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Posted: 11/15/2014 5:13:37 PM EDT
I am getting a 50cal itch.

On one hand I want something that's accurate, but on the other hand buying a single shot or mag fed rifle doesn't seem nearly as fun as a belt fed.

So, I've been looking at a semi-auto m2hb then looking into seeing what can be done about accuracy. The problem is there are very few resources available to read about accuracy. Some say with milsurp you're looking at 2-3moa, and from my understanding, 50cal milsurp is pretty poor on tolerances. So if that was true I could likely work on handloads and get it to or below 1moa which is what I'm looking for.

Any input would be appreciated.
Link Posted: 11/18/2014 1:09:55 AM EDT
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For what it's worth the M2 never was designed to be an accurate gun.  It spreads a cone of fire in the direction it's aimed.

As far as it being used to 'snipe', don't and never will beleive it
Link Posted: 11/18/2014 1:38:53 AM EDT
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24th Infantry Division, Intelligence and Reconnaissance Platoon, Korean War.





Link Posted: 11/18/2014 11:35:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Sinister:
24th Infantry Division, Intelligence and Reconnaissance Platoon, Korean War.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/M2Sniper.jpg
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And a guy I went to church with said he made multiple hits on nk infantry with single shot firing. Guys I've talked to swear they CAN be accurate. Carlos hathcock hit a nva at 2500yds with one.
Link Posted: 11/20/2014 1:05:42 PM EDT
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And a guy I went to church with said he made multiple hits on nk infantry with single shot firing. Guys I've talked to swear they CAN be accurate. Carlos hathcock hit a nva at 2500yds with one.
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Originally Posted By Shockergd:
Originally Posted By Sinister:
24th Infantry Division, Intelligence and Reconnaissance Platoon, Korean War.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/M2Sniper.jpg


And a guy I went to church with said he made multiple hits on nk infantry with single shot firing. Guys I've talked to swear they CAN be accurate. Carlos hathcock hit a nva at 2500yds with one.


Hathcock also made that shot after shooting a kids bike out from under him and subsequently shooting the kid (both on purpose), in the ~1,300 range I believe.

I don't know if I would buy one to snipe with but it will put bullets where they belong more often than not. If you don't know what you are doing with one they do have a tendency to blow the feed cover off and into your face so make sure you read/follow the instructions.
Link Posted: 11/25/2014 5:33:01 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/2/2015 6:54:27 PM EDT
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I own a Barrett M82A1, a Robar and a belt fed, all .50.  The Belt fed is by far the least accurate, but the M82 isn't far behind. We had the Marine Corps Armorers at my facility for a match and I brought up the issue of the inaccuracy of the M82A1.  They asked how many rounds I had down the barrel.  I told them about 200 and they laughed and said the weapon didn't wear in until 2000 rounds, not with me shooting it.  The Robar is by far the most accurate, shooting sub MOA

Unless you can drive up to your shooting position at the range, I don't recommend the belt fed.  Carlos Hathcock was at the US SWAT championship in Orlando Florida in the early 80's.  I ran into him at the Hotel bar and asked him about the .50 shot where he killed the guy on the bike.  I asked what his ratio of hit to misses was and he laughed and said, "no one wants to hear about misses".  

The Barrett was never designed as an anti personnel weapon, it just morphed into one.  You put enough lead into the air and some unfortunate person is going to run into something.  When someone says they made some great shot ask them how many it took to walk the rounds in, or if they could do it cold the next day.
Link Posted: 4/16/2018 3:04:17 AM EDT
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I never knew of a MA2 50 blowing off the feed cover, not saying that it does not happen.   I am very much aware of a MA2 50 blowing downward due to the timeing not being adjusted correctly,
this seldom caused injuries when mounted on a tripod, but on a truck or other mount with the gunner being in a standing position, it could cause leg injuries.  If it is your gun, make sure that timming and head space are adjusted correctly before fireing.  This can be easly learned and gauges should always be with the gun.  enjoy
Link Posted: 4/16/2018 3:25:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SGTDUSMC:
I never knew of a MA2 50 blowing off the feed cover, not saying that it does not happen.   I am very much aware of a MA2 50 blowing downward due to the timeing not being adjusted correctly,
this seldom caused injuries when mounted on a tripod, but on a truck or other mount with the gunner being in a standing position, it could cause leg injuries.  If it is your gun, make sure that timming and head space are adjusted correctly before fireing.  This can be easly learned and gauges should always be with the gun.  enjoy
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The top cover can and will blow hard enough to bend it.  Pieces of casing fly everywhere.  It can mess you up pretty bad.
Link Posted: 4/16/2018 3:34:22 AM EDT
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Under the right circumstances, you can accurize semi-auto weapons in a variety of ways.  Mcbride talks about it in "A Rifleman Went to War"...how their MG sections found certain setups wither certain lots of ammo, to be better than others.  There were "tricks of the trade" so to speak, that allowed them to increase or decrease accuracy when needed.

In terms of an M2, consistency and rigidity...tripod being absolutely locked down, rigid shot to shot, T&E mech being locked, ammo that is consistent, barrel that headspaces perfectly and is not damaged or worn, bolt that is tight, and so on.

Even then...it's not a precision weapon...but you can often walk rounds onto a pretty small space if you have the right setup and time to do it.  I've walked rounds all over a tank with a M2 at 1700m.  It wasn't easy but you could see the impacts through glass and make very minor adjustments to correct POI.  Pressure on the spade to one side would move the POI about the length of the hull.  I got it down to where I could reliably hit the same place on the turret (think pizza box sized area) over and over again if I gently pressed the shot off and didn't disrupt the gun in any other way.

That was with a spotter in broad daylight and unlimited time to do it...

YMMV
Link Posted: 4/16/2018 12:42:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shockergd:
I am getting a 50cal itch.

On one hand I want something that's accurate, but on the other hand buying a single shot or mag fed rifle doesn't seem nearly as fun as a belt fed.

So, I've been looking at a semi-auto m2hb then looking into seeing what can be done about accuracy. The problem is there are very few resources available to read about accuracy. Some say with milsurp you're looking at 2-3moa, and from my understanding, 50cal milsurp is pretty poor on tolerances. So if that was true I could likely work on handloads and get it to or below 1moa which is what I'm looking for.

Any input would be appreciated.
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I'm skeptical that the m2hb can do sub moa.
I'm also not sure what kind of precision firing position you could manage with the m2hb dimensions.
Link Posted: 4/16/2018 1:28:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By BarrettBoy:

I'm skeptical that the m2hb can do sub moa.
I'm also not sure what kind of precision firing position you could manage with the m2hb dimensions.
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More importantly, do you really want to lug that thing around?

It sure ain't fun dragging it up 5 flights
Link Posted: 10/20/2018 12:45:42 AM EDT
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Weren't M2 barrels adapted for use on bolt actions by the early precision .50 shooters?
Link Posted: 10/22/2018 6:09:57 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/23/2020 4:08:30 PM EDT
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The barrel is quite loose in the barrel support.  Some older ones had bronze bushings in the barrel supports, so maybe those could be made to fit tighter and increase the accuracy potential.
Link Posted: 3/28/2020 10:11:28 PM EDT
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2-3 seems to be about what i have gotten with them
Link Posted: 8/13/2020 10:12:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By brownbomber:
The barrel is quite loose in the barrel support.  Some older ones had bronze bushings in the barrel supports, so maybe those could be made to fit tighter and increase the accuracy potential.
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There is also a bushing that is screwed into receiver. Years ago the same people that make the KMP 50 BMG stuff made said bushing out of brass( I bought one). The bore of it was only .010 bigger than the barrel as opposed to the .060 of the USGI bushing. I don't know if they still make it but it did improve groups.
Link Posted: 12/10/2020 5:49:02 PM EDT
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Any ody know what an M2 costs? I'd have to imagine there aren't many out there for civilians to buy, that's gotta be a pretty nice car worth of money I would think
Link Posted: 12/26/2020 6:07:34 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/19/2021 4:26:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MADUCE:
I own a Barrett M82A1, a Robar and a belt fed, all .50.  The Belt fed is by far the least accurate, but the M82 isn't far behind. We had the Marine Corps Armorers at my facility for a match and I brought up the issue of the inaccuracy of the M82A1.  They asked how many rounds I had down the barrel.  I told them about 200 and they laughed and said the weapon didn't wear in until 2000 rounds, not with me shooting it.  The Robar is by far the most accurate, shooting sub MOA

Unless you can drive up to your shooting position at the range, I don't recommend the belt fed.  Carlos Hathcock was at the US SWAT championship in Orlando Florida in the early 80's.  I ran into him at the Hotel bar and asked him about the .50 shot where he killed the guy on the bike.  I asked what his ratio of hit to misses was and he laughed and said, "no one wants to hear about misses".  

The Barrett was never designed as an anti personnel weapon, it just morphed into one.  You put enough lead into the air and some unfortunate person is going to run into something.  When someone says they made some great shot ask them how many it took to walk the rounds in, or if they could do it cold the next day.
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