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Posted: 3/7/2022 1:25:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jlgil73]
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Here is a list that of these that I will update as new products come out, or people let me know about them.
Christensen Arms MPP Q Mini Fix Bergara Sidekick JTAC Elf Owl Black Collar Arms Pork Sword ( kits for now I believe) Savage 110 PCS Remington CP Gear Head Works One (current production schedule unclear) B&T 300 SPR (discontinued) |
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Posted: 3/7/2022 9:58:36 PM EDT
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that christensen arms pistol is awesome , i want one in 300 blk now
 here's my contribution to the thread. it's a homebrew built around a remington 700 action with a 13.5" mcgowen barrel in 308 with a 1in10 twist i will be loading mostly subs for it but will also see how it does out to 500 with supers also  |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 12:26:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1iviper: that christensen arms pistol is awesome , i want one in 300 blk now here's my contribution to the thread. it's a homebrew built around a remington 700 action with a 13.5" mcgowen barrel in 308 with a 1in10 twist i will be loading mostly subs for it but will also see how it does out to 500 with supers also https://i.postimg.cc/1XGhbTkD/20211226_161835.jpg That's an awesome rig. Love short 308's. |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 1:46:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: west2746]
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Gearhead works “one”
Not sure if still in production or not. |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 2:57:41 AM EDT
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Does a gas-less side-charging AR count as a boot action?
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Posted: 3/9/2022 3:09:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: Does a gas-less side-charging AR count as a boot action? I'd have to say unfortunately not... |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 9:51:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: Does a gas-less side-charging AR count as a boot action? I vote yes. It’s basically a spring assisted straight pull bolt action |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 1:15:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rex_Allen: I vote yes. It's basically a spring assisted straight pull bolt action Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rex_Allen: Originally Posted By Millennial: Does a gas-less side-charging AR count as a boot action? I vote yes. It's basically a spring assisted straight pull bolt action 
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Posted: 3/9/2022 1:30:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1iviper: that christensen arms pistol is awesome , i want one in 300 blk now here's my contribution to the thread. it's a homebrew built around a remington 700 action with a 13.5" mcgowen barrel in 308 with a 1in10 twist i will be loading mostly subs for it but will also see how it does out to 500 with supers also https://i.postimg.cc/1XGhbTkD/20211226_161835.jpg What chassis setup is that? I must have this gun! I have a 16.5" 308 but these little micro bolt actions like the OP's have always intrigued me. Maybe something I can shoot subsonic 308 out of? Brownells had short action actions in stock last week. |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 2:45:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: What chassis setup is that? I must have this gun! I have a 16.5" 308 but these little micro bolt actions like the OP's have always intrigued me. Maybe something I can shoot subsonic 308 out of? Brownells had short action actions in stock last week. It is the Q SideChick chassis... |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 5:31:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jlgil73: It is the Q SideChick chassis... Ok, I'll have to use indian creek design or another cheaper option haha. |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 6:32:54 PM EDT
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Just picked up a Uintah bolt action upper in .300Blk for my SBR. Doesn't look very short set up like this, but it's a 10.5" barrel.
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Posted: 3/10/2022 4:11:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: Ok, I'll have to use indian creek design or another cheaper option haha. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: Originally Posted By Jlgil73: It is the Q SideChick chassis... Ok, I'll have to use indian creek design or another cheaper option haha. there are alot of decent chassis out there to build on , i almost picked up a yankee hill mark chassis but kind of fell into the sidechick |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 7:14:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Millennial]
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Originally Posted By Rex_Allen: I vote yes. It’s basically a spring assisted straight pull bolt action Originally Posted By 1iviper: i'd say yes also , just to be able to see that bad boy Ok... 300 blackout; 7” barrel SBR Lower BCA side charging upper no gas tube for extra quietness Q Full Nelson Sig Bravo 5 Prism Scope Federal AE 220gr SMK Popper/Gong @ 210 yards 35MOA of drop - LOL 210 yard gong; no fancy rest or bipod or bags... To really get a sense of it, note the volume of the crickets and the gong that’s 200+ yards away. It’s no shit as quiet as my integral 22LR. It’s the quietest gun I’ve ever heard. Once we figured out the drop (had to hold 5+ MOA under the bottom of the reticle - LOL) we were hitting like 50% at 200yds. It shoots about 1” at 50yds with AE 220’s and Remington 220‘s and S&B 200’s ... I think it’s going about 930 FPS based on the drops. The Bravo 3 and Bravo 5 prism optics are really cool for blackout, too. Dual BDC tree that lets you (theoretically/ideally) zero 110 supers at 100yd with drops to 600yd and then has a second set of drops points for subs from 50 to 200 yards. I don’t shoot any supers through this, but the drops do agree with my ballistics app if I did... I guess it depends on if you get lucky with a rifle that doesn’t throw supers or subs with a lot of left/right offset. And the optics themselves are sharp, incredibly flat edge to edge, nuclear daylight bright center, and the FOV kicks even ACOGs ass; at it’s got more FOV than 3x/3.5x/4x ACOGs... |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:30:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jlgil73: This build is coming together nicely. I finally got an optic for her and changed the muzzle devise so I could run my Elite Iron suppressor on her. I also threw on a GG&G Bipod. This gun as purchased only weighs a claimed 4.4 lbs so I wanted to keep her as light as possible. I chose the Leupold Mk3 HD 4-12x40. I picked it up used, it came with the Seekins low rings. I will likely need to get higher rings so I can move the optic forward for better eye relief due to the short LOP. Right now the magnification ring touches if it is any more forward. If she turns out to be reliable, I will probably SBR her and pick up a LW direct thread titanium can. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51949170943_87f23c07bd_k.jpg" target="_blank">https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51949170943_87f23c07bd_k.jpg  you know she's going to be a great shooter , might as well get the paperwork started if you got a lemon from christensen arms i'd be surprised |
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Posted: 3/21/2022 9:31:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: Ok... 300 blackout; 7" barrel SBR Lower BCA side charging upper no gas tube for extra quietness Q Full Nelson Sig Bravo 5 Prism Scope Federal AE 220gr SMK Popper/Gong @ 210 yards 35MOA of drop - LOL 210 yard gong; no fancy rest or bipod or bags...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3fnG5Uv4z4To really get a sense of it, note the volume of the crickets and the gong that's 200+ yards away. It's no shit as quiet as my integral 22LR. It's the quietest gun I've ever heard. Once we figured out the drop (had to hold 5+ MOA under the bottom of the reticle - LOL) we were hitting like 50% at 200yds. It shoots about 1" at 50yds with AE 220's and Remington 220's and S&B 200's ... I think it's going about 930 FPS based on the drops. The Bravo 3 and Bravo 5 prism optics are really cool for blackout, too. Dual BDC tree that lets you (theoretically/ideally) zero 110 supers at 100yd with drops to 600yd and then has a second set of drops points for subs from 50 to 200 yards. I don't shoot any supers through this, but the drops do agree with my ballistics app if I did... I guess it depends on if you get lucky with a rifle that doesn't throw supers or subs with a lot of left/right offset. And the optics themselves are sharp, incredibly flat edge to edge, nuclear daylight bright center, and the FOV kicks even ACOGs ass; at it's got more FOV than 3x/3.5x/4x ACOGs... |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 12:10:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Clint50]
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My Christensen Arms MPP, optic, mount, and suppressor not shown
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Posted: 3/22/2022 3:22:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jlgil73: This build is coming together nicely. I finally got an optic for her and changed the muzzle devise so I could run my Elite Iron suppressor on her. I also threw on a GG&G Bipod. This gun as purchased only weighs a claimed 4.4 lbs so I wanted to keep her as light as possible. I chose the Leupold Mk3 HD 4-12x40. I picked it up used, it came with the Seekins low rings. I will likely need to get higher rings so I can move the optic forward for better eye relief due to the short LOP. Right now the magnification ring touches if it is any more forward. If she turns out to be reliable, I will probably SBR her and pick up a LW direct thread titanium can. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51949170943_87f23c07bd_k.jpg That MPP looks killer, outfitted like that. Nice to finally see one, ready to go. |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 5:33:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clint50: That MPP looks killer, outfitted like that. Nice to finally see one, ready to go. Thanks. I haven't found any pics anywhere of another one done up either... |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 8:46:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jlgil73: Thanks. I haven't found any pics anywhere of another one done up either... These MPP's are sweet little weapons. |
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Posted: 3/26/2022 10:38:23 PM EDT
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No one else have one of these type pistols?
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Posted: 3/28/2022 1:41:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clint50: No one else have one of these type pistols? Im sure there are, but they probably just are not seeing this thread... |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 9:16:25 AM EDT
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I just found this Thread by chance and i am absolutely in Love
 Are there any other manufactureres that build guns like that, maybe at a little less than the 2.4k for the CA ? |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 9:30:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Baq: I just found this Thread by chance and i am absolutely in Love Are there any other manufactureres that build guns like that, maybe at a little less than the 2.4k for the CA ? The second post has the ones I'm aware of. Remington, savage, and bergara all make them. |
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Posted: 4/1/2022 12:42:49 PM EDT
[#26]
Love that Carbon Fiber...
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Posted: 4/10/2022 7:50:58 PM EDT
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Just stuck my Steiner P4Xi and Warne QD mount on my MPP today, for grins.
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Posted: 4/10/2022 9:11:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Clint50: Just stuck my Steiner P4Xi and Warne QD mount on my MPP today, for grins. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52988/MPP-14_JPG-2344816.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/52988/MPP-15_JPG-2344817.JPG Want. What's the barrel length on that? |
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Posted: 4/10/2022 11:07:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Clint50]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA452: Want. What's the barrel length on that? 7.5" barrel with 1/5 twist |
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Posted: 4/16/2022 12:55:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Clint50]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jlgil73: Made a couple small changes. I changed the grip to a MK Machine Precision Vertical Crossover Grip (same as Driven Arms Co grip) I also changed to a higher ring to move the scope forward a bit. The lower Seekens Rings that I had would not clear the magnifier ring on the rail. So these NF came up on the EE. Also have it in the LRA Bi-Pod to keep the carbon fiber theme. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52003889307_3aabe610e4_k.jpg Really like that new bipod but those are probably too rich for my blood, price-wise. I'll probably go with either a Magpul or Atlas, for my MPP. That grip is a cool piece, too. I've got a Fortis Mfg Torque carbon fiber pistol grip, on order. |
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Posted: 5/2/2022 1:39:59 PM EDT
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Had the MPP out yesterday...
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Posted: 5/2/2022 1:50:40 PM EDT
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Taggage
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Posted: 5/2/2022 2:11:53 PM EDT
[#34]
I love these guns and really wanted one. However, I have not yet been able to come up with a use that isn't already covered by something else I own.
Small rifle caliber? Rattler. Small PCC? Flux Glock. Cheap quiet plinking? savage 22 with cans and sub. the spy/assassin movie fan in me loves them, but for the life of me I can't figure out why I "need" one. As soon as I come up with a reason though I'll get one. Seems like it would make an amazing hunting rifle in places that are either no semi-auto or have a different pistol and rifle season. But I don't hunt 
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Posted: 5/2/2022 4:08:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steviesterno16: I love these guns and really wanted one. However, I have not yet been able to come up with a use that isn't already covered by something else I own. Small rifle caliber? Rattler. Small PCC? Flux Glock. Cheap quiet plinking? savage 22 with cans and sub. the spy/assassin movie fan in me loves them, but for the life of me I can't figure out why I "need" one. As soon as I come up with a reason though I'll get one. Seems like it would make an amazing hunting rifle in places that are either no semi-auto or have a different pistol and rifle season. But I don't hunt Since when is gun ownership about "need"?? BTW, Unique, cool, fun, "want" have always been good enough reasons for me... However, If you are looking for a reason, Alabama Aresnal's Youtube page has a q Mini Fix in 300BLK making hits at 1k yards with subs. That's why I "need" this. To try and do that! 
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Posted: 5/2/2022 9:20:57 PM EDT
[#36]
 Attached FileI just wrapped this goofy SOB up, and I love it. 285 grain subsonics are hilarious. I got them down to under 700 FPS before they no longer stabilize. Going to try some 185 Lapua open tips for supers, see how that goes. It has a Harris mounted to a 7" MDT Arca rail, but it didn't balance nicely for the picture  |
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Posted: 5/2/2022 10:57:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiteDingo: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65278/IMG_20220429_115400676_HDR_jpg-2370307.JPG I just wrapped this goofy SOB up, and I love it. 285 grain subsonics are hilarious. I got them down to under 700 FPS before they no longer stabilize. Going to try some 185 Lapua open tips for supers, see how that goes. It has a Harris mounted to a 7" MDT Arca rail, but it didn't balance nicely for the picture What's the caliber? Which 285 you using? |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 1:43:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiteDingo: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65278/IMG_20220429_115400676_HDR_jpg-2370307.JPG I just wrapped this goofy SOB up, and I love it. 285 grain subsonics are hilarious. I got them down to under 700 FPS before they no longer stabilize. Going to try some 185 Lapua open tips for supers, see how that goes. It has a Harris mounted to a 7" MDT Arca rail, but it didn't balance nicely for the picture I love it! We NEED details! |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 7:42:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: What's the caliber? Which 285 you using? It's chambered in 9x39 Russian with the PT&G reamer and Green Mountain barrel blank. The 17.5" blank was chopped squarely in half, finished barrel length is about 8.5" I didn't feel like offsetting the tailstock and turning a taper contour, so I turned the barrel down to 1.165" (just under receiver diameter) and cut a big 'ole 4 pitch ball thread to shed some weight. Reminds me of the Type 99 or DSHK barrels. Threaded for my Rex MG7K with 9mm bore. Initial test firing was done with Norma Oryx bonded soft points, but I have some Hornady 250GMX and Nosler 286gr flat point solids to try as well. It's been a super easy cartridge to fire form. Just neck up, load to the lands, and shoot. The 7.62 case has more body taper than the 9x39, so there's not really a shoulder when you resize.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 9:21:42 AM EDT
[#40]
Cool deal. That caliber intrigues me and when the Wolf started coming in I looked into it a bit but it got hosed by Covid shortages like so many others. I hope we see more domestic options. Any weirdness getting it to feed?
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Posted: 5/3/2022 10:12:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Cool deal. That caliber intrigues me and when the Wolf started coming in I looked into it a bit but it got hosed by Covid shortages like so many others. I hope we see more domestic options. Any weirdness getting it to feed? No issues out of the Howa 7.62/Grendel magazines, but they're only 5 rounds. I'm definitely bummed about the lack of imported ammo. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 1:15:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiteDingo: It's chambered in 9x39 Russian with the PT&G reamer and Green Mountain barrel blank. The 17.5" blank was chopped squarely in half, finished barrel length is about 8.5" I didn't feel like offsetting the tailstock and turning a taper contour, so I turned the barrel down to 1.165" (just under receiver diameter) and cut a big 'ole 4 pitch ball thread to shed some weight. Reminds me of the Type 99 or DSHK barrels. Threaded for my Rex MG7K with 9mm bore. Initial test firing was done with Norma Oryx bonded soft points, but I have some Hornady 250GMX and Nosler 286gr flat point solids to try as well. It's been a super easy cartridge to fire form. Just neck up, load to the lands, and shoot. The 7.62 case has more body taper than the 9x39, so there's not really a shoulder when you resize. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65278/IMG_20220427_202524061_2_jpg-2370642.JPG That is so cool and unique. Very fitting for this thread! |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 6:24:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: Does a gas-less side-charging AR count as a boot action? It’s had a bolt and you have to manually operate the action so why not. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 6:27:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiteDingo: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/65278/IMG_20220429_115400676_HDR_jpg-2370307.JPG I just wrapped this goofy SOB up, and I love it. 285 grain subsonics are hilarious. I got them down to under 700 FPS before they no longer stabilize. Going to try some 185 Lapua open tips for supers, see how that goes. It has a Harris mounted to a 7" MDT Arca rail, but it didn't balance nicely for the picture
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Posted: 5/3/2022 6:45:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mc556]
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Has anyone necked up a 6.5 Creedmoor case to .338?
I know about the .338 federal but hear me out. I have a ton of 6.5 brass and just because it doesn’t make sense to do doesn’t mean its not fun just to do it. I have a virgin bighorn origin action and a older XLR chassis that has the old modular tube setup. I’m a shouldered prefit away from a diy pistol. Necking up the 6.5C just seems like something that would upset the Fudds. .338 Manbun Thumper Seriously doing a .338 federal as a subsonic pistol has crossed my mind. 300 grain SMK would have decent reach I’d think. .750 BC under 1800 fps is what’s advertised Edit Looks like the 8.6 Creedmoor is already a thing. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 8:14:32 PM EDT
[#46]
Yup the new 8.6 Blackout is pretty close. It’s not just a neck up though I’m pretty sure it’s shortened a bit to allow those long ass 338 bullets
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Posted: 5/3/2022 9:07:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Yup the new 8.6 Blackout is pretty close. It’s not just a neck up though I’m pretty sure it’s shortened a bit to allow those long ass 338 bullets The 8.6 blackout was going to be called 8.6 creedmoor. What started with me being sarcastic may actually be a cool pistol round. I didn’t get around to mentioning it, but what I’d really like is a 9mm bolt action pistol with a length appropriate action. I’m not sure how much demand there would be. It would be a very cool suppressor host with 147 subs. The draw would be cheap to shoot especially if reloading. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 9:38:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mc556: The 8.6 blackout was going to be called 8.6 creedmoor. What started with me being sarcastic may actually be a cool pistol round. I didn’t get around to mentioning it, but what I’d really like is a 9mm bolt action pistol with a length appropriate action. I’m not sure how much demand there would be. It would be a very cool suppressor host with 147 subs. The draw would be cheap to shoot especially if reloading. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mc556: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Yup the new 8.6 Blackout is pretty close. It’s not just a neck up though I’m pretty sure it’s shortened a bit to allow those long ass 338 bullets The 8.6 blackout was going to be called 8.6 creedmoor. What started with me being sarcastic may actually be a cool pistol round. I didn’t get around to mentioning it, but what I’d really like is a 9mm bolt action pistol with a length appropriate action. I’m not sure how much demand there would be. It would be a very cool suppressor host with 147 subs. The draw would be cheap to shoot especially if reloading. There was a thread on Snipershide with some 9mm bolt action pre order but I think it was a 700 based action which didn't make any sense to me. I totally agree that a dedicated 9mm sized or just pistol caliber sized action would be pretty cool. Something like a toggle or straight pull with high cap mags would be fantastic. Couple people have converted the Armscor/RIA 22 TCM bolt actions to 9mm with some success. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 9:40:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mc556: The 8.6 blackout was going to be called 8.6 creedmoor. What started with me being sarcastic may actually be a cool pistol round. I didn’t get around to mentioning it, but what I’d really like is a 9mm bolt action pistol with a length appropriate action. I’m not sure how much demand there would be. It would be a very cool suppressor host with 147 subs. The draw would be cheap to shoot especially if reloading. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mc556: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Yup the new 8.6 Blackout is pretty close. It’s not just a neck up though I’m pretty sure it’s shortened a bit to allow those long ass 338 bullets The 8.6 blackout was going to be called 8.6 creedmoor. What started with me being sarcastic may actually be a cool pistol round. I didn’t get around to mentioning it, but what I’d really like is a 9mm bolt action pistol with a length appropriate action. I’m not sure how much demand there would be. It would be a very cool suppressor host with 147 subs. The draw would be cheap to shoot especially if reloading. There was a thread on Snipershide with some 9mm bolt action pre order but I think it was a 700 based action which didn't make any sense to me. I totally agree that a dedicated 9mm sized or just pistol caliber sized action would be pretty cool. Something like a toggle or straight pull with high cap mags would be fantastic. I think the reason we don't see them is most prefer a semi auto. Couple people have converted the Armscor/RIA 22 TCM bolt actions to 9mm with some success. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 9:41:02 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mc556: The 8.6 blackout was going to be called 8.6 creedmoor. What started with me being sarcastic may actually be a cool pistol round. I didn’t get around to mentioning it, but what I’d really like is a 9mm bolt action pistol with a length appropriate action. I’m not sure how much demand there would be. It would be a very cool suppressor host with 147 subs. The draw would be cheap to shoot especially if reloading. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mc556: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Yup the new 8.6 Blackout is pretty close. It’s not just a neck up though I’m pretty sure it’s shortened a bit to allow those long ass 338 bullets The 8.6 blackout was going to be called 8.6 creedmoor. What started with me being sarcastic may actually be a cool pistol round. I didn’t get around to mentioning it, but what I’d really like is a 9mm bolt action pistol with a length appropriate action. I’m not sure how much demand there would be. It would be a very cool suppressor host with 147 subs. The draw would be cheap to shoot especially if reloading. There was a thread on Snipershide with some 9mm bolt action pre order but I think it was a 700 based action which didn't make any sense to me. I totally agree that a dedicated 9mm sized or just pistol caliber sized action would be pretty cool. Something like a toggle or straight pull with high cap mags would be fantastic. I think the reason we don't see them is most prefer a semi auto. Couple people have converted the Armscor/RIA 22 TCM bolt actions to 9mm with some success. |
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