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[#1]
How much?
I wish I lived somewhere with trees and needed an axe. But it's also nice living somewhere or a half a cord keeps me warm through the winter. |
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[#3]
Ick. That would be literally the last axe I would ever pick. No weight to the poll=no thanks. Its a heavy duty Norse Hawk, which only barely edges out Coghlans hatchets.
Was getting excited reading the specs, but that design means my money is safe. |
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Ick. That would be literally the last axe I would ever pick. No weight to the poll=no thanks. Its a heavy duty Norse Hawk, which only barely edges out Coghlans hatchets. Was getting excited reading the specs, but that design means my money is safe. View Quote The profile of the edge is nothing like a Norse Hawk or any Cold Steel products. The fact that there is no pole weight is why I mentioned the fact that this axe was very stable, both in flight and in the cut. |
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It isn't surprising that a 24" long axe had an advantage. The problem is that I don't see real cheeks, or a shape that would give it proper stability. I can cut fine with no poll weight for a while, it just takes more care, and is more prone to glancing in certain situations. It looks like a geometry that tends to stick, and I prefer less curve in the bit.
I am interested to know what the axe was actually designed for. Almost looks it should be for cultivating ultra soft wood, like some kind of tropical tree, or maybe its fruit. |
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It isn't surprising that a 24" long axe had an advantage. The problem is that I don't see real cheeks, or a shape that would give it proper stability. I can cut fine with no poll weight for a while, it just takes more care, and is more prone to glancing in certain situations. It looks like a geometry that tends to stick, and I prefer less curve in the bit. I am interested to know what the axe was actually designed for. Almost looks it should be for cultivating ultra soft wood, like some kind of tropical tree, or maybe its fruit. View Quote Never mind. Sorry I bothered you with a review of actual observations. |
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It isn't surprising that a 24" long axe had an advantage. The problem is that I don't see real cheeks, or a shape that would give it proper stability. I can cut fine with no poll weight for a while, it just takes more care, and is more prone to glancing in certain situations. It looks like a geometry that tends to stick, and I prefer less curve in the bit. I am interested to know what the axe was actually designed for. Almost looks it should be for cultivating ultra soft wood, like some kind of tropical tree, or maybe its fruit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
It isn't surprising that a 24" long axe had an advantage. The problem is that I don't see real cheeks, or a shape that would give it proper stability. I can cut fine with no poll weight for a while, it just takes more care, and is more prone to glancing in certain situations. It looks like a geometry that tends to stick, and I prefer less curve in the bit. I am interested to know what the axe was actually designed for. Almost looks it should be for cultivating ultra soft wood, like some kind of tropical tree, or maybe its fruit. Italy - Forestry. The major portion of the 10 million ha (24.7 million acres) of forest is in the Alpine areas of northern Italy; few extensive forests grow in central or southern Italy or on the islands. Italy has more softwood than hardwood growth and extensive coppice (thicket and small shrub) stands. |
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Quoted: So I point out that with this edge geometry it won't stick..... it's like I'm talking to myself. I point out it made short work of dead dry ash.......its like I'm talking to myself. Never mind. Sorry I bothered you with a review of actual observations. View Quote Thank you for the review. If there are quite a few knowledgeable people that agree after significant use, I may be interested in trying one despite their appearance of limited utility. |
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Quoted: I was under the impression they were used with billhooks for coppicing. http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Europe/Italy-FORESTRY.html View Quote Will read more of the links later tonight. |
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If we were out together, and you had one, I would try it to see if I liked it. A review by someone of unknown skills that flies in the face of what the tool appears to do isn't especially convincing. Thank you for the review. If there are quite a few knowledgeable people that agree after significant use, I may be interested in trying one despite their appearance of limited utility. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: So I point out that with this edge geometry it won't stick..... it's like I'm talking to myself. I point out it made short work of dead dry ash.......its like I'm talking to myself. Never mind. Sorry I bothered you with a review of actual observations. Thank you for the review. If there are quite a few knowledgeable people that agree after significant use, I may be interested in trying one despite their appearance of limited utility. |
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Quoted: Folks here used to love my axe threads. Before the Photobucket apocalypse I had around 1000 pictures here in my threads about my axe collection and reviews on the various weight to head ratios and the edge profile work I did. Unfortunately much of that was lost. View Quote Anyways, I do enjoy a good axe thread, but actually prefer a nice consolidated thread with lots of information and a few pictures, apposed to a different thread about each different axe, or knife etc. I guess I prefer an annual Cabela's catalog over a weekly mail flyer as well. That's one reason I usually piggy back off another's thread with a long winded post and some compiled information. If I think its pertinent to the thread I add it, if not I read and click away. I don't really care what people think about my opinion, because its my opinion, and they have theirs. If they don't like my knife choice I am not going to get all pissy because they don't agree. I may defend my choice through some debate and what not, but in reality its the internet and I don't care that much. Having been around these forums and threads as long as some of us have hopefully we can realize its always going to be more of the same, with some good information here and there. There are only so many survival topics. I for one am glad that there are still a few good forums standing. Most people I know personally don't use forums anymore and its all about social media, which I don't use, and can't stand! That's one reason I stick around, and keep posting. I want my favorite form of internet reading to stay alive. It is interesting how our minds, likes, and chosen gear eventually goes full circle? I remember when you were all about the kukri or some other style big blade? and various choppers? Didn't you carry a tomahawk in your travel gear for a while as well? Then once you start to dabble in axes its all over. I forced myself to stop buying them. I have no realistic use for over a dozen axes. Same thing for blades. I started out with bigger choppers then a Glock field knife (which I still love) then over to a Mora for a few years, then on to custom blades like adventure sworn. A bit after that I wondered what the heck I was doing spending that kind of money on a knife and went back to a Mora. Then bounced back and forth with a few various SAK. Then I jumped on a Less Stroud blade which I still like, but my current go to blade is an leather stacked handle Ontario Air Force survival knife. Fell in love with that thing for some reason. Paired with a good SAK and axe or saw there isn't much you can't do in the woods, from a bushcraft or survival mindset. I still like my hawks and axes, but I don't use them to much anymore, maybe my Council Tool Hudson bay when out on the wheeler gathering firewood, or a small hatchet but that's about it these days. Axe is for fun, or backup, chainsaw is for real Especially when you heat your house with that burnable wood stuff that comes from trees. |
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Quoted: I too had more pictures than I can count, posted in more threads than I can count. I wouldn't even use photobucket again if they paid me to. In the past year or two I have only posted a couple pictures in any of the forums I frequent, and that's using their upload system. I won't waste time uploading and linking photos to a forum, from third party host anymore. Well I do use one for adv rider on some tag threads, but only because they don't have an upload option. No more than a few per year though, because photobucket sure taught us that 3rd party pic hosting is only temporary. Anyways, I do enjoy a good axe thread, but actually prefer a nice consolidated thread with lots of information and a few pictures, apposed to a different thread about each different axe, or knife etc. I guess I prefer an annual Cabela's catalog over a weekly mail flyer as well. That's one reason I usually piggy back off another's thread with a long winded post and some compiled information. If I think its pertinent to the thread I add it, if not I read and click away. I don't really care what people think about my opinion, because its my opinion, and they have theirs. If they don't like my knife choice I am not going to get all pissy because they don't agree. I may defend my choice through some debate and what not, but in reality its the internet and I don't care that much. Having been around these forums and threads as long as some of us have hopefully we can realize its always going to be more of the same, with some good information here and there. There are only so many survival topics. I for one am glad that there are still a few good forums standing. Most people I know personally don't use forums anymore and its all about social media, which I don't use, and can't stand! That's one reason I stick around, and keep posting. I want my favorite form of internet reading to stay alive. It is interesting how our minds, likes, and chosen gear eventually goes full circle? I remember when you were all about the kukri or some other style big blade? and various choppers? Didn't you carry a tomahawk in your travel gear for a while as well? Then once you start to dabble in axes its all over. I forced myself to stop buying them. I have no realistic use for over a dozen axes. Same thing for blades. I started out with bigger choppers then a Glock field knife (which I still love) then over to a Mora for a few years, then on to custom blades like adventure sworn. A bit after that I wondered what the heck I was doing spending that kind of money on a knife and went back to a Mora. Then bounced back and forth with a few various SAK. Then I jumped on a Less Stroud blade which I still like, but my current go to blade is an leather stacked handle Ontario Air Force survival knife. Fell in love with that thing for some reason. Paired with a good SAK and axe or saw there isn't much you can't do in the woods, from a bushcraft or survival mindset. I still like my hawks and axes, but I don't use them to much anymore, maybe my Council Tool Hudson bay when out on the wheeler gathering firewood, or a small hatchet but that's about it these days. Axe is for fun, or backup, chainsaw is for real Especially when you heat your house with that burnable wood stuff that comes from trees. View Quote Axes just fit me well. Fun to use and far easier than most think. It was sort of an experiment from the start. It still is. This particular axe is a fun departure from the norm. Once tuned up it packs a punch far in excess of its size. That is my favorite part i think. |
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[#16]
Batman,
Do you have an updated pic of you axe collection? -Slim |
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Quoted: Most of my collection is packed up until my house is rebuilt from the tornado. I don't know if I could get them all in one picture without being pretty high up. There are around 98 now. View Quote |
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[#19]
That looks very hawkish. I would love to strap it on my pack when out backpacking
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[#20]
I just won a Rinaldi American boys axe on EBay for $55.90 shipped. I'm pretty excited. It's similar with a different head shape. That is about $20 less than through Baryonix where it came from originally.
This one is more hawk shaped. American boys axe |
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[#21]
I'm really attracted to this axe because it flies in the face of conventional thinking. 700g on 31" will be light and fast. Wedge shaped bit for light splitting but mostly for chopping. Light bushcrafting and camping.
Rinandi Calabria |
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[#23]
I ordered the Rinaldi Calabria last night. It has a similar bit shape to the American Boy's Axe and the same weight except for one important difference. It has a more wedge shaped bit. It should split as well as it chops. It has a 31" handle also. It should be a fun learning experience.
http://www.baryonyxknife.com/ricboaxe.html |
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[#28]
I just bought the Rinaldi Calabria Hand Axe. The axe head is 350 grams/.77 lbs and is only about 1 lb over all, with a 24" handle. The hard and tough steel will stay sharp longer so it will compliment my travel get home kit well.
It will have the capability of making quick work of normal camp chores and making shelters at a very low weight penalty. The hand axe combined with my Mora Bushcraft Black will cover my needs pretty well. Once it arrives next week I am hoping to get out to the woods and try out the American Boy's axe, Calabria, and Calabria hand axe on some very hard dry standing elm, maple, beech, and some hemlock. The squarish handle of the hand axe will need some forming but I'll try it as it comes first. I'll make sure the fit is perfect so it will be easy to get on and off. |
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Quoted: Folks here used to love my axe threads. Before the Photobucket apocalypse I had around 1000 pictures here in my threads about my axe collection and reviews on the various weight to head ratios and the edge profile work I did. Unfortunately much of that was lost. View Quote |
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Photobucket appears to be back to normal. @batmanacw View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Folks here used to love my axe threads. Before the Photobucket apocalypse I had around 1000 pictures here in my threads about my axe collection and reviews on the various weight to head ratios and the edge profile work I did. Unfortunately much of that was lost. Right now it's a pain in the butt to post pictures so it really slowed me down. |
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Quoted: I removed all my pictures from PB once they screwed us. Hundreds of hours of work and information go forever. I'll never give them another shot. Right now it's a pain in the butt to post pictures so it really slowed me down. View Quote Back to the subject at hand: @batmanacw: what do you think of this Gerber 23.5" axe? I got it for Christmas year before last, a gift from my daughter and her-then boyfriend. I've only used it a couple times, haven't even sharpened it yet. At my age and physical condition, I just can't use it for very long, plus the fact that I always have my Stihl MS-362C and MS-180 handy. I believe this actually manufactured by Fiskars since they look identical to Fiskars axe's except for the color. https://www.gerbergear.com/Cutting-Tools/Axes/23.5-Axe_31-002651 Thanks! |
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[#32]
slip fit like a tomahawk, because it IS a tomahawk. Does not look like an ax to me at all
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[#33]
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slip fit like a tomahawk, because it IS a tomahawk. Does not look like an ax to me at all View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
slip fit like a tomahawk, because it IS a tomahawk. Does not look like an ax to me at all Definition of ax
1 : a cutting tool that consists of a heavy edged head fixed to a handle with the edge parallel to the handle and that is used especially for felling trees and chopping and splitting wood 2 : a hammer with a sharp edge for dressing (see 1dress 6e) or spalling stone 3 informal a : removal from office or release from employment : dismissal —usually used with the Employees with poor evaluations got the ax. Trump quickly gave him the ax [=fired him] for his incompetence. —Laura Petrecca b : abrupt elimination or severe reduction of something Unlimited expense accounts, signing bonuses, and office plants—all are getting the ax [=being cut or eliminated] thanks to corporate cost-cutting measures. —Amanda Hinnant No party was brave enough to offend its supporters by [=taking an axe to] [=severely reducing] expenditure.—The Economist 4 slang : any of several musical instruments (such as a guitar or a saxophone) — ax to grind : an ulterior often selfish underlying purpose claims that he has no ax to grind in criticizing the proposed law Definition of tomahawk
: a light ax used as a missile and as a hand weapon especially by North American Indians So technically a tomahawk by actual definition is a light axe... Yea I debated the same thing in my mind... By actual definition a tomahawk is an "AX" technically speaking. The technical bushcrafter in me had to take a step back and look at it for what it really was, and admit to reasoning by official definition... |
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Same here. Back to the subject at hand: @batmanacw: what do you think of this Gerber 23.5" axe? I got it for Christmas year before last, a gift from my daughter and her-then boyfriend. I've only used it a couple times, haven't even sharpened it yet. At my age and physical condition, I just can't use it for very long, plus the fact that I always have my Stihl MS-362C and MS-180 handy. I believe this actually manufactured by Fiskars since they look identical to Fiskars axe's except for the color. https://www.gerbergear.com/Cutting-Tools/Axes/23.5-Axe_31-002651 http://www.gerbergear.com/var/gerber/storage/images/media/images/s276/8659569-1-eng-US/S2_fulljpg.jpg Thanks! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: I removed all my pictures from PB once they screwed us. Hundreds of hours of work and information go forever. I'll never give them another shot. Right now it's a pain in the butt to post pictures so it really slowed me down. Back to the subject at hand: @batmanacw: what do you think of this Gerber 23.5" axe? I got it for Christmas year before last, a gift from my daughter and her-then boyfriend. I've only used it a couple times, haven't even sharpened it yet. At my age and physical condition, I just can't use it for very long, plus the fact that I always have my Stihl MS-362C and MS-180 handy. I believe this actually manufactured by Fiskars since they look identical to Fiskars axe's except for the color. https://www.gerbergear.com/Cutting-Tools/Axes/23.5-Axe_31-002651 http://www.gerbergear.com/var/gerber/storage/images/media/images/s276/8659569-1-eng-US/S2_fulljpg.jpg Thanks! |
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Looks similar to the Cold Steel Norse Hawk. A neat thing to have, but didn't prove very practical when I took it to the woods.
It didn't have enough ass to really function well as an axe or hatchet, and would bite deep but often end up stuck. |
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Looks similar to the Cold Steel Norse Hawk. A neat thing to have, but didn't prove very practical when I took it to the woods. It didn't have enough ass to really function well as an axe or hatchet, and would bite deep but often end up stuck. View Quote The Norse hawk is a lighter head than the 700 gram heads on the Rinaldi axes, which all have a much thinner convex than the Norse Hawk. |
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