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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2020 5:42:05 PM EDT
Anybody have recommendations for how to deal with the heat distortion with high powered scopes and a suppressor? It is quite bad on my AR 6.5 Creedmoor.
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Posted: 5/28/2020 5:54:43 PM EDT
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must dial down the magnification and get a cover for can
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Posted: 5/28/2020 6:14:28 PM EDT
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how many rounds/ mags are you shooting at a time?
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Posted: 5/28/2020 6:27:17 PM EDT
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Tactical Oven Mitt
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Posted: 5/28/2020 6:29:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By reelserious: must dial down the magnification and get a cover for can Reduce rate of fire. Add a chamber chiller. For a cover, the Armageddon Gear suppressor covers are my go to. |
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Posted: 5/28/2020 6:36:54 PM EDT
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2020 7:23:09 PM EDT
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I'm shooting at a slow rate, only about 20 rounds an hour currently and having a big problem. Are suppressor manufacturers ok with using the covers?
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Posted: 5/28/2020 8:13:41 PM EDT
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They better be as everyone I know who has a can uses one. LOL
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Posted: 5/28/2020 8:33:52 PM EDT
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Sucks doesn't it?
As others said, a suppressor cover is needed. Ive got an Armageddon cover. It works, dont know if its the best...never bought a different manufacturer. They make great squeeze bags so I figured their covers must work too. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2020 9:42:36 PM EDT
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Well Im knew to using a can but now I know what I need to do. Thanks guys for the great advice.
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Posted: 5/29/2020 11:46:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Heinrocket: I'm shooting at a slow rate, only about 20 rounds an hour currently and having a big problem. Are suppressor manufacturers ok with using the covers? I shoot mine with an IR thermometer when I'm trying for cold bore shots and it usually takes 10-15 minutes to cool all the way after even a single shot  Covers are no big deal...unless you're shooting with a rapid rate of fire then they will spontaneously combust or melt 
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Posted: 5/29/2020 8:06:19 PM EDT
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You can buy a mirage shield or make your own.
https://criterionbarrels.com/media/build-your-own-mirage-shield-for-less-than-a-buck/ |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 5/30/2020 12:33:22 PM EDT
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shoot slower.
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Posted: 6/9/2020 9:29:54 PM EDT
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Silly question, but why not shoot without the silencer? There is no way threading a muzzle and hanging several ounces off the end would be more accurate than a boring old crown.
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Posted: 6/9/2020 11:28:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenLocust: why not shoot without the silencer?  Gross |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 7:38:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joe731: Gross Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joe731: Originally Posted By GreenLocust: why not shoot without the silencer? Gross +2 So uncouth. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 9:33:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenLocust: Silly question, but why not shoot without the silencer? There is no way threading a muzzle and hanging several ounces off the end would be more accurate than a boring old crown. Actually they can be made to be very accurate and people who want less noise like them. Suppressors have their place. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 9:57:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: Actually they can be made to be very accurate and people who want less noise like them. Suppressors have their place. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 10:00:05 AM EDT
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Suppressors did have less recoil than a bare barrel but not as much as a brake but then again you get more noise with a brake. I personally like a brake better on my match rifles.
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Posted: 6/10/2020 10:01:54 AM EDT
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Install a mini fan?
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MI, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2020 5:41:10 PM EDT
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My main reason for using the suppressor is that the prairie dogs don't disappear as quickly when I use it. I have a KAC M110 lower with a KAC 6.5 Creedmor upper and a KAC suppressor. I made a metal shield for the barrel and brake and it did a good job of handling the mirage but that was a stop gap until I got an Armageddon cover for the suppressor. I shot with the cover in South Dakota last week and the cover seemed to work great...no issues with mirage at long distance with 35x power. Longest successful shot was 902 yards. I also got the Armageddon squeeze bag and was very happy with it. Thanks for the recommendations. Wish I had longer shot opps but the locations just didnt cooperate.
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Posted: 7/2/2020 9:53:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenLocust: Silly question, but why not shoot without the silencer? There is no way threading a muzzle and hanging several ounces off the end would be more accurate than a boring old crown. That's where your wrong friendo. |
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Posted: 7/5/2020 3:37:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FritzTKatt]
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I'm fine with just a cover. Have a TAB gear on the omega 300 (shooting bolt action) and coletac HTP on the m4sd (semi auto).
If the mirage is still getting you bad, as suggested, going to have to use a mirage band. You might also check out single loading, so when you're not engaging much, you can let that bolt stay open, and this will also keep your next round from soaking up that chamber heat. Yeah, it definitely defeats the purpose of a semi auto, but you'll run into those problems when using an auto loader in place of a manual action. ETA: to greenlocust... usually a silencer doesn't change much, but I have had one lot of bulk ammo that shot like ass go from 7 to 5moa using a silencer. Shooting loud sucks, I try not to do it as much as possible. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 8:59:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenLocust: Silly question, but why not shoot without the silencer? There is no way threading a muzzle and hanging several ounces off the end would be more accurate than a boring old crown. Found the loud poor. If you haven’t shot suppressed you don’t know what you’re missing |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 2:40:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rex_Allen: Found the loud poor. If you haven’t shot suppressed you don’t know what you’re missing It isn't a matter of economics but of barrel harmonics. It is an accuracy contest, not a lowest decibel contest or fashion show. Hanging anything on a barrel hurts accuracy. Threading a barrel hurts accuracy. More heat is harder on a barrel than less heat. What is normal accuracy in this discipline? Perhaps the accuracy reduction doesn't affect scores enough to count. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 2:45:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenLocust: It isn't a matter of economics but of barrel harmonics. It is an accuracy contest, not a lowest decibel contest or fashion show. Hanging anything on a barrel hurts accuracy. Threading a barrel hurts accuracy. More heat is harder on a barrel than less heat. What is normal accuracy in this discipline? Perhaps the accuracy reduction doesn't affect scores enough to count. None of that hurts accuracy. It may hurt it for a load made without them and then doing them but when adjusted it will be just as accurate. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 2:54:22 PM EDT
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A temperature sleeve for your can will help.
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Posted: 8/12/2020 2:17:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenLocust: It isn't a matter of economics but of barrel harmonics. It is an accuracy contest, not a lowest decibel contest or fashion show. Hanging anything on a barrel hurts accuracy. Threading a barrel hurts accuracy. More heat is harder on a barrel than less heat. What is normal accuracy in this discipline? Perhaps the accuracy reduction doesn't affect scores enough to count. How about increasing stability by reading the transition in pressures for the bullet (think barrel crown only better). Increased velocity (25-50+fps is not abnormal). Better ability to trace your own rounds. Less movement between shots. Adding stability to the platform. Shoot head to head with someone shooting a can. I doubt you’ll see a difference you could attribute to harmonics barrel harmonics. |
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PRI
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Posted: 12/10/2020 5:22:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Raptor22]
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Spammer, you are nowhere near Puerto Rico!
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Posted: 12/10/2020 7:43:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenLocust: It isn't a matter of economics but of barrel harmonics. It is an accuracy contest, not a lowest decibel contest or fashion show. Hanging anything on a barrel hurts accuracy. Threading a barrel hurts accuracy. More heat is harder on a barrel than less heat. What is normal accuracy in this discipline? Perhaps the accuracy reduction doesn't affect scores enough to count. All I know is that my Grendel loses nothing except decibels when I shoot it with the can on it. POI changes, but accuracy and precision do not. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2020 12:51:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MS556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenLocust: It isn't a matter of economics but of barrel harmonics. It is an accuracy contest, not a lowest decibel contest or fashion show. Hanging anything on a barrel hurts accuracy. Threading a barrel hurts accuracy. More heat is harder on a barrel than less heat. What is normal accuracy in this discipline? Perhaps the accuracy reduction doesn't affect scores enough to count. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GreenLocust: Originally Posted By Rex_Allen: Found the loud poor. If you haven’t shot suppressed you don’t know what you’re missing It isn't a matter of economics but of barrel harmonics. It is an accuracy contest, not a lowest decibel contest or fashion show. Hanging anything on a barrel hurts accuracy. Threading a barrel hurts accuracy. More heat is harder on a barrel than less heat. What is normal accuracy in this discipline? Perhaps the accuracy reduction doesn't affect scores enough to count. Are you telling me my Lilja match barrel is less accurate because Lilja threaded it and I attached a KAC M4QD flash hider? Someone for got to tell my barrel and the folks at Lilja. It is sub 1/2 MOA capable with the FH in place. I've not run it with the intended NT4 can yet (awaiting feds), but I don't see how the forward weight would affect accuracy - barrel harmonics will change point of impact, though. |
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