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Posted: 3/2/2020 6:04:09 PM EDT
I'd take 2900 but I think the .308 Nosler 125 grain would take a faster twist rate. Any ideas????
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In for information.
Link Posted: 3/2/2020 6:43:26 PM EDT
Need more info. Out of a 26” barrel on a TRG-22 I’ve gotten 155 Scenars to right at 2900 but the loads were spicy with cratered and flattened primers. Not ideal. With a 140 gr .30 cal bullet. (if such an animal exists) or with a 30/32” Palma rifle you should be able to do it with 155’s.
Link Posted: 3/2/2020 6:55:07 PM EDT
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Barnes tsx's start at 110 grains and go up....they should easily get you where you need and still be affective...

https://www.barnesbullets.com/bullets/ttsx/

110 to 140 grain will all run over 3000 fps...

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Factory 130 grain  308...
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1017413588
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Originally Posted By ACEB36TC:
I'd take 2900 but I think the .308 Nosler 125 grain would take a faster twist rate. Any ideas????
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Do you mean slower twist rate? 1-10 stabilized over 175gr bullets pretty well.
Link Posted: 3/2/2020 10:48:10 PM EDT
I'm presently shooting Hornady Match 168g ELD. I need to drive a smaller bullet toward 3000 fps. Maybe even 3190 but not beyond. This is for match shooting only. Money isn't really an issue. I'm an old guy trying to relive his youth. I do NOT want to hand load as I've been down that road a few thousand miles. I just want to have fun and be "somewhat" competitive. Well winning isn't so bad either.
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I'm more confused and still wondering what you are asking about twist.

Ammoseek
110gr factory ammo
125gr factory ammo
Link Posted: 3/3/2020 12:00:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
Velocity doesn't win matches. Those 168s are a good match bullet. They have a good BC and plenty of velocity in factory ammo. I shoot them in Tac class in PRS style matches.

What matches are you shooting?
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I'm starting to shoot PRS. It just seems that the .308 runs out of gas at 950.
Link Posted: 3/3/2020 12:07:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ACEB36TC:

I'm starting to shoot PRS. It just seems that the .308 runs out of gas at 950.
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The lighter bullets will probably run out before that.
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Originally Posted By ACEB36TC:

I'm starting to shoot PRS. It just seems that the .308 runs out of gas at 950.
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You want heavier, not lighter..
Link Posted: 3/3/2020 9:04:11 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AKSnowRider:
You want heavier, not lighter...
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This!  Beyond about 600 to 700, heavier, slower, higher BC bullets do better than lighter, faster, lower BC bullets...
Link Posted: 3/3/2020 9:12:22 AM EDT
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OP, since you insist on factory ammo, I'd try these:

175 Berger Factory Ammo

ETA: Or these:

175 Lapua
Link Posted: 3/3/2020 9:41:57 AM EDT
Thanks for the responses guys. I really really don't want to go down the rabbit hole of reloading. I got my son started in PRS and have no interest in weight sorting cases, turning necks, using tweezers and on and on. I just want to be able to get something off the shelf with an SD of less than 20 and go have some fun. At my age ( 66) just finishing a match with no issues is a good time for me. I have no pretense of being in the hunt but I have great equipment and SOME ability. The people in the PRS are super and I know many of them. The nature of the beast requires some shots out to 1200 or even beyond. Therein lies my issue as the .308 is not in the same class as the "hot rods".
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Originally Posted By ACEB36TC:
Thanks for the responses guys. I really really don't want to go down the rabbit hole of reloading. I got my son started in PRS and have no interest in weight sorting cases, turning necks, using tweezers and on and on. I just want to be able to get something off the shelf with an SD of less than 20 and go have some fun. At my age ( 66) just finishing a match with no issues is a good time for me. I have no pretense of being in the hunt but I have great equipment and SOME ability. The people in the PRS are super and I know many of them. The nature of the beast requires some shots out to 1200 or even beyond. Therein lies my issue as the .308 is not in the same class as the "hot rods".
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I'd just buy a 6.5mm of some flavor and go with that then.  Or a .300WM ... You're going to have consistency problems on 1200yd targets with just about any projectile using a .308win. You need to rethink the caliber if you're limiting yourself to off the shelf ammo.
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This is what you want for 308 and 1000yd plus.
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
Depends if he wants to stay in Tac class or not as there is a 178grn max limit for bullet weight.
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Originally Posted By jlficken:
This is what you want for 308 and 1000yd plus.
Depends if he wants to stay in Tac class or not as there is a 178grn max limit for bullet weight.
Good point....
Link Posted: 3/3/2020 3:47:18 PM EDT
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I just got off the phone with Hornady ( very helpful) and I think I'll go to the Super Performance and just shoot open. I'm never going to win anything anyway. My whole point was just to be able to shoot as well at 1100 as I do at 800. My 6CM is on its way but I don't know when it will get here though soooooo we'll keep on shooting my .308 'till it arrives. I will crono this ammo and SEE what it really is and if it is below 2800 I'll stay in the tac division. This whole deal guys is just about me having fun and hanging out with the best folks on the planet anyway.
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Originally Posted By Rob01:
Don't get hung up on the velocity and reaching 1100 yards. The ELDs and BTHP do fine in the transonic and even though they go through it they still shoot well. I have shot 168 ELDs at 2750fps out to 1200 in matches. Shot the old 178 AMAX to 1350 yards and it was only going 2720fps.
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I found some Hornady "Superperformance" in 168 grain and I'm picking up some tomorrow. My son is giving me one of his lab radars and then I'll know. I did speak with the boss at the PRS and he told me that there is some variance on the speed in the tac division.  He also told me to expect a lower velocity than what the mtg claims. I really hope it works out
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Well I now have even more issues. The Hornady Super performance has an SD of 15.3, ES of 37 and an average velocity of 2912 fps. Besides that the grouping PALES in comparison to the regular Hornady Match ammo. Both are shooting the 168 g ELD bullet. I'm taking a step backward IMHO if I switch. I observed ZERO pressure signs at all. I may shoot another couple of mags through it . We'll see. Shannon told me a 10% variance but the book says 1% so I'm sure that was a typo.
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