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Posted: 5/3/2019 3:40:01 PM EDT
Went ahead and put an order in. 153gr 6.5.
From what little's out there, you won't be chasing lands with this projectile due to how far back the ogive is. I have to assume it'll be similar to seating a Berger Hybrid. My only concern is whether a 1/8 twist will be fast enough for a projectile this long. If not, there'll be a box of 97 or so in the EE pretty cheap. I don't like being a beta tester, but it was only $80/shipped so what the hell. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2019 4:22:42 PM EDT
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I saw that price
They appeal to me deeply, but I too wonder if they have speedy twist requirements, or high velocity required to keep stable. I poked around but didn’t see- did Hornady maybe develop these for the 6.5 PRC and up types of cartridges? If they perform terminally the way I expect, I’ll buy a bunch. Those coefficient numbers are nuts! Post your AAR for us. Send a few to the wound channel to test in gel, too. |
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Posted: 5/3/2019 5:18:39 PM EDT
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Damn, yeah I didn't even consider the PRC when I hit "buy".
If I can get them up to 2800, that should be enough. Or not. Gonna start with 4350 and see if they stabilize. If not, I'll throw some RL16 under them and try to get them moving quicker. Based on the bullet shape, even the 150s ought to leave plenty of case capacity. Or not. And then they'll be in the EE section. FWIW, I don't know why I do this. The 140 hybrids at 2850 are more than enough accurate at distance (1k-1200). |
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Posted: 5/3/2019 6:33:52 PM EDT
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I want to try them in the 30 cal offerings...but useless to me until I see on animal reports come thru...I already load the 230 Berger target hybrid @3220, which works great on animals.. Be nice if these did work good...would give me at least another 100 yards before going subsonic...
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Posted: 5/3/2019 8:02:00 PM EDT
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I don't intend to try them. Neither myself or my rifle can shoot good enough to take advantage of the benefits(?).
My little Tikka CTR maintains 1 moa all the way to 1k yards with the 147ELD-M's. I don't have a way to measure beyond the 1k distance, but I'm happy with the accuracy out to 1500 yards. What is there to gain, for me? I don't hunt with the Tikka, so I have no interest in terminal ballistics in Bambi. Cool looking bullet though. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2019 9:15:48 PM EDT
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Am I interested in them....yes.
Am I gonna buy them right away.... nope. I'll let someone else who's got the cash to c if they r worth the cost of admission over smk/eld |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2019 10:26:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: robpiat]
[#6]
No glory in being an early adopter. I’ll let it simmer awhile and see how they fare.
I’m not opposed to the price if they are somehow exceptional. I think it’ll be meh for most folks though. I’m more about finding tolerant , consistent Barrels and loads vs the perfect fussy load. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 6:56:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: rob78]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By azmp5:
Am I interested in them....yes. Am I gonna buy them right away.... nope. I'll let someone else who's got the cash to c if they r worth the cost of admission over smk/eld For me, it'll be tough to unseat the 140 target hybrid. My range only goes out to 1200. I can get further out (1400), but the owner has to allow it. Anything further (1500+) and I have to use my farming buddy's land and they're planting right now. I'm thinking that if these shine, it'll be in the distances where my standard load starts running out of steam. |
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Posted: 5/4/2019 10:40:16 AM EDT
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I’ll tinker with them just for fun if they ever go on sale.
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Posted: 5/4/2019 10:50:15 PM EDT
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If you're shooting these in a 6.5 CM, .260, or 6.5x47L, I'd only be using RL26 or RL17. I don't think you'll get enough velocity to consistently stabilize in a 1:8 twist without them.
I'd like to try them, but I'm scared they'd shoot well.
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Posted: 5/5/2019 6:30:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperDutyMikeMc:
If you're shooting these in a 6.5 CM, .260, or 6.5x47L, I'd only be using RL26 or RL17. I don't think you'll get enough velocity to consistently stabilize in a 1:8 twist without them. I'd like to try them, but I'm scared they'd shoot well. I'm assuming their shape roughly approximates the 140 hybrid target. I shoot them with 42.2gr of H4350 @ 2.89" COAL. That gets me ~2850fps. I won't try the 150SMK because the ogive is closer to the meplat and it eats up too much case space. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2019 9:16:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperDutyMikeMc:
If you're shooting these in a 6.5 CM, .260, or 6.5x47L, I'd only be using RL26 or RL17. |
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Posted: 5/5/2019 10:12:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SuperJlarge]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: I won't try the 150SMK because the ogive is closer to the meplat and it eats up too much case space. 142SMK Left, 150SMK Middle, 140 ELD-M Right 
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Posted: 5/5/2019 10:53:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperJlarge:
I run the 150’s at the same BTO as my 142’s for my 260. My accuracy load was only .1gr below what I run for my 142’s. It’s a long sleek bullet, and I’d consider the ogive to be far away from the meplat based on the overall bullet length. I doubt you’ll have to eat up case capacity. 142SMK Left, 150SMK Middle, 140 ELD-M Right https://i.imgur.com/LY4TDNY.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperJlarge:
Originally Posted By rob78: I won't try the 150SMK because the ogive is closer to the meplat and it eats up too much case space. 142SMK Left, 150SMK Middle, 140 ELD-M Right https://i.imgur.com/LY4TDNY.jpg |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 8:01:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rob78: I have to seat the 142smk at 2.81 OAL. Any longer and its in the lands. Conversely, the 140 hybrid is at 2.89 and the eldm at 2.86. |
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Posted: 5/6/2019 9:39:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperJlarge: What freebore are you running? I’m at .088fb and still have >15 thou jump when seated to 2.834. |
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SD, USA
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Posted: 5/7/2019 1:13:30 PM EDT
[#16]
Originally Posted By SuperDutyMikeMc:
If you're shooting these in a 6.5 CM, .260, or 6.5x47L, I'd only be using RL26 or RL17. I don't think you'll get enough velocity to consistently stabilize in a 1:8 twist without them. I'd like to try them, but I'm scared they'd shoot well. Several people successfully took game (antelope and deer that I'm aware of, 6 and 6.5mm variants) but that's not in the "designed for" bucket with these. I'd imagine they'll work similarly to most match bullets in that you'll get expansion and frag, but not necessarily pretty mushrooms or "controlled" expansion. Personally, I think the ELD-X line is much better suited for long(er) range hunting if that's your intent, and I'd trust it to perform more reliably than the A-tips, especially way out there. That's just my opinion, though. From all of the people that I've talked to that were initial testers, load dev was really easy with these, pretty forgiving. |
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Posted: 5/9/2019 12:05:55 AM EDT
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I'm going to try a box of the 250's for 300blk
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Posted: 6/22/2019 12:41:51 AM EDT
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I'm still waiting for Brownells to get them in stock so I can use my code and free shipping.
I really like the idea of them but it's going to come down to performance gain over the 147. |
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Posted: 6/22/2019 8:32:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
I'm still waiting for Brownells to get them in stock so I can use my code and free shipping. I really like the idea of them but it's going to come down to performance gain over the 147.
Yeah I ordered them thinking the mid-June ship date would be good to go. Still haven't received them yet. |
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Posted: 6/22/2019 3:54:54 PM EDT
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Locally all they have is the 6MM 110gr and 6.5MM 153gr.
They were told mid june for every thing but the heavy 30 cal! |
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Posted: 6/22/2019 6:10:54 PM EDT
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Wideners has the 135gr but shipping and tax makes me wait for a cheaper option
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Posted: 6/24/2019 2:07:28 PM EDT
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For that price I can not see how they can do any better than present loads I have already developed. No thanks...
They are pretty though...... |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 2:11:53 PM EDT
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Hornady tricked me with their “SBR” ammo, I’m not buying anymore of their marketing unless it’s proven to actually work.
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Posted: 6/24/2019 2:16:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4-AR:
Hornady tricked me with their "SBR" ammo, I'm not buying anymore of their marketing unless it's proven to actually work. i missed the SBR ammo? Thing?? what was that? |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 2:29:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
@M4-AR i missed the SBR ammo? Thing?? what was that? “SBR black” Supposed to be “significantly” quieter than normal ammo in SBR’s and suppressed. It did neither. Link |
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Posted: 6/24/2019 6:39:03 PM EDT
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The boxes are huge like the size of Sierra 30 cal bulk bag of 175gr SMK.
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Posted: 6/24/2019 7:54:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jetpig:
For that price I can not see how they can do any better than present loads I have already developed. No thanks... They are pretty though...... I'm not expecting miracles, but I should be able to load these longer without compressing powder. If I can drive them fast enough they'll be excellent extended long range rounds. |
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Posted: 6/25/2019 7:23:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4-AR: Hornady factory ammo. "SBR black" Supposed to be "significantly" quieter than normal ammo in SBR's and suppressed. It did neither. Link |
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USA
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Posted: 7/9/2019 11:32:35 AM EDT
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Curious if the 6mm Creedmoor reloaders have tried this new bullet yet.
If so, how did it go? |
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Posted: 7/9/2019 2:05:42 PM EDT
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The bullets are not selling in the 6MM and 6.5MM offerings. The 30 cal have not seemingly shipped.
The local source has sold one box of the 6MM.....with no feedback per the owner. |
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Posted: 7/9/2019 5:27:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rn22723:
The bullets are not selling in the 6MM and 6.5MM offerings. The 30 cal have not seemingly shipped. The local source has sold one box of the 6MM.....with no feedback per the owner. The last eta I saw for everything else is 8/2 |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 7/9/2019 6:43:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jonblack]
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Just back ordered some for my store
ETA: I have a couple of serious PRS shooters (6mm Dasher), and a 13 year old female F-TR shooter (.308 Win) that is breaking records. I bet they want to get their hands on some. |
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Posted: 10/7/2019 7:40:18 PM EDT
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Bumping this.
Midway just shipped my 153gr a-tips this afternoon. I won't be able to get to the damn range this weekend as my in-laws are having a wedding. What I can do is take some measurements and post some comparison pics. FWIW, I don't intend on changing out the seating stem on my die. I don't make millions of dollars (so I won't be shooting these regularly) and don't want to go through the hassle of setting everything up again. |
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