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Posted: 9/7/2019 10:50:40 AM EDT
I built a pistol to use during alternative season and need to get a good hunting round for white-tail.
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Heard a lot of good things about the Hornady 123g SST load. Im hoping to get a chance to try it out this year.
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Heard a lot of good things about the Hornady 123g SST load. Im hoping to get a chance to try it out this year. View Quote The Doe I shot with my sst, had a 30 cal hole going in, and a 30 cal hole going out.I never recovered the bullet, but expansion must have been minimal. If the deer had not rubbed blood against tall grass, I would not have recovered her. There was absolutely no blood trail drops. |
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120 Federal Fusion is what I use. Took a nice 8pt last year from a 12.5 in Grendel.
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I have used the 115gr Fusion load in my 6.8 SPC rifle with great results. The Fusion is a good performer, it expands well, and doesn't leave your wallet hurting. There is a 120gr 6.5 Grendel load the Federal offers, I doubt you would have any complaints using it if you do your part with concerns to shot placement.
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Is the SST a hollow-point?
Is the Fusion a hollow-point? Where are you finding your rounds? I cannot find any on line. Went to Bass Pro this morning and they didn't have a single 6.5 Grendel round in the store. Thanks |
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123 SST from my 6.5 Grendel. I’ve got a buck and 3 hogs all from @ 100 yards. 16” barrel.
It’s the only round I have shot in that rifle. |
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Is the 120gr Fusion available as a reloading component?
SST is the standard answer, OP. I really wish Hornady would make the ELD-X in a 123gr variety. |
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I shot the 123gr SST last year. I won't be using it this year.
The first buck I shot was at 35 yards. The bullet exploded when it clipped the back of the shoulder. Hardly anything made it to the vitals, but it destroyed that shoulder. I finally killed him after a half mile tracking job. I process my own deer, so I saw exactly what happened. The second buck was at about 150 yards. He was running angled away from me. I intended to put the bullet a little further back because of the angle, but I hit him further back than I wanted due to him running. The bullet went in a few inches behind his last rib angled up toward his front. It hit ribs on the opposite side. That is the only bone it hit, but the bullet still didn't exit. I found it in the hide. It killed the buck quickly (less than 50 yards), but I would have liked an exit wound. There was no blood trail. This year I'm switching to 120gr Fusion. The 62gr worked incredibly well from a .223, so I'm hoping the 120gr version will do equally well. |
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I shot the 123gr SST last year. I won't be using it this year. The first buck I shot was at 35 yards. The bullet exploded when it clipped the back of the shoulder. Hardly anything made it to the vitals, but it destroyed that shoulder. I finally killed him after a half mile tracking job. I process my own deer, so I saw exactly what happened. The second buck was at about 150 yards. He was running angled away from me. I intended to put the bullet a little further back because of the angle, but I hit him further back than I wanted due to him running. The bullet went in a few inches behind his last rib angled up toward his front. It hit ribs on the opposite side. That is the only bone it hit, but the bullet still didn't exit. I found it in the hide. It killed the buck quickly (less than 50 yards), but I would have liked an exit wound. There was no blood trail. This year I'm switching to 120gr Fusion. The 62gr worked incredibly well from a .223, so I'm hoping the 120gr version will do equally well. View Quote Where do you find the Fusion? I'm having a difficult time doing so. |
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Quoted: I ordered it from Target Sports USA. View Quote I just went to their website and it is out of stock. So is: Cabelas, midwest, SGAMMO, and a half dozen other on line providers who say they carry it but are out of stock. Since my last post I've searched again and then finally called Federal [that is a 'trip' trying to find their phone number and then being passed around to 4 different people]. Finally learned that their next production run for this caliber is scheduled for Oct. 23, 2019. That is subject to change. BTW, part number [which is needed to talk w/ them] is F65GDLMSR1 Guess I'll have to be patient Thankfully, alternative season doesn't start until 12/28 in MO. |
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Thanks, I just went to their website and it is out of stock. So is: Cabelas, midwest, SGAMMO, and a half dozen other on line providers who say they carry it but are out of stock. Since my last post I've searched again and then finally called Federal [that is a 'trip' trying to find their phone number and then being passed around to 4 different people]. Finally learned that their next production run for this caliber is scheduled for Oct. 23, 2019. That is subject to change. BTW, part number [which is needed to talk w/ them] is F65GDLMSR1 Guess I'll have to be patient Thankfully, alternative season doesn't start until 12/28 in MO. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: I ordered it from Target Sports USA. I just went to their website and it is out of stock. So is: Cabelas, midwest, SGAMMO, and a half dozen other on line providers who say they carry it but are out of stock. Since my last post I've searched again and then finally called Federal [that is a 'trip' trying to find their phone number and then being passed around to 4 different people]. Finally learned that their next production run for this caliber is scheduled for Oct. 23, 2019. That is subject to change. BTW, part number [which is needed to talk w/ them] is F65GDLMSR1 Guess I'll have to be patient Thankfully, alternative season doesn't start until 12/28 in MO. |
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After shooting a deer with my 300BO pistol using a sst, I wouldn't count in them.My humble opinion, with pistol velocities, I think the Barnes are a better choice.I have witnessed several deer shot with the Barnes Tac bullets, and the results have been impressive. The Doe I shot with my sst, had a 30 cal hole going in, and a 30 cal hole going out.I never recovered the bullet, but expansion must have been minimal. If the deer had not rubbed blood against tall grass, I would not have recovered her. There was absolutely no blood trail drops. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Heard a lot of good things about the Hornady 123g SST load. Im hoping to get a chance to try it out this year. The Doe I shot with my sst, had a 30 cal hole going in, and a 30 cal hole going out.I never recovered the bullet, but expansion must have been minimal. If the deer had not rubbed blood against tall grass, I would not have recovered her. There was absolutely no blood trail drops. On Topic: From several folks I’ve who’ve used SSTs they were happy with the massive expansion. A couple didn’t get full penetration through the opposite side, but they still had massive internal organ damage. I intend on using SSTs this year myself. |
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I've shot deer and antelope out to 550 with my 16 inch grendel using amax and sst. Both worked very well. I find if you put a bullet through heart or lungs they work well.
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So... any information on a 6.5 Grendel going supersonic and not a completely different caliber? For that matter, even a round manufactured by Hornady? As currently their listings don’t show an SST loading in 300BLK. So your idea is to blast Hornadys ammunition by saying a reload from some other manufacturer like Fiocchi didn’t cut the mustard? Gotcha... On Topic: From several folks I’ve who’ve used SSTs they were happy with the massive expansion. A couple didn’t get full penetration through the opposite side, but they still had massive internal organ damage. I intend on using SSTs this year myself. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Heard a lot of good things about the Hornady 123g SST load. Im hoping to get a chance to try it out this year. The Doe I shot with my sst, had a 30 cal hole going in, and a 30 cal hole going out.I never recovered the bullet, but expansion must have been minimal. If the deer had not rubbed blood against tall grass, I would not have recovered her. There was absolutely no blood trail drops. On Topic: From several folks I’ve who’ve used SSTs they were happy with the massive expansion. A couple didn’t get full penetration through the opposite side, but they still had massive internal organ damage. I intend on using SSTs this year myself. |
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I haven't shot a deer yet with one but I hear good things about the Hornady 123 gr. ELD-X.
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6.5 Grendel is kind of new. But finding a comparable cartridge is easy....
For literally decades the Tompson Contender crowd has been handgun hunting deer. A whole cottage industry popped up to support that group. JDJones, same guy who invented the 300 Whisper, invented a whole bunch of contender cartridges. The best of the lot was frequently considered the 6.5 JDJ. A .225 Win case, blown out and shouldered, necked to 6.5 mm... It fired a 120 125 grn bullet at aboyt 2400 2450 in a 14" bbl. Sound familiar? Those are virtually identical to 6.5 Grendel.... The best load in the 6.5 jdj was a 6.5mm Nosler Ballistic Tip. I think its a 120 grainer. The BT is a 'soft' bullet, and opens very well at low speeds. And 2400 fps myzzle velocity is low speed. Thus bullet will do well in the Grendel. The bullet doesn't care if its fired out of a Super 14 Contender or out of a 6.5 G AR15. If its a 6.5mm 120 grain BT, going 2400 fps, its going to act identically. This load has been stellar for 40 years on whitetails. It will work in your 6.5 G |
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I previously posted support for the Black, but by most recent shot at 95 yards was perfect, but there was zero blood. None. I was lucky I stumbled upon her 25 yards away in the dark. Huge, instantaneous expansion but no pass through.
Trying to find Fusions in stock is like hen’s teeth. |
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I have a sample of 1, but for what it's worth. Large doe broadside at 80 yds. High shoulder shot, punched both shoulders, exit wound was about golf ball size. Massive damage in chest cavity, but very little blood shot meat. Deer just folded up and never twitched. Factory Hornady custom 123gr SST from 20" barreled Howa mini bolt action.
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Killed a bull elk at 30 ish yards with a 123 gr sst thru an 18 in 5r barrel.
got the ammo thru SGAMMO |
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Anyone have any experience with 6.5 Grendel Prvi Partizan 120 Grain HP BT Hollow Point Ammo - PP6GH?
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Targetsportsusa is the only place I can find any ratings on the PP and it only had 3 but they were all 5 starts out of 5.
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/prvi-partizan-6-5-grendel-ammo-120-grain-hollow-point-boat-tail-pp6gh-p-110116.aspx#reviews |
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I use Hornady 123gr eld-m with both my LaRue 6.5 grendel and Howa Mini Action. Defender Ammunition makes a load using a 123gr SMK which I'm really interested in trying out.
https://www.defenderammunition.com/products/6-5-grendel |
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I've started loading with 100gr Nosler Ballistic Tips and been very happy with them. This is out of a bolt action.
I went through some others years back before I discovered these that I wasn't happy with, for either accuracy or terminal ballistics reasons. Wish I could remember the specifics. |
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I have been using 123 SST from my 12.5 Grendel for several years. A couple coyotes, 4 deer, and a couple dozen hogs later, I’m still pretty happy. Very accurate and lots of expansion.
A little too much expansion at close ranges for deer, as I’ve not had an exit wound yet. All that energy gets dumped into the animal however, and a shot to the vitals turns the lungs to jelly. Very little blood trail as a result, but I’ve not had a deer travel more than 20 yards, so I’m ok with the trade-off. |
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123 SST
My homie @TGE just got some 120 Gold Dots which I believe are what's used the factory Fusion ammo. |
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Yep, I've been a fan of the Fusion rounds, and Gold Dot bullets. Have recovered several of the 223 bullets from deer and like the expansion and damage.
The 120gr out of the 6.5G seem to perform well on hogs. It's tough to say since I don't dress the animals, but I think they're as good as anything else and accurate in my gun. Knocked down a big boar at almost 250 yards a couple weeks ago. I have shot ELDs and SSTs, and right now I like the Gold Dot/Fusion the best for game. |
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Quoted: Is the 120gr Fusion available as a reloading component? SST is the standard answer, OP. I really wish Hornady would make the ELD-X in a 123gr variety. View Quote I don’t believe the fusion is available but the Speer gold dot is and they may be the same bullet. I also would love an ELDX 123 grain. The new tacTX looks awesome as well. |
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The new Barnes Tac TX 115 should be a sweet round.
For reloading and killing slightly larger game I would do the 129 Nosler ABLR. If fired at 2400 it retains 1900fps and 1k ft lbs at 400 yards. They also expand down to 1300 fps so that should take you to 1000 yards with expansion. Not advised for game but more possibilities if there is a sweet deer at 5 or 600. |
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Speer Gold Dot and Federal Fusion use the same bullets - Speer Gold Dots.
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Quoted: Is the SST a hollow-point? Is the Fusion a hollow-point? Where are you finding your rounds? I cannot find any on line. Went to Bass Pro this morning and they didn't have a single 6.5 Grendel round in the store. Thanks View Quote The SST is a ballistic tip Fusions are an exposed lead tipped bullet that have the lead fused to the jacket. Kinda like a bonded bullet but not quite. |
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123 grain ELD-M’s put them down hard. Shot a buck at 50 yards last year with them. He piled up 30 yards from where he was hit and his lungs poured out on the ground like soup when we got him to the processor. It was a pass through, so I wasn’t able to recover the bullet. I may try the SST’s this year, but after seeing that performance, I may stick with what I have.
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Federal Fusion 120 grain gets my vote--×100! Tried just about all factory loads for Grendel and the Fusions were definitely the most accurate not to mention the bullets work great on deer.
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