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Posted: 2/18/2020 8:30:34 PM EDT
Why is it that FFP generally cost a fair amount more than SFP scopes?

Is there really that much of a manufacturing cost difference?

Just supply and demand?
Link Posted: 2/19/2020 2:19:25 AM EDT
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Idk but i think i will stick with sfp scopes from now on. Cross hairs are near impossible to see at lower power.
Link Posted: 2/19/2020 9:28:15 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/19/2020 9:36:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By urbanredneck:
Idk but i think i will stick with sfp scopes from now on. Cross hairs are near impossible to see at lower power.
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It’s not for use at the lowest power available on the scope.

Say you have a scope with 18x on the top end and you’re shooting on a hot day in FL.  You may want to dial back power to say 10x-12x to cut down on mirage, a power range where the reticle is still going to be useful on pretty much any scope.  With a FFP, your subtensions are still going to be accurate.  With the SFP they aren’t.

That is the usefulness in a FFP scope.
Link Posted: 2/19/2020 10:16:36 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/19/2020 10:25:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By VortexOptics:
We talked about it a bit in our FFP vs SFP podcast - https://soundcloud.com/vortexnationpodcast/ep-09-ffp-vs-sfp (Also available on apple podcasts and other podcast platforms)

But yes there is a fairly significant difference in cost of manufacturing. The reticle is down inside the one-piece scope tube rather than up near the top where the tube meets the separate eyepiece (Like in a SFP scope). When the eyepiece is off, a SFP reticle is right there and can be installed, removed, aligned much more easily. When it's on the end of the erector unit and down inside the tube, that's just that much more time and care needed to install it, align it and make sure it's correct. FFP reticles are also always glass-etched reticles. Usually in a scope family where there is a SFP reticle and a FFP reticle, the SFP is probably also glass-etched, to be fair, but the FFP reticle would look pretty different than the SFP reticle if you held them in your hand - it needs to be done much smaller because it will go through the full magnification process in the erector unit unlike a SFP reticle which just meets up with the image after everything has been magnified - those don't need to be done so microscopically small. On top of that, FFP reticle usually have a lot more intricate features on them that need to be done to extreme precision, so it's just harder to make even the physical reticle itself.

All that adds up!
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Thanks for the insight.
Link Posted: 2/19/2020 11:15:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By VortexOptics:
We talked about it a bit in our FFP vs SFP podcast - https://soundcloud.com/vortexnationpodcast/ep-09-ffp-vs-sfp (Also available on apple podcasts and other podcast platforms)

But yes there is a fairly significant difference in cost of manufacturing. The reticle is down inside the one-piece scope tube rather than up near the top where the tube meets the separate eyepiece (Like in a SFP scope). When the eyepiece is off, a SFP reticle is right there and can be installed, removed, aligned much more easily. When it's on the end of the erector unit and down inside the tube, that's just that much more time and care needed to install it, align it and make sure it's correct. FFP reticles are also always glass-etched reticles. Usually in a scope family where there is a SFP reticle and a FFP reticle, the SFP is probably also glass-etched, to be fair, but the FFP reticle would look pretty different than the SFP reticle if you held them in your hand - it needs to be done much smaller because it will go through the full magnification process in the erector unit unlike a SFP reticle which just meets up with the image after everything has been magnified - those don't need to be done so microscopically small. On top of that, FFP reticle usually have a lot more intricate features on them that need to be done to extreme precision, so it's just harder to make even the physical reticle itself.

All that adds up!
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Originally Posted By VortexOptics:
Originally Posted By mi650:
Why is it that FFP generally cost a fair amount more than SFP scopes?

Is there really that much of a manufacturing cost difference?

Just supply and demand?
We talked about it a bit in our FFP vs SFP podcast - https://soundcloud.com/vortexnationpodcast/ep-09-ffp-vs-sfp (Also available on apple podcasts and other podcast platforms)

But yes there is a fairly significant difference in cost of manufacturing. The reticle is down inside the one-piece scope tube rather than up near the top where the tube meets the separate eyepiece (Like in a SFP scope). When the eyepiece is off, a SFP reticle is right there and can be installed, removed, aligned much more easily. When it's on the end of the erector unit and down inside the tube, that's just that much more time and care needed to install it, align it and make sure it's correct. FFP reticles are also always glass-etched reticles. Usually in a scope family where there is a SFP reticle and a FFP reticle, the SFP is probably also glass-etched, to be fair, but the FFP reticle would look pretty different than the SFP reticle if you held them in your hand - it needs to be done much smaller because it will go through the full magnification process in the erector unit unlike a SFP reticle which just meets up with the image after everything has been magnified - those don't need to be done so microscopically small. On top of that, FFP reticle usually have a lot more intricate features on them that need to be done to extreme precision, so it's just harder to make even the physical reticle itself.

All that adds up!
Thanks for the explanation!!  

I was picturing the reticles just being etched on different lenses.
Link Posted: 2/20/2020 9:57:47 AM EDT
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Itty bitty FFP reticle.

Link Posted: 3/22/2020 11:04:25 AM EDT
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Very cool to have a manufacturer respond!  One of the best things about this website.  



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Originally Posted By VortexOptics:
We talked about it a bit in our FFP vs SFP podcast - https://soundcloud.com/vortexnationpodcast/ep-09-ffp-vs-sfp (Also available on apple podcasts and other podcast platforms)

But yes there is a fairly significant difference in cost of manufacturing. The reticle is down inside the one-piece scope tube rather than up near the top where the tube meets the separate eyepiece (Like in a SFP scope). When the eyepiece is off, a SFP reticle is right there and can be installed, removed, aligned much more easily. When it's on the end of the erector unit and down inside the tube, that's just that much more time and care needed to install it, align it and make sure it's correct. FFP reticles are also always glass-etched reticles. Usually in a scope family where there is a SFP reticle and a FFP reticle, the SFP is probably also glass-etched, to be fair, but the FFP reticle would look pretty different than the SFP reticle if you held them in your hand - it needs to be done much smaller because it will go through the full magnification process in the erector unit unlike a SFP reticle which just meets up with the image after everything has been magnified - those don't need to be done so microscopically small. On top of that, FFP reticle usually have a lot more intricate features on them that need to be done to extreme precision, so it's just harder to make even the physical reticle itself.

All that adds up!
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Link Posted: 3/22/2020 5:15:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Overtorque:
Very cool to have a manufacturer respond!  One of the best things about this website.  




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Originally Posted By Overtorque:
Very cool to have a manufacturer respond!  One of the best things about this website.  



Originally Posted By VortexOptics:
We talked about it a bit in our FFP vs SFP podcast - https://soundcloud.com/vortexnationpodcast/ep-09-ffp-vs-sfp (Also available on apple podcasts and other podcast platforms)

But yes there is a fairly significant difference in cost of manufacturing. The reticle is down inside the one-piece scope tube rather than up near the top where the tube meets the separate eyepiece (Like in a SFP scope). When the eyepiece is off, a SFP reticle is right there and can be installed, removed, aligned much more easily. When it's on the end of the erector unit and down inside the tube, that's just that much more time and care needed to install it, align it and make sure it's correct. FFP reticles are also always glass-etched reticles. Usually in a scope family where there is a SFP reticle and a FFP reticle, the SFP is probably also glass-etched, to be fair, but the FFP reticle would look pretty different than the SFP reticle if you held them in your hand - it needs to be done much smaller because it will go through the full magnification process in the erector unit unlike a SFP reticle which just meets up with the image after everything has been magnified - those don't need to be done so microscopically small. On top of that, FFP reticle usually have a lot more intricate features on them that need to be done to extreme precision, so it's just harder to make even the physical reticle itself.

All that adds up!


Yep.  
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