barrel, and 1 6.5prc barrel in the closet. I find I'm shooting 223 at 800 and in and my 308 for 1100 and in, more these days. It's not because I think they're better, but they make you work for the wind calls and stay on your toes. Having alot powder options available for those calibers is icing on the cake. |
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