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Posted: 6/15/2021 7:18:42 PM EDT
I have a Remington 700 Police 26" I'm thinking about sending it to ADCO to have it cut and tread for suppressor, (Surefire RC2 in 7.62)
Not sure on what length I should have it cut, or if I should. I was thinking 24" like the M24. would like to hear your opinion.. Thanks in advance.. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/15/2021 7:35:53 PM EDT
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Sell it and get a nice chasi rifle unless it's already a custom then it depends what can and purpose. I'd not let it overall get longer than 24"
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Posted: 6/15/2021 7:38:58 PM EDT
[#2]
I had mine cut, by a local gunsmith, to 18”. It’s about 200 FPS slower with 168 FGMM and 2 MOA lower at 500 yards. With the can, it’s about the same length as the stock setup. Without the can, it’s very handy.
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Posted: 6/15/2021 7:59:00 PM EDT
[#3]
I cut my 700P at 20"
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Posted: 6/15/2021 8:25:39 PM EDT
[#4]
Send it to Masterpiece Arms for their Evolution rebuilds.
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Posted: 6/15/2021 8:31:12 PM EDT
[#5]
16” suits me.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 6/15/2021 8:32:59 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: 16” suits me. Mines 16”, black, and the perfect size with my Omega30. |
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Posted: 6/15/2021 8:43:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cone256: Send it to Masterpiece Arms for their Evolution rebuilds. That will be $2,300.00 don't want to spend that much.. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/15/2021 9:49:45 PM EDT
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Do you know the round count on the barrel? Is it worth recutting the chamber and renewing/redoing the throat? If you reload you might want a longer or shorter throat/freebore. If the action hasn't been trued, it might be worth considering... If you plan to shoot longish range stuff, you'll appreciate the better performance of a 24" (as opposed to a shorter) barrel.
Food for thought... |
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Posted: 6/15/2021 11:16:11 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Reorx: Do you know the round count on the barrel? Is it worth recutting the chamber and renewing/redoing the throat? If you reload you might want a longer or shorter throat/freebore. If the action hasn't been trued, it might be worth considering... If you plan to shoot longish range stuff, you'll appreciate the better performance of a 24" (as opposed to a shorter) barrel. Food for thought... I bought this rifle here about 10 years ago, I was told the round count was under 50, I personally only fired 20, so I believe this barrel still brand new. Steve (adco) is telling me 22" is his favorite but so far he didn't elaborate on why. I was thinking 24" because of the M24, good enough for the military, good enough for me mentality.. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2021 12:04:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiamiSniper: ...I was thinking 24" because of the M24, good enough for the military, good enough for me...  |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/16/2021 12:48:53 AM EDT
[#11]
24" with a can is a bit much... 22" is plenty for 308. If you are that worried about velocity, get a 300 win mag.
If I remember right, its a 1:12 twist. People seem to like a faster twist these days for heavier projectiles. Something you might want to think about. Is this the model with the removable mag? I had issues with mine feeding. Mine wasn't especially accurate either. You might want to take it out and shoot it a bit to see if its worth messing with. There are so many nice precision rifles for sale these days. The only really special thing about the Police model was the stock. |
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Posted: 6/16/2021 7:33:24 AM EDT
[#12]
You dont really give up much with a shorter barrel, and when using a suppressor you dont want it too long.
https://rifleshooter.com/2014/12/308-winchester-7-62x51mm-nato-barrel-length-versus-velocity-28-to-16-5/ |
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Posted: 6/16/2021 3:20:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rob01]
[#13]
How far you plan to shoot it?
I would say 20-22” is a good area. I have had my 20” to 1000 but it’s also a custom barrel with an 11 twist. If you don’t plan to shoot much past 500-800 then just go 20”. And I would take any of those Rifleshooter tests with a grain of salt after their Creedmoor test. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 2:06:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: How far you plan to shoot it? I would say 20-22” is a good area. I have had my 20” to 1000 but it’s also a custom barrel with an 11 twist. If you don’t plan to shoot much past 500-800 then just go 20”. And I would take any of those Rifleshooter tests with a grain of salt after their Creedmoor test. Yes, Steve also told me 22, his reasoning was, “you need 20" to be supersonic at 1000yds, and the 2 more inches is a bonus.” I will do more shooting as is to make sure this rifle is worth the upgrades. |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 8:50:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: And I would take any of those Rifleshooter tests with a grain of salt after their Creedmoor test. What was wrong with their test ? 6cm or 6.5cm ? |
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Posted: 6/17/2021 8:55:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hapjack: What was wrong with their test ? 6cm or 6.5cm ? Their 6.5 Creed test was flawed. They said the Creedmoor loses velocity after 26". That's BS. Even the tester said something about using a new barrel and it speeding up as it was cut. They put out bad info in one test then it makes others suspect. |
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Posted: 6/18/2021 12:38:17 PM EDT
[#17]
I had the same rifle, first cut was to 22", then when I needed it threaded for an AE30 ADCO cut it to 20", threaded and machined a shoulder for the AE30.
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Posted: 6/18/2021 12:47:08 PM EDT
[#18]
I don’t get long barreled 308s. You’re buying your own ammo not ordering through supply…if you want a longer range you should have a caliber better suited for that.
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AK, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2021 1:23:16 PM EDT
[#19]
20".
I have a 16.5, 20, 24. I think 20 is great for a utility rifle. |
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Posted: 6/18/2021 1:38:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wildearp]
[#20]
The LTR is 20". Mine worked very well.
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Posted: 6/18/2021 2:07:29 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I don’t get long barreled 308s. You’re buying your own ammo not ordering through supply…if you want a longer range you should have a caliber better suited for that. Well sometimes that is not an option. Depending on the sport or division you need to use certain calibers. My .308 PRS Tac division rifle has a 26” barrel. Hits out to 1200 and then some just fine. |
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Posted: 6/18/2021 5:26:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Well sometimes that is not an option. Depending on the sport or division you need to use certain calibers. My .308 PRS Tac division rifle has a 26” barrel. Hits out to 1200 and then some just fine. I should have put a Special Olympics exception in there. |
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Posted: 6/18/2021 7:34:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I should have put a Special Olympics exception in there. Well I guess if you consider those divisions and sports like FClass special Olympics I guess you should have. But still plenty of uses with a longer barreled .308. |
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Posted: 6/18/2021 7:44:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I should have put a Special Olympics exception in there. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By Rob01: Well sometimes that is not an option. Depending on the sport or division you need to use certain calibers. My .308 PRS Tac division rifle has a 26” barrel. Hits out to 1200 and then some just fine. I should have put a Special Olympics exception in there.  Funny guy! |
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Posted: 6/18/2021 7:46:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Well I guess if you consider those divisions and sports like FClass special Olympics I guess you should have. But still plenty of uses with a longer barreled .308. A handicap is a handicap. |
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Posted: 6/18/2021 7:56:16 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: A handicap is a handicap. The handicap comes from the shooter. Not the rifle. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2021 8:12:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: John-in-austin]
[#27]
Everybody cuts these things sooner or later, (Same with the Savage 12FV's) I'm quite happy when it was trimmed to 20".
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Posted: 6/18/2021 8:32:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: The handicap comes from the shooter. Not the rifle. I get what you’re saying but I note the classes are organized by equipment and not shooter category. |
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Posted: 6/19/2021 9:51:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: The handicap comes from the shooter. Not the rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: A handicap is a handicap. The handicap comes from the shooter. Not the rifle. Pay no mind to this guy. He wasn’t around when we were taking the .308 past 800 yards with the 190gr bullets.  FX Hybrid Slugs | 22 Grains | .22 Caliber | 100, 200, & 300 Yard Ballistic Testing There’s an air rifle going to 300 yards. |
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Posted: 6/19/2021 10:47:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparkyD: Pay no mind to this guy. He wasn’t around when we were taking the .308 past 800 yards with the 190gr bullets.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C3dhqUEVeoThere’s an air rifle going to 300 yards. I wasn’t? Lol ok. |
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Posted: 6/19/2021 11:01:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: sgtlmj]
[#31]
I knew the guy who helped develop the LTR. He said they went with 20" as it was a sweet spot. .308 168g could still get to 1,000 with that length bbl and not go subsonic.
Not a PSS, but I had my M40A1 chopped from 26" to 20" by George at GAP. 
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Posted: 6/19/2021 4:52:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MiamiSniper]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgtlmj: I knew the guy who helped develop the LTR. He said they went with 20" as it was a sweet spot. .308 168g could still get to 1,000 with that length bbl and not go subsonic. Not a PSS, but I had my M40A1 chopped from 26" to 20" by George at GAP. https://i.ibb.co/x56WKrZ/IMG-1515.jpg I was under the impression all M40’s were originally at 24”. Did you noticed any difference after the cut job? |
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Posted: 6/19/2021 5:17:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiamiSniper: I was under the impression all M40’s were originally at 24”. Did you noticed any difference after the cut job? When you build the rifle yourself as a “spec” rifle you can do whatever you want with the barrel. That barrel is not the same as a factory Remington barrel. Done right and no issues with the barrel, cutting it won’t hurt accuracy but just change velocity. |
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Posted: 6/19/2021 6:07:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MiamiSniper: I was under the impression all M40’s were originally at 24”. Did you noticed any difference after the cut job? It’s a Hart stainless bbl and it was built by TBA back in ‘98. No diff in accuracy. MV went down maybe 150 FPS, but it was always a fast tube. Much handier to drag around in the ginky weeds. I carried it for 7 years as a LE sniper. |
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:56:40 PM EDT
[#35]
got it, thanks
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Posted: 6/21/2021 3:57:11 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sgtlmj: I knew the guy who helped develop the LTR. He said they went with 20" as it was a sweet spot. .308 168g could still get to 1,000 with that length bbl and not go subsonic. Not a PSS, but I had my M40A1 chopped from 26" to 20" by George at GAP. https://i.ibb.co/x56WKrZ/IMG-1515.jpg It looks bad ass |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 12:04:04 AM EDT
[#37]
Leave it alone.....
Send the bolt off to have an extended tactical knob installed if it doesn't already have one. A better trigger and stock bedding rounds out the rifle. I prefer longer barrels on bolt action rifles. 26" is a very good length for longer ranges. I have several 24" to 27.5" .308 rifles. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 12:10:31 AM EDT
[#38]
I had Steve Thompson (ADCO Firearms) thread several barreled actions and one Savage barrel I removed (26") and didn't have him shorten any of them.
He does excellent work and has amazing turnaround times. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 12:37:19 AM EDT
[#39]
I guess you are right, I already ordered a triggertech and had the bolt knob extension done last month.
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Posted: 7/12/2021 12:38:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: I had Steve Thompson (ADCO Firearms) thread several barreled actions and one Savage barrel I removed (26") and didn't have him shorten any of them. He does excellent work and has amazing turnaround times. Steve does all my work, very good and very fast... |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 12:41:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: The handicap comes from the shooter. Not the rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: A handicap is a handicap. The handicap comes from the shooter. Not the rifle. I think his point is the same one I’ve made before which is that if those divisions didn’t exist not many people would be shooting 308. Rarely is it ever competitive when shot against modern purpose designed rounds. We love our history and the 308 will still be kicking when I’m dead but if we had a magic button to start from scratch I don’t think we’d end up there. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 11:21:24 AM EDT
[#42]
I'm not sure about that. .308 is inherently accurate and easy on barrels, that goes a long way when fielding an Army. It is a very capable round inside 800 meters which represents 97% of all engagements.
If you can see your adversary you can't harm him. We have several other sniping calibers available for longer ranges, 7.62x51mm is still viable and worthy of consideration by everyone. The last thing the military wants is a cartridge that burns through barrels, fouls easily or is hard to tune. Bullet construction is also a consideration. I doubt .308 will be dethroned any time soon. |
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Posted: 7/12/2021 11:33:07 AM EDT
[#43]
I cut my 700P .308 to 24" and threaded it.... and used it for many years and ~5000 rounds before having it rebuilt into a custom 6.5CM.
I still have a 700 Milspec 24" and its just too heavy with a can. But it largely depends on what you want to do with it. Do you need every bit of velocity to get you out as far as possible? Are you handloading and pressing 1000yds often? With only 20 rounds fired over 10 years, what do you think is going to change that you will get more use out of it now? Personally, I'd chop it to 20" for a general purpose suppressed rifle. |
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Posted: 7/13/2021 9:33:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By borderpatrol: I'm not sure about that. .308 is inherently accurate and easy on barrels, that goes a long way when fielding an Army. It is a very capable round inside 800 meters which represents 97% of all engagements. If you can see your adversary you can't harm him. We have several other sniping calibers available for longer ranges, 7.62x51mm is still viable and worthy of consideration by everyone. The last thing the military wants is a cartridge that burns through barrels, fouls easily or is hard to tune. Bullet construction is also a consideration. I doubt .308 will be dethroned any time soon. I was watching a Military evaluation film on YouTube last night where some soldiers were testing the Elcan sight on mag 58’s. They were getting some surprising accuracy with single round loaded aimed fire. I still have a soft spot for the .308 win. |
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