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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:17:23 AM EDT
My only experience with long range shooting was a short course I did at Fort Campbell back in 2012 with the M24 and a Leupold Mk 4 fixed power. I just purchased a Larue Tactical rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor and have been looking at the recommended optics thread. My question, With a $1000 budget, would you rather purchase something used or new? Ive seen some MK4 scopes go for seven to eight hundred dollars on the EE, and I understand their is a lifetime transferable warranty. Has technology really come far enough along that say, a new Vortex Viper PST is better? I understand that reticle technology had improved, Maybe a Christmas tree reticle greatly improves speed? Is illumination really important? I have an illuminated LPVO on my most used AR15 and Ive never used the illumination. Thanks for helping a newb.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 10:21:40 AM EDT
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Used high end from a manufacturer who has a warranty that does not care who the original purchaser is.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:01:56 AM EDT
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Used with warranty
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:04:58 AM EDT
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Used. There was a 3-15 Nightforce just a day or 2 ago for that price in the EE.
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:28:01 AM EDT
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You never go wrong with better optics.
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WV, USA
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Posted: 1/25/2021 11:57:21 PM EDT
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I think the real question is. When does the technology of newer coatings/glass in medium priced scopes overtake those details on older high end scopes.
You’d have to think a $400 Vortex is a better scope then a “quality” scope that was $1500 20 years ago. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 12:15:27 AM EDT
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Good glass is as important as a good rifle.
My first LR setup I spent more on the glass than I did on the rifle. Still have it. Others have come and gone. Don't limit your rifle with cheap glass. Leupold is a rock solid choice so far as warranty. If it has their name on it, they will fix it. That being said, optics have advanced light years in the past couple of decades, especially long range. Research a ton before you spend a single penny. Nothing will cast shade on a great rifle more than bad glass... HTH |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:12:55 AM EDT
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I appreciate the input. I think I am going to save up a few more months and go for the Leupold Mark 5
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Posted: 1/26/2021 6:20:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bastogne101: I appreciate the input. I think I am going to save up a few more months and go for the Leupold Mark 5 If you are saving a little more then look at the Vortex Razor II also. You can get a used 3-18x50 for not too much over the $1000 mark. A new one is about $1400. The 4.5-27x is about $1600 new and seen them for about $1300-1400 used. Well worth a look as they are heavily used in matches. |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:16:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Duckbutter]
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Cameralandny.com
Has some really good deals. If you call the number and ask for Doug he gives forum members a pretty good discount. ($50-10%) They also ship free and only charge certain states sales tax. The guys at rockslide.com forums swear by him. Redhawkrifles.com has good deals on demo Zeiss scopes. Look under demo section. I have never used either but if you read at rokslide they get a lot of mentions too. |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:40:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duckbutter: Cameralandny.com Has some really good deals. If you call the number and ask for Doug he gives forum members a pretty good discount. ($50-10%) They also ship free and only charge certain states sales tax. The guys at rockslide.com forums swear by him. Redhawkrifles.com has good deals on demo Zeiss scopes. Look under demo section. I have never used either but if you read at rokslide they get a lot of mentions too. He doesn’t carry Vortex products. |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2021 10:55:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Duckbutter]
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At $1000 budget. He’ll still have a bunch of good options. I didn’t read it as vortex or bust.
Maybe I read it wrong. The demo prices in the Zeiss scopes are worth a look at least. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:55:56 AM EDT
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It isn’t but if he wants all options he needs a seller that can give him all options or check multiple sellers.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 10:55:24 AM EDT
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Thanks for the cameralandny.com recommendation. I decided to up my budget even if that means holding off for a few months. The options out there are a little overwhelming. As of now, based on my limited knowledge, I am sold on the Leupold Mark 5HD over the Vortex Razor Gen II. All else being equal, it comes down to weight. While I will use this optic for bench shooting I will also be using it on an Elk hunt this fall and ounces matter. Is there any objective comparison test results for these two optics that anyone is aware of? I also found out about Leupold's veteran VIP program and am waiting to see what kind of discount that gets me. Thanks for the input everyone. This community is very kind and helpful.
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WV, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2021 12:54:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Duckbutter]
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Samplelist.com
Just had a bunch of demo SWFA scopes dropped for purchase. Might be worth checking out too. That has been a long time good place to buy demo optics. It’s part of swfa.com Over at hunttalk.com there is a long time member who gives special pricing on Leupolds. His username is schmalts. Guys over there swear by him. I feel your pain. I have a $1k budget for a hunting scope and can’t decide. I don’t want a scope to turn dials and most of the quality scopes in that range are for long range shooting. I’ve been looking for a few months now and just sharing the best deals and options I’ve found so far. |
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Posted: 1/27/2021 1:08:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bastogne101: Thanks for the cameralandny.com recommendation. I decided to up my budget even if that means holding off for a few months. The options out there are a little overwhelming. As of now, based on my limited knowledge, I am sold on the Leupold Mark 5HD over the Vortex Razor Gen II. All else being equal, it comes down to weight. While I will use this optic for bench shooting I will also be using it on an Elk hunt this fall and ounces matter. Is there any objective comparison test results for these two optics that anyone is aware of? I also found out about Leupold's veteran VIP program and am waiting to see what kind of discount that gets me. Thanks for the input everyone. This community is very kind and helpful. Did you look at the Vortex AMG? Lighter weight than the Mark5 and priced similar. Vortex also has LE/Mil/First Reaponder discounts as well. Some vendors like Sport Optics offer it direct. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 5:52:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Did you look at the Vortex AMG? Lighter weight than the Mark5 and priced similar. Vortex also has LE/Mil/First Reaponder discounts as well. Some vendors like Sport Optics offer it direct. Oh, That is exactly what I am looking for. The AMG wasn't on my radar until now. It's a good thing I have some time before I have all the cash I need. I don't know how to decide. I'm now looking at the NF NX8, Leopold Mark 5, Razor AMG, and considering the Eotech Vudu. I get veteran discounts on all of these brands, the only ones currently available is Eotech. The NF NX8 is a 7 month lead time and I haven't seen any Vortex optics available in their discount program in months, and Leupold's website is down for ordering. If you held a gun to my head right now I would have to pick the AMG. It is hard to beat a no hassle warranty. |
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Posted: 1/28/2021 6:52:00 PM EDT
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Look at Govx and also call some Vortex dealers as some offer the LE/Mil pricing to people. Vortex doesn't sell direct anymore for LE/Mil.
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Posted: 1/28/2021 6:56:02 PM EDT
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It’s not just about glass clarity and reticle. It’s about robust mechanicals that hold up to repeated adjustments without losing precision or accuracy.
Used high-quality beats new cheap. Every time. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2021 1:17:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Look at Govx and also call some Vortex dealers as some offer the LE/Mil pricing to people. Vortex doesn't sell direct anymore for LE/Mil. they pushed it all through expertvoice. you can sign up there. but everything was out of stock this morning when I went to look. |
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Posted: 2/2/2021 2:55:46 AM EDT
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I *really* want to try one of the Crimson Trace Series 5 scopes on clearance at MidwayUSA. Zero stop, FFP, with GAP style mil reticle...and made in Japan.
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