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Posted: 2/17/2021 11:21:25 PM EDT
The guy next to me last weekend was shooting a 300 prc loaded with 215 Berger’s. At 600 yds with 15 mph wind at 2 o’clock I had dialed 2.5 minutes and stil got blown around. I was able to stay under 1moa for my best group but by the skin of my teeth. The guy next to me didn’t adjust and held dead on. He was maybe 3” left and dispersion was excellent.
Hmmmm. Discuss! |
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Posted: 2/17/2021 11:47:59 PM EDT
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What’s to discuss? It’s ballistics.
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Posted: 2/18/2021 12:03:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SpeyRod]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: What’s to discuss? It’s ballistics. What’s to discuss? You guys are supposed to talk my out of a new rifle! I put this Creedmoor together for my 600yd rifle and love it. But....... 
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Posted: 2/18/2021 12:06:29 AM EDT
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Just go ahead and buy a new rifle already.
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Posted: 2/18/2021 12:41:02 AM EDT
[#4]
6CM, 6 GT, 6BR, 6X47 and more and more. .
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Posted: 2/18/2021 12:41:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swar15: Just go ahead and buy a new rifle already. You aren’t helping! But in all seriousness. When I started hand loading 25 years ago my nature pushed me to ask the question, how good can my handloads be? I have researched ballistics since I could read. Two calibers have always held my attention, 6.5 and 308. I have multiple 6.5’s now and I have always wanted to load a 215-220 308 bullet in something. I understand the fundamentals of velocity, bc, sd and how bc changes over the trajectory of a projectile. But I am late to the game. I have two fused vertebrae and multiple issues with others. A week ago I attempted to shoot prone and while I was able to shoot an .78 moa challenge target with the Creedmoor, it was too painful to repeat. Simple fact is I am old and my body is fubar but I still love shooting! But then, I have an Alaska caribou hunt booked with my son for 2022. If I can manage the recoil of a prc or wm during practice it may be the caliber of choice. I’m rambling but then that’s what old fuckers do...
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Posted: 2/18/2021 12:43:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ACEB36TC: 6CM, 6 GT, 6BR, 6X47 and more and more. . Actually, the only bullets I can find locally are 108 6mm and the only loads are 6mm Creedmoor. But that 215 Berger is such a good bullet..... |
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Posted: 2/18/2021 12:44:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ACEB36TC: 6CM, 6 GT, 6BR, 6X47 and more and more. . |
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Posted: 2/18/2021 12:46:28 AM EDT
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Try and find anything 300 prc right now
 I don’t have my steel past 1400 right now so I’m not wasting my 300 prc stuff. |
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Posted: 2/18/2021 12:55:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slappomatt: I have a full custom 6Br that was disgraced by a stock $700 6.5c in heavy wind. Lol, the other side of the coin. I realize there is no one gun magic bullet. I guess learning to read wind and making those calls is my immediate opportunity. |
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Posted: 2/18/2021 2:10:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Glock63]
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no he didnt. A 15 mph 2 oclock wind will blow that 215 berger 18 to 20 inches at 600 yards. approx .8 to .9 mil correction.
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Posted: 2/18/2021 10:18:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glock63: no he didnt. A 15 mph 2 oclock wind will blow that 215 berger 18 to 20 inches at 600 yards. approx .8 to .9 mil correction. Damn him! I’ve been thinking about this since Sunday.! Lol Thanks for the little bit of truth. I never ran the numbers. But his dispersion was much better than mine. So... 
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Posted: 2/18/2021 12:40:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: Damn him! I’ve been thinking about this since Sunday.! Lol Thanks for the little bit of truth. I never ran the numbers. But his dispersion was much better than mine. So... So..... that means he shoots better or has a better load or both. Simple. |
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Posted: 2/18/2021 1:47:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: Damn him! I’ve been thinking about this since Sunday.! Lol Thanks for the little bit of truth. I never ran the numbers. But his dispersion was much better than mine. So... Staying sub moa at 600 with that kind of wind is solid shooting no matter how you cut it. Well done! |
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Posted: 2/18/2021 4:25:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rob01: So..... that means he shoots better or has a better load or both. Simple. No way!
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Posted: 2/18/2021 4:26:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glock63: Staying sub moa at 600 with that kind of wind is solid shooting no matter how you cut it. Well done! Only my best group was sub Mia the others were >< over. |
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Posted: 2/18/2021 4:38:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: No way!  |
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Posted: 2/19/2021 7:38:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: You aren’t helping! But in all seriousness. When I started hand loading 25 years ago my nature pushed me to ask the question, how good can my handloads be? I have researched ballistics since I could read. Two calibers have always held my attention, 6.5 and 308. I have multiple 6.5’s now and I have always wanted to load a 215-220 308 bullet in something. I understand the fundamentals of velocity, bc, sd and how bc changes over the trajectory of a projectile. But I am late to the game. I have two fused vertebrae and multiple issues with others. A week ago I attempted to shoot prone and while I was able to shoot an .78 moa challenge target with the Creedmoor, it was too painful to repeat. Simple fact is I am old and my body is fubar but I still love shooting! But then, I have an Alaska caribou hunt booked with my son for 2022. If I can manage the recoil of a prc or wm during practice it may be the caliber of choice. I’m rambling but then that’s what old fuckers do... Sounds like you need to either buy or cry! Give your wife the checkbook!  Yeah there is days I miss my .300WM and then I remember setting my barrel back a couple of times after a few hundred rounds.
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Posted: 2/20/2021 12:08:45 AM EDT
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IMO, unless you shot his rifle in those conditions and got the same results he did, I'd stick with the 6.5CM and just keep shooting. All bullets drift the same amount per second. All you're doing is sending it faster to beat the wind. So just learn how the 6.5 works.
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Posted: 2/20/2021 1:49:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: QtrMOA]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: But in all seriousness. When I started hand loading 25 years ago my nature pushed me to ask the question, how good can my handloads be? How good can handholds be? My 6.5 "aggressive" load is 2900 FPS 140 Berger Hybrid (Lapua Brass, BR4 Primer) with SD's of under 10 FPS for 10 shots. I tune it down for most of my shooting to 2810 FPS, with the same SDs. 600 yards is nothing for a properly-loaded 6.5. In fact, IPSC targets at 1250 tend not to be too difficult unless the wind is particularly nasty. Buying a new gun is always an easy decision, because the answer is "yes". However, buying new optics sucks, because they're not fun and they generally cost more than the gun. |
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Posted: 2/28/2021 11:37:33 AM EDT
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I to like to substitute skill with gear. Really though I have a 300prc but it’s more in a hunting rig. Going out blasting steel or shooting matches with 30 cal magnum rounds gets pricey. I always love seeing the guys at matches shooting 223 and crushing dudes. A good shooter is a good shooter.
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Posted: 2/28/2021 5:22:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: I to like to substitute skill with gear. Really though I have a 300prc but it’s more in a hunting rig. Going out blasting steel or shooting matches with 30 cal magnum rounds gets pricey. I always love seeing the guys at matches shooting 223 and crushing dudes. A good shooter is a good shooter. I brought my 223 to today’s shoot. I forgot how fun it was to shoot at 600. |
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Posted: 7/27/2021 9:42:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: I brought my 223 to today’s shoot. I forgot how fun it was to shoot at 600. I was shooting at 600 this last weekend with my 20” 6.5 Grendel mini action, 10-12mph full value wind at the pits, guttering switchback wind everywhere else.. Everyone else on the line had 6.5CM or in one case a monster 300WM, all with brakes. Yeah those guys had more consistent hits but I had more fun…  I get the thrill of shooting a laser and seeing tiny bugholes at long distance, but I’ll take having to make good wind calls to make good hits any day of the week. |
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Posted: 7/27/2021 10:21:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: I brought my 223 to today’s shoot. I forgot how fun it was to shoot at 600. Shot a few day match and one of the guy’s was rolling a 223. Went 3 for 3 at 1360 on a bear target. Was legit. |
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Posted: 7/27/2021 9:17:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: Shot a few day match and one of the guy’s was rolling a 223. Went 3 for 3 at 1360 on a bear target. Was legit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RePp: Originally Posted By SpeyRod: I brought my 223 to today’s shoot. I forgot how fun it was to shoot at 600. Shot a few day match and one of the guy’s was rolling a 223. Went 3 for 3 at 1360 on a bear target. Was legit. I don’t doubt this. The 80gr ELDM has surprised me. |
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Posted: 7/29/2021 8:03:13 PM EDT
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You should try it with the new 220 Bergers.
And save your self money and just re-barrel any mag action rifle you have, like 300 win mag. they are both the same bolt face. |
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Posted: 8/7/2021 12:06:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lost_Phil: You should try it with the new 220 Bergers. And save your self money and just re-barrel any mag action rifle you have, like 300 win mag. they are both the same bolt face. My only mag action rifle is a pre 64 300 h&h supergrade. I think I will keep it in original condition. I did order a GAP custom but didn’t man up to a 30. I wussed out and ordered a 6.5c. I’ll keep lusting for a 30 but want an every day shooter right now. |
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