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Posted: 10/10/2019 3:18:29 PM EDT
Would a 26 inch 1:12 twist be fast enough to stabilize 175s?
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I used to make 4140 & 4150, now I make Cu alloys.
OH, USA
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
Would a 26 inch 1:12 twist be fast enough to stabilize 175s? View Quote |
Never follow anyone shorter than you; they can walk under things that you can't.
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[#2]
Most likely. FPNI strikes again.
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Yup and 178s too.
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Any type that might work better than others?
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@AKsala ~ With white privilege comes white responsibility.
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Trophy Hunter & Wilderness Hunter and Angler
WY, USA
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A real 1 MOA All Day shooter.
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I used to make 4140 & 4150, now I make Cu alloys.
OH, USA
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My rifle shoots Sierra TMK’s very well.
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Never follow anyone shorter than you; they can walk under things that you can't.
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[#7]
Try the 178 ELD-M. Excellent bullet.
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I used 185 Juggernauts in my 12 twist @sea level with no issues or apparent BC degradation.
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[Last Edit: FighterFixer1]
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
Would a 26 inch 1:12 twist be fast enough to stabilize 175s? View Quote My FN SPR A1 24" 1:12 would shoot bugholes with 175 SMKs and 178 ELD-M. That rifle made ringing the 10" gong at 1K look easy. At closer ranges, I once shot a quarter at 200 yards. My buddy gave me some crap about 'how many shots did that take?' so I had him put a quarter downrange. I hit it 5 for 5. I still have the quarter as a souvenir of a great range day. On the other side of the coin (pun--LOL), my Rem 700 26" 1:12 will shoot fairly tight groups with 168 SMKs and Hornady 168 BTHPM....but if I load the mag with anything heavier, it looks like I shot the target with a Mini 30. Factory 175 FGMM shoots about 2 MOA and factory 168 FGMM shoots under 1 MOA. My best 178 ELD loads are shooting 1.5-2 MOA while my best 168 BTHPM loads are .5-.75 MOA. I've tried 3 different powders--4064, Varget and 4895-- 10 charge weights with each powder, fully prepped LC LR and Federal Match brass and I've played with the seating depth. COALs from 2.800" all the way to 2.950" that I have to single load because they don't fit the mags. Nothing worked. I know it's not me, or a bedding problem, or a scope issue because I have shot back-to-back groups--175/178 gr groups are always embarrassingly huge and the 168s are nice and tight. My Remington just doesn't like the heavier bullets. On the bright side, this gives me the excuse I needed to rebarrel it to 6.5 to take advantage of the 1760 yard station my club just opened |
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Gotta be a reason AI switched from 12 to 10 for a lot of its .308s. If I had a choice, I'd go with 10. Although 12 would probably get job done with a 26" barrel.
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JBM's length library shows the SMK at 1.240" long which matches Berger's Twist calculator default. The calculator says it has a stability factor over 1.5.
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For my .308 barrels I like an 11 twist. Will stabilize anything I will put in a .308. Have had 10s too over the years and they worked fine also.
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http://www.teamblaster.net
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Trophy Hunter & Wilderness Hunter and Angler
WY, USA
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A real 1 MOA All Day shooter.
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Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
I remember reading an article that over stabilization helps with the transonic transition. Thoughts? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
Originally Posted By Rob01:
For my .308 barrels I like an 11 twist. Will stabilize anything I will put in a .308. Have had 10s too over the years and they worked fine also. Thoughts? |
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Trophy Hunter & Wilderness Hunter and Angler
WY, USA
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Agreed.
VLD bullets are horrible going transonic IME. |
A real 1 MOA All Day shooter.
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http://www.teamblaster.net
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Trophy Hunter & Wilderness Hunter and Angler
WY, USA
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A real 1 MOA All Day shooter.
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[Last Edit: Rob01]
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I shoot the ELD Ms and no issues. Same as the AMAX before them.
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http://www.teamblaster.net
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Trophy Hunter & Wilderness Hunter and Angler
WY, USA
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[Last Edit: Skg_Mre_Lght]
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A real 1 MOA All Day shooter.
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I shoot them in bolt guns and have shot them to almost 1400 yards at max 3600 feet asl. Velocities are around 2700fps on average.
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http://www.teamblaster.net
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Trophy Hunter & Wilderness Hunter and Angler
WY, USA
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A real 1 MOA All Day shooter.
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20-24". 20" is around 2695 and the 24 is around 2760.
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What about bullet length?
I was reading shorter bullets don't need as fast of a twist rate? |
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@AKsala ~ With white privilege comes white responsibility.
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Trophy Hunter & Wilderness Hunter and Angler
WY, USA
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[Last Edit: Skg_Mre_Lght]
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
What about bullet length? I was reading shorter bullets don't need as fast of a twist rate? View Quote This is why most 22-250s and 220 Swifts come from the factory with 1 in 12" and 1 in 14" twist for the 40 to 50 grain projectiles favored by varminters. You need a faster twist to stabilize a chain link fence post than you do a beer can. |
A real 1 MOA All Day shooter.
NRA Patron Life Member |
I used to make 4140 & 4150, now I make Cu alloys.
OH, USA
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[#25]
Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
What about bullet length? I was reading shorter bullets don't need as fast of a twist rate? View Quote |
Never follow anyone shorter than you; they can walk under things that you can't.
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Trophy Hunter & Wilderness Hunter and Angler
WY, USA
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A real 1 MOA All Day shooter.
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Has anyone tried match burners with any success?
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@AKsala ~ With white privilege comes white responsibility.
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I think 1/12 twist only starts to become an issue with the plus 200 grain bullets. I say this based on my experience with a 1/12 twist rifle in 300 WM. It shoots up to 195 grain bullets with very good accuracy, but I haven't been able to develop a 208 or 220 grain load with a high quality bullet that achieves similar sub moa accuracy.
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