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Posted: 1/30/2017 4:33:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rara1141]
Saw that Savage has new offerings for both .308 and 6.5 Creedmoor in both a "Hunter" and "Long Range" version.
Are these shipping yet ? |
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Posted: 2/1/2017 10:46:58 AM EDT
[#1]
They are showing up as a line item in my Whole sellers, so they should be in stock in the next 2-4 weeks.
They retail for $2289, They will sell for $1999 or less i would think thanks Steve RLTW Colonial Armory 816-718-9489 |
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Posted: 2/1/2017 12:10:25 PM EDT
[#2]
It's pretty awesome really. I handled it, disassembled it, and spoke with the guys at Savage about it in detail.
Extended Length Gas System....check Adjustable gas system that doesn't choke the port, but allows port flow into a cylinder you can adjust with a cartridge tip....check Streamlined MLOK handguard with slot for the gas already incorporated....check 2-stage trigger Magpul PRS Gen II Very lightweight and well-balanced Small Frame receiver set Redesigned Bolt Carrier Group Already equipped with a purpose-built muzzle brake Very impressive rifle all around |
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USA
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Posted: 2/1/2017 1:05:44 PM EDT
[#3]
Read about them yesterday. Looks bad ass!
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Posted: 2/1/2017 2:35:42 PM EDT
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There is only one thing to do:
Get a good mount and NF or Vortex glass. Load it up, and start shooting. No need to scour the internet for an MLOK, streamlined, super light handguard. No need to find some way to jack the rifle over with after-market parts. Just glass it and start shooting. |
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Posted: 2/1/2017 2:38:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
It's pretty awesome really. I handled it, disassembled it, and spoke with the guys at Savage about it in detail. Extended Length Gas System....check Adjustable gas system that doesn't choke the port, but allows port flow into a cylinder you can adjust with a cartridge tip....check Streamlined MLOK handguard with slot for the gas already incorporated....check 2-stage trigger Magpul PRS Gen II Very lightweight and well-balanced Small Frame receiver set Redesigned Bolt Carrier Group Already equipped with a purpose-built muzzle brake Very impressive rifle all around |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 11:21:44 PM EDT
[#6]
They knocked it out of the park.
If these rifles shoot like Savages, they will be the one to beat. Price points are set to bite into the market nicely as well. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2017 11:36:07 PM EDT
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The long range version in 6.5 is everything i have been looking for. What do yall think about Smith and Wessons new 6.5 that is to soon come out? Which would yall pick and why? Do you know of any others that are similar for less money? I am wanting something that i can print some nice groups at 100 and bang steel at distance. Any suggestions you guys have is much appreciated
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Posted: 2/3/2017 12:09:33 AM EDT
[#8]
What is the gas system length on the 18" 6.5? Since 22" is too long.
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Posted: 2/3/2017 1:11:29 AM EDT
[#9]
I didn't see a sample of the 18" 6.5 Creedmoor there, only the MSR-10 long range, but their website shows an 18" gun that is likely the .308 version.
I do not know yet whether the 6.5 Creedmoor 18" differs from it in gas system length, but I know they both come with adjustable gas from the factory, with a cylinder, not a choke on the port, and it's accessible through the handguard. 
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Posted: 2/3/2017 1:16:41 AM EDT
[#10]
The hunter in 6.5CM is 18".
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KY, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2017 10:04:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Halfdollar86]
[#11]
I heard that they are extended gas systems which is a lil longer than rifle length in long range. Looking at where the cut out is in the handgurd it looks right. The hunter version looks mid lengthish
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:01:17 PM EDT
[#12]
I'll say it again.
Daniel Defense is smoking crack with how they price their 7.62 |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:08:36 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southfloridaguns:
I'll say it again. Daniel Defense is smoking crack with how they price their 7.62 Not with the amount of testing they did on that rifle to get it where it is. They did due diligence with their ammo testing budget. Also consider that they might be pricing it to keep production and quality at a certain level so they don't get flooded with demand that threatens quality. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:40:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
Not with the amount of testing they did on that rifle to get it where it is. They did due diligence with their ammo testing budget. Also consider that they might be pricing it to keep production and quality at a certain level so they don't get flooded with demand that threatens quality. Colt sells the MARC 901 for $1750 retail. Highest quality parts ready for war. You honestly think DD knows more about the gun than Colt does? |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 8:43:21 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southfloridaguns:
Colt sells the MARC 901 for $1750 retail. Highest quality parts ready for war. You honestly think DD knows more about the gun than Colt does? |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 9:17:36 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman:
Oh yes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By southfloridaguns:
Colt sells the MARC 901 for $1750 retail. Highest quality parts ready for war. You honestly think DD knows more about the gun than Colt does? 100% dd knows more. Colt makes a very fine rack grade rifle to issues to the average grunt. Okay accuracy and a dependable rifle. DD makes a top notch gun that is hands down a more refined product than colt. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2017 11:13:58 PM EDT
[#17]
I want to remind you both that Colt built this gun in 1959.
All of the 7.62 guns even the new small frame types are copies of Colts. There are reports that the Colt 901 runs as reliable as an m4 and has 1 moa or better accuracy. Now back to the savage topic which does have a realistic price. |
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Posted: 2/4/2017 11:14:50 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southfloridaguns:
I want to remind you both that Colt built this gun in 1959. All of the 7.62 guns even the new small frame types are copies of Colts. There are reports that the Colt 901 runs as reliable as an m4 and has 1 moa or better accuracy. Now back to the savage topic which does have a realistic price. |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 12:52:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman:
Are you asserting that Colt today is the same as Colt circa 1959? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By southfloridaguns:
I want to remind you both that Colt built this gun in 1959. All of the 7.62 guns even the new small frame types are copies of Colts. There are reports that the Colt 901 runs as reliable as an m4 and has 1 moa or better accuracy. Now back to the savage topic which does have a realistic price. Sounds like it. Now let's get this thread back on topic before it turns into a pissing match. Are there any accuracy reports or claims being made? Wonder how the 6.5 will handle factory loads? |
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Posted: 2/7/2017 1:02:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815:
Sounds like it. Now let's get this thread back on topic before it turns into a pissing match. Are there any accuracy reports or claims being made? Wonder how the 6.5 will handle factory loads? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815:
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By southfloridaguns:
I want to remind you both that Colt built this gun in 1959. All of the 7.62 guns even the new small frame types are copies of Colts. There are reports that the Colt 901 runs as reliable as an m4 and has 1 moa or better accuracy. Now back to the savage topic which does have a realistic price. Sounds like it. Now let's get this thread back on topic before it turns into a pissing match. Are there any accuracy reports or claims being made? Wonder how the 6.5 will handle factory loads? |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 1:57:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman:
They're too new. I've been looking for reports. I heard they are not even going out to distributors till June. |
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Posted: 2/10/2017 7:18:40 PM EDT
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Demand for them has been unexpectedly high already.
I asked already. |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 2/11/2017 10:18:36 PM EDT
[#23]
Anyone done a review on one to see how accurate they have been?
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Posted: 2/11/2017 11:41:52 PM EDT
[#24]
The Hunter is listed as Mid+ gas system.
Wish this had about a 5 mil declinated rail. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:08:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Hunter is listed as Mid+ gas system. Wish this had about a 5 mil declinated rail. I'm actually glad it does not. Canted rails mess with 1-X optics at short range. I find the hunter version very tempting. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/13/2017 12:18:11 PM EDT
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For anyone wondering, the lack of gas port door on the hunter model was just a rushed photo session. the factory confirmed it will have a normal gas port door as shown on the long range model.
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:11:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lennyo3034:
I'm actually glad it does not. Canted rails mess with 1-X optics at short range. I find the hunter version very tempting. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lennyo3034:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Hunter is listed as Mid+ gas system. Wish this had about a 5 mil declinated rail. I'm actually glad it does not. Canted rails mess with 1-X optics at short range. I find the hunter version very tempting. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 2/13/2017 4:34:51 PM EDT
[#28]
So, summer for the MSR hunter?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/17/2017 2:22:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: southfloridaguns]
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlyingBengal:
So, summer for the MSR hunter? I wish a heavy hitting vendor would call and get some real timelines. That 16" 308 hunter for $1299 (price I'm seeing already) is going to be selling like crazy. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 10:07:54 AM EDT
[#30]
Has there been an update on availability?
Ive searched but can't find any info on a release date. I'm wondering if they will sell uppers separately, I'd like to get the 6.5 long range and buy a 308 hunter upper to swap back and forth. |
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Posted: 5/17/2017 1:09:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
Has there been an update on availability? Ive searched but can't find any info on a release date. I'm wondering if they will sell uppers separately, I'd like to get the 6.5 long range and buy a 308 hunter upper to swap back and forth. Uppers probably won't be available till they catch up with demand in a couple years. 
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/18/2017 5:43:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lennyo3034:
Canted rails mess with 1-X optics at short range. I'm not calling you out, I'm genuinely interested in what you have to say about it. |
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Posted: 5/18/2017 10:29:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lennyo3034]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brewsky101:
Please elaborate. RDS or LPV? First hand experience or repeating what someone else said? I'm not calling you out, I'm genuinely interested in what you have to say about it. I first noticed the anomaly when I had a Bushnell 1-8.5 mounted on a 20 MOA mount. When looking at an object at very close range (10 feet or so) on 1X I would actually see double objects with both eyes open. Then I saw the explanation by Optronika (Optical design group for S&B, Premier, many other high end scopes). Basically the eye looking through the lens is viewing the close object at an angle and your support eye views it straight. Your mind thinks it's two separate objects. Here is the post on SH on it. I think it was on Scout so it's now gone: "Originally Posted By: David S. Originally Posted By: GasLight When I have the scope on 1x, and I look through it at 50 yards I can see 2 targets, the image through the scope is noticably lower than view through my 'weak' eye. Are you running an angled base/mount? What you are seeing is a peculiarity with 1x scopes (any scope starting at 1.1x or 1x that allows binocular vision with both eyes open) that is an issue with all such scopes, yet I've never seen this talked about anywhere. The way a scope is constructed, the image you see will shift up or down when dialing elevation, so when looking "straight ahead" with both eyes open, there will be an offset between the "bare eye" image and the one the "scope eye" picks up. As long as this offset is small (meaning the scope being near optically centered), this is not an issue. The further you get from optical center, the harder it gets for the brain to get the two images to match. This is very much like looking through a misaligned pair of binoculars. (Note: this does not apply to red dot sights since they don't use an erector system like a scope). Normally, dialing large amounts of elevation only happens at longer ranges, but you'll use higher magnification at those longer ranges anyway, so no problem here. The problems start when putting such a scope on an inclined base/mount, because then you're way off optical center at short ranges. The same thing might happen if the base is crooked and lots of elevation/windage from optical center is necessary to zero the rifle, but since you are mentioning that the image through the scope is "lower", I'd guess there's a good bit of forward cant in your setup. Bottom line: Do not use an angled base/mount for a 1-Xx scope! It's not a fault of your individual scope but a result of being off optical center at short ranges. You will be able to "dial away" the effect by cranking in a couple mils of elevation (adjusting for long range). " In all fairness, I did not notice this at 50 yards, but I think I shut my eye more than I should have anyways. If you want to test it yourself try this at home: Put a small target on a white wall. 1/4" or so dot with a pencil will work fine. Look at it with both eyes open from 7-15 feet with your LPV on 1X. For me when I did this with a 20 MOA base, there were two obvious targets like I was seeing double. With a flat base, I did not have this issue. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/22/2017 3:49:04 AM EDT
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I picked up my hunter 308 this weekend. Trying to get a review going. One quick point, plan on throwing the plastic grip and stock in the trash. They are that bad. Not even worth keeping as spares. The trigger looks and feels like the silver BCM triggers. Bolt is matched to rifle with serial number. 6 position milspec extention. BCM and Colt stocks fit. BCM mod 3 grip fits.
Rail is slightly wider than KMR. Feels nice and rock solid. Gas block double set screws but staked. Upper / lower have set screw tension adjustment under grip. It pushes up nylon plug to remove receiver rattle. I've seen it used before but can't remember where. Castle nut was attempted to be staked but they missed. Hit it twice but missed each one. This is my first 308 ar. Do they all have firing pin springs and solid retaining pins? This one does and it's a major pain to take apart to clean. Might loosen with time. Why does the ar10 need a firing pin spring if the ar15 doesn't? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2017 2:48:37 PM EDT
[#35]
I don't own an AR10 style platform but the ones I have fondled have not had springs on the firing pins. My guess is they are worried about slam fires since most factory .308 is loaded with a bolt gun in mind and probably a softer primer. Makes for very cheap insurance on Savage's behalf.
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Posted: 5/24/2017 3:09:22 PM EDT
[#36]
Armalites have firing pin springs. I think LaRue may too.
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Posted: 5/24/2017 5:16:19 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ziarifleman:
Armalites have firing pin springs. I think LaRue may too. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 7:29:01 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southfloridaguns:
Colt sells the MARC 901 for $1750 retail. Highest quality parts ready for war. You honestly think DD knows more about the gun than Colt does? Colt doesn't want to keep paying royalties to LMT. |
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Posted: 5/27/2017 10:45:03 PM EDT
[#39]
Man the S&W seems a lot nicer to me.
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Posted: 8/27/2017 9:47:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LRRPF52:
I didn't see a sample of the 18" 6.5 Creedmoor there, only the MSR-10 long range, but their website shows an 18" gun that is likely the .308 version. I do not know yet whether the 6.5 Creedmoor 18" differs from it in gas system length, but I know they both come with adjustable gas from the factory, with a cylinder, not a choke on the port, and it's accessible through the handguard. http://i0.wp.com/www.grandviewoutdoors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Savage_MSR10_Hunter_3.jpg |
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Posted: 8/27/2017 1:05:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jefro:
anyone know if they plan on shipping the 6.5 hunter this year? dear season is coming fast and I have had one on back order for 6 months |
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USA
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Posted: 8/29/2017 10:55:46 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By southfloridaguns:
Colt sells the MARC 901 for $1750 retail. Highest quality parts ready for war. You honestly think DD knows more about the gun than Colt does? |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/28/2017 4:20:50 PM EDT
[#43]
What length does the 6.5 come in ?
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Posted: 9/28/2017 8:23:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BMGisbetter:
What length does the 6.5 come in ? |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 10/25/2017 3:02:45 PM EDT
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My 6.5CM LR shipped today. Should have it Monday.
Anyone shot theirs yet? |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 10:41:24 PM EDT
[#46]
No one has mentioned the left side non-reciprocating charging handle on the 2 long range models. That is a nice feature. I don't see many owners keeping the blackhawk 2 stage trigger.
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Posted: 11/22/2017 1:09:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jough43:
No one has mentioned the left side non-reciprocating charging handle on the 2 long range models. That is a nice feature. I don't see many owners keeping the blackhawk 2 stage trigger. Originally I was planning to put in a Larue trigger.. the factory trigger feels a lot like the Larue, I may keep it. It's a very nice trigger  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/22/2017 3:30:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Honorthevets]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder:
I just picked mine up tonight and got it set up. Originally I was planning to put in a Larue trigger.. the factory trigger feels a lot like the Larue, I may keep it. It's a very nice trigger https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/313055/37261E38-F44F-48CB-97E1-A8105BEA9560-369846.JPG  Nice rifle. I'm waiting the long range model to be available here in Italy. Based on your experience how would you rate the trigger pull? If It doesn't bother you could you take a picture of the BCG? Thank you for your imputs.
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Posted: 11/24/2017 9:27:40 PM EDT
[#49]
I checked out the Hunter model in 6.5 at my lgs. They got two of them in. Very nice rifle and for around 1k. This will be my next rifle. Based on reviews already out there ill probably be changing out the trigger and muzzle device but the rest is gtg
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Posted: 11/25/2017 9:42:14 PM EDT
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Sorry for the crappy pics, I was in the middle of doing a quick clean on the BCG
I got it out yesterday and today and got a rough zero, got the gas block adjusted and got a feel for it. It's a great shooting rifle and I'm amazed by the fact the trigger is factory. I can't see the point in putting in a after market trigger, it's really that good.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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