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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2018 3:34:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Red_Robin]
Hi all. I am currently building a Recce/SPR upper and I haven't decided on which barrel to go with. I'll be using a KMR-A 15" rail, Dead Air FH, Sandman S., Omega Forged Upper, & headspaced TC BCG. My primary goals for this upper are reliability & accuracy. I plan on running it suppressed & with factory Black Hills/IMI/CBC 77gr OTM 5.56, as well as 55gr XM193. I don't want to reload for this rifle. Price isn't really a problem, but it would be nice to have the following features:
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Posted: 8/8/2018 3:49:36 PM EDT
[#1]
Larue?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2018 3:57:29 PM EDT
[#2]
https://www.whiteoakarmament.com/16-sdm-barrel-1-7-twist.html
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2018 4:10:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Red_Robin]
[#3]
Both the WOA and LaRue Stealth offerings are chambered in .223 wylde. I'm looking for a 5.56 NATO chamber.
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Posted: 8/8/2018 8:09:49 PM EDT
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check out green mountain barrels also
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Posted: 8/8/2018 8:48:59 PM EDT
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Krieger, have them custom make what you want. They aren't cheap, but not as expensive as you would think.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2018 8:57:46 PM EDT
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Compass lake engineering is my go to for guaranteed accurate barrels. You can choose from Bartlein, Kreiger, Douglas blanks and they have stock options or can doing to your specs
Give Frank a call and he will get you fixed up |
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Posted: 8/8/2018 10:58:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkL1:
https://www.whiteoakarmament.com/16-sdm-barrel-1-7-twist.html |
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Posted: 8/9/2018 12:09:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jondelong:
Larue? |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 8/9/2018 1:42:28 AM EDT
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Dunno how stuck on a 5.56 chamber you are, but opening your search up to include Wylde will likely work just as fine while providing a good deal more options. If that’s a possibility, I’d go LaRue or WOA if I wanted the best bang for the buck, or have someone reputable like Precision Firearms/Craddock/CLE/etc cut you a good Bartlein/Kreiger if going all out. Everyone has their preferences here, but honestly unless you both handload and are an excellent shooter I doubt you’d see much difference with any brand in this post.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/9/2018 2:37:17 AM EDT
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I have that Wilson barrel... It's pretty damn nice. I definitely can't outshoot it for what it's worth.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/9/2018 3:41:37 PM EDT
[#11]
Thanks for the feedback guys, it's much appreciated.
Originally Posted By DonofKalifornia:
Krieger, have them custom make what you want. They aren't cheap, but not as expensive as you would think. Originally Posted By everready73:
Compass lake engineering is my go to for guaranteed accurate barrels. You can choose from Bartlein, Kreiger, Douglas blanks and they have stock options or can doing to your specs Give Frank a call and he will get you fixed up Originally Posted By winddummy82:
Originally Posted By MarkL1:
https://www.whiteoakarmament.com/16-sdm-barrel-1-7-twist.html |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/9/2018 3:42:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By doty_soty:
Dunno how stuck on a 5.56 chamber you are, but opening your search up to include Wylde will likely work just as fine while providing a good deal more options. If that’s a possibility, I’d go LaRue or WOA if I wanted the best bang for the buck, or have someone reputable like Precision Firearms/Craddock/CLE/etc cut you a good Bartlein/Kreiger if going all out. Everyone has their preferences here, but honestly unless you both handload and are an excellent shooter I doubt you’d see much difference with any brand in this post. Originally Posted By helmet91:
I have that Wilson barrel... It's pretty damn nice. I definitely can't outshoot it for what it's worth. |
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Posted: 8/9/2018 6:10:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Robin:
Thanks for the feedback guys, it's much appreciated. Looks like it'll $500 for that option, which isn't bad. However, they don't have 5.56 NATO as an option on chamber selection, and their bead blast finish is satin vs. matte. I just emailed them, waiting for a quote. Thanks! Looks like WOA will make this with a 5.56 NATO chamber for $50 more as a custom order, so $330 is very reasonable but it's still more than the Wilson Combat which is already chambered in 5.56 NATO. If it's a more precise barrel I'd pay the extra. Does anyone have feedback between the two? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Robin:
Thanks for the feedback guys, it's much appreciated. Originally Posted By DonofKalifornia:
Krieger, have them custom make what you want. They aren't cheap, but not as expensive as you would think. Originally Posted By everready73:
Compass lake engineering is my go to for guaranteed accurate barrels. You can choose from Bartlein, Kreiger, Douglas blanks and they have stock options or can doing to your specs Give Frank a call and he will get you fixed up Originally Posted By winddummy82:
Originally Posted By MarkL1:
https://www.whiteoakarmament.com/16-sdm-barrel-1-7-twist.html |
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USA
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Posted: 8/9/2018 6:27:55 PM EDT
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Centurion makes a nice RECCE/SPR barrel
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Posted: 8/10/2018 5:44:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: stanprophet09]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By helmet91:
I have that Wilson barrel... It's pretty damn nice. I definitely can't outshoot it for what it's worth. ETA: It is a 223 Wylde chamber SS in 1-8 twist. It ahoots 45-77 grain just fine. |
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Posted: 8/10/2018 6:38:37 AM EDT
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WOA
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USA
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Posted: 8/11/2018 10:52:48 PM EDT
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Really hard to beat White Oak.
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Posted: 8/12/2018 2:45:43 PM EDT
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White Oak Armament
Compass Lake Engineering Wilson Combat Larue Rainier Arms Shilen Lilja Criterion Noveske Krieger there are more, but any of these will serve you well. The problem isn't a lack of quality barrels. The problem is making up one's mind. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/13/2018 4:11:09 PM EDT
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Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it. I'm going to place a custom order within the next couple weeks. Which size gas port would be optimal for this build (16" middy, .750 profile, primarily suppressed but still reliable without a suppressor)?
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Posted: 8/14/2018 7:15:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: winddummy82]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Robin:
Thanks for the feedback guys, it's much appreciated. Looks like it'll $500 for that option, which isn't bad. However, they don't have 5.56 NATO as an option on chamber selection, and their bead blast finish is satin vs. matte. I just emailed them, waiting for a quote. Thanks! Looks like WOA will make this with a 5.56 NATO chamber for $50 more as a custom order, so $330 is very reasonable but it's still more than the Wilson Combat which is already chambered in 5.56 NATO. If it's a more precise barrel I'd pay the extra. Does anyone have feedback between the two? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Robin:
Thanks for the feedback guys, it's much appreciated. Originally Posted By DonofKalifornia:
Krieger, have them custom make what you want. They aren't cheap, but not as expensive as you would think. Originally Posted By everready73:
Compass lake engineering is my go to for guaranteed accurate barrels. You can choose from Bartlein, Kreiger, Douglas blanks and they have stock options or can doing to your specs Give Frank a call and he will get you fixed up Originally Posted By winddummy82:
Originally Posted By MarkL1:
https://www.whiteoakarmament.com/16-sdm-barrel-1-7-twist.html John Holliger from WOA will use any blank (kreiger, bartlein, compass lake, etc)you want. give him a call he is a great guy to do business with, very free and upfront with his knowledge. https://www.whiteoakarmament.com/  .223/5.56 - White Oak Armament 18" SPR Barrel Break-In and Accuracy Tests |
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Posted: 8/20/2018 10:50:10 PM EDT
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Bison Armory used to have a good rep in the Mk12 threads. They offer a lighter "Recon" and a heavier SPR-ish profile as well, both 16" Mid-gas. The heavier profile is set up for an Allen Eng AEM5/Ops 12th Model.
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Posted: 8/21/2018 8:44:00 AM EDT
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I would get chrome lined for the ease of cleaning and extra durability.
I have Criterion, White Oak, and LaRue barrels and I'm extremely happy with all of them. http://criterionbarrels.com/ar-15-hybrid Brownell's link |
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Posted: 8/23/2018 8:04:20 AM EDT
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I would like to add Black Hole Weaponry barrels to the pot here. I have one and a few a friends have them as well, they all shoot really well and sub moa. One of the best things with the company is you can spec out your barrel exactly how you want it, length, chamber, profile, gas system, fluting, finish, threads. You can spec out your perfect barrel and they will machine it.
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Posted: 8/29/2018 3:11:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Robin:
Both the WOA and LaRue Stealth offerings are chambered in .223 wylde. I'm looking for a 5.56 NATO chamber. In 15 years here I have never heard anyone bitching that a .223 Wylde chamber caused reliability issues with 5.56. |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 1:43:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spartacus2002:
.223 Wylde is designed to fit 5.56 and give better accuracy than a 5.56 chamber's dimensions. It was specifically designed for that, IIRC. In 15 years here I have never heard anyone bitching that a .223 Wylde chamber caused reliability issues with 5.56. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spartacus2002:
Originally Posted By Red_Robin:
Both the WOA and LaRue Stealth offerings are chambered in .223 wylde. I'm looking for a 5.56 NATO chamber. In 15 years here I have never heard anyone bitching that a .223 Wylde chamber caused reliability issues with 5.56. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2018 5:42:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spartacus2002:
.223 Wylde is designed to fit 5.56 and give better accuracy than a 5.56 chamber's dimensions. It was specifically designed for that, IIRC. In 15 years here I have never heard anyone bitching that a .223 Wylde chamber caused reliability issues with 5.56. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spartacus2002:
Originally Posted By Red_Robin:
Both the WOA and LaRue Stealth offerings are chambered in .223 wylde. I'm looking for a 5.56 NATO chamber. In 15 years here I have never heard anyone bitching that a .223 Wylde chamber caused reliability issues with 5.56. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2018 8:25:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Robin:
I will be the first to admit that I don't have first hand experience with the .223 Wylde, but I've read some threads that have claimed potential reliably issues because of the tighter tolerances (for instance, user Gamma762 has written a lot about it on this forum). My question is this: Is a .223 Wylde chamber less reliable with factory MK262 ammo than a 5.56 NATO chamber or does it not matter? |
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Posted: 9/2/2018 10:17:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GS5414]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Robin:
I will be the first to admit that I don't have first hand experience with the .223 Wylde, but I've read some threads that have claimed potential reliably issues because of the tighter tolerances (for instance, user Gamma762 has written a lot about it on this forum). My question is this: Is a .223 Wylde chamber less reliable with factory MK262 ammo than a 5.56 NATO chamber or does it not matter? There are issues out there with folks building guns with subpar parts, poor or mindless assembly, using absolute garbage for ammunition, etc. There’s also manufacturers that are not totally open and honest about what they are selling, or how things were tested. That is where you really hear of issues. Call up Compass Lake Engineering, for instance, and ask them about their assembly methods. Frank White is totally open about how he does everything, from timing gas ports, to setting headspace, to his parts suppliers. These are the type of businesses you really want to buy from. Summary - find a reputable manufacturer that specializes in a given part (barrels in this case), and buy a 223 Wylde chambered gun with confidence. CLE is my number one recommended source for what you seek. S/F |
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Posted: 9/2/2018 1:22:59 PM EDT
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I forgot to mention Precision Reflex Inc. (PRI), the make Mark 12 profile barrels in 1/7 and 1/8 twists, 16" or 18" long from Douglas blanks.
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Posted: 9/3/2018 11:40:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By everready73:
Compass lake engineering is my go to for guaranteed accurate barrels. You can choose from Bartlein, Kreiger, Douglas blanks and they have stock options or can doing to your specs Give Frank a call and he will get you fixed up I do have a original Noveske that is amazingly accuaratr that I will never sell. I’m and NOT a fan of Larue. WOA are a solid 8 and make a great barrel. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 9/14/2018 10:17:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MS556]
[#31]
Originally Posted By Red_Robin:
Hi all. I am currently building a Recce/SPR upper and I haven't decided on which barrel to go with. I'll be using a KMR-A 15" rail, Dead Air FH, Sandman S., Omega Forged Upper, & headspaced TC BCG. My primary goals for this upper are reliability & accuracy. I plan on running it suppressed & with factory Black Hills/IMI/CBC 77gr OTM 5.56, as well as 55gr XM193. I don't want to reload for this rifle. Price isn't really a problem, but it would be nice to have the following features:
Hits all your criteria, except its Wylde chamber, which is purposefully designed to bring match accuracy with NATO 5.56 ammo like Mk262 77 grain OTM. It is 416 stainless, 1:8 twist, pull button rifled, hand lapped, benchrest quality. 2.2 lbs., if I recall. $490 plus shipping. Mine shoots sub 1/2 MOA with Berger match bullets, either extreme, from 52 grain flat base to Berger's 77 OTM, over appropriately laddered loads of H-4895 in Lapua Match cases. Note that this is the original profile, so it is a carbine gas port location. It has a largish .080" port, but that will ensure reliable cycling with handloaded match ammo which can be lower pressure, especially my 52 Berger load. You can always use an adjustable gas block or run a heavier buffer if you shoot mostly full power 5.56 NATO. This is a benchrest quality barrel. It will test your own limits and those of the rest of the rifle's components. It is better than I am presently capable. |
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Posted: 10/28/2018 10:56:21 AM EDT
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I'm pretty sure the Daniel Defense S2W 16" barrel fits your criteria if you can find one. Mine is a quite accurate, reliable shooter.
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Posted: 10/28/2018 11:08:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wiseanhyzer:
I'm pretty sure the Daniel Defense S2W 16" barrel fits your criteria if you can find one. Mine is a quite accurate, reliable shooter. |
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Posted: 10/28/2018 1:21:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spartacus2002:
they don't make that anymore. There's a thread in their industry forum begging them to make it again. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spartacus2002:
Originally Posted By wiseanhyzer:
I'm pretty sure the Daniel Defense S2W 16" barrel fits your criteria if you can find one. Mine is a quite accurate, reliable shooter. |
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Posted: 10/28/2018 2:12:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wiseanhyzer:
Ah, that's a shame. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wiseanhyzer:
Originally Posted By spartacus2002:
Originally Posted By wiseanhyzer:
I'm pretty sure the Daniel Defense S2W 16" barrel fits your criteria if you can find one. Mine is a quite accurate, reliable shooter. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 10/29/2018 12:18:57 PM EDT
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Give some though to Odin Works
https://www.odinworks.com/223_Wylde_16_1_Intermid_p/b-223-16-int-tg.htm I have the 16" 1:8 twist barrel with the intermediate gas system. It also comes with a gas block and gas tube. My gun regularly shoots sub MOA groups and the combination of the intermediate length gas system and tuneable gas block make it very soft shooting |
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Posted: 10/30/2018 12:29:16 AM EDT
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All cans cause overgassed rifles. Noveske makes a switch block gas system that allows you to flip a lever for suppressed or unsuppressed fire. Get a PRI Gas Buster charging handle, it will help redirect gas away from your face and eyes.
.223 Wylde is stone reliable unless it's over 95° F outside and you're running full-auto. Only a handful of people have to worry about that. Frank White - CLE may be back logged right now because his business took a hit from the last hurricane. His work is top notch. Seriously buy any quality barrel. They will all work out fine. The only thing you may have to do is install a heavier buffer to slow the action down suppressed. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 10/30/2018 8:38:10 AM EDT
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223 Wylde chamber, so not exactly what you asked for, but this is a good deal nonetheless:
16" Proof Research Recce Barrel |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:19:21 AM EDT
[#39]
If you spend more than $250 on a barrel and get a 5.56 chamber you're throwing money away. A premium barrel needs a good chamber and 5.56 ain't it.
Wylde will not let you down. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 7:54:22 AM EDT
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Got an email the other day from WOA, they are now offering barrels from Bartlein blanks.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 3/9/2019 3:01:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BCOWANWHEELS]
[#41]
18-20 INCH , I PREFER DOUGLASS BARRELS FROM CLE. LIGHT WEIGHT. BECAUSE ITS SHOOT N SCOOT..........1 SHOT 1 HIT N GO A 20 INCH WILL KILL MOST FLASH THEN ADD A SMITH VORTEX DONE 77GRN
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Posted: 3/9/2019 4:09:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Red_Robin:
Both the WOA and LaRue Stealth offerings are chambered in .223 wylde. I'm looking for a 5.56 NATO chamber. |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 4:12:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BCOWANWHEELS:
18-20 INCH , I PREFER DOUGLASS BARRELS FROM CLE. LIGHT WEIGHT. BECAUSE ITS SHOOT N SCOOT..........1 SHOT 1 HIT N GO A 20 INCH WILL KILL MOST FLASH THEN ADD A SMITH VORTEX DONE 77GRN |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 7:32:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BCOWANWHEELS:
18-20 INCH , I PREFER DOUGLASS BARRELS FROM CLE. LIGHT WEIGHT. BECAUSE ITS SHOOT N SCOOT..........1 SHOT 1 HIT N GO A 20 INCH WILL KILL MOST FLASH THEN ADD A SMITH VORTEX DONE 77GRN 
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