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Posted: 4/8/2022 4:40:24 PM EDT
Hey Homesteaders,
I'm set for cold weather--insulated coveralls and tough work-gear type coats, etc. But for work outside when it's pouring (sometimes you have to do that, like it or not), what do y'all wear? I've got "outdoor gearhead" type wet weather clothes--Goretex and knockoffs built for hiking, running, etc. But I've not found anything that keeps me both dry and doesn't make me soaked with sweat for rainy weather working outside. Building anything, digging anything, repairing a fence where a tree limb went through it, feeding cattle, rounding up escaped livestock or anything else you have to do in the rain basically destroys those nice, expensive hiking clothes. I'm ill-equipped for wet weather. Do y'all have suggestions for what works for you? Thanks in advance, as always, ~Kitties |
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Army surplus modern rain gear is very good and mostly affordable if you have a surplus type store around.
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I haven't personally used it yet. But all the contractors working on my new building were wearing Cahartt Rain Defender / Storm Defender stuff, and of course - rubber boots.
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Quoted: I haven't personally used it yet. But all the contractors working on my new building were wearing Cahartt Rain Defender / Storm Defender stuff, and of course - rubber boots. View Quote Carhartt can suck a fish. Moved most of their manufacturing overseas then mandated the vax for US employees. Cut all my tags off already, when this stuff wears out I will not replace it with Carhartt. |
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If something like you seek exists I haven't found it yet.
Gore Tex is the closest, but if you're really sweating it can't purge the moisture fast enough and it will condense on it. I finally gave up and just buy the lined nylon stuff. It's a good balance of cost to function. Wear it out and replace. |
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I’m just like you and have my quality stuff for hiking and backpacking, and a few sets of things for gardening and whatnot.
I prefer oversized (on purpose) military surplus “improved rain suits”. Very lightweight fabric outer shell with a very light rubberized-type interior coating. It’s hard to describe but the material moves just perfectly to allow great air flow underneath. Unlike Goretex or similar materials, it seems to be truly waterproof. |
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Quoted: Carhartt can suck a fish. Moved most of their manufacturing overseas then mandated the vax for US employees. Cut all my tags off already, when this stuff wears out I will not replace it with Carhartt. View Quote I feel the same way. I figure they won't lose much market share because of their vax stance. But TSC has come out with its Ridgeline brand, to mimic Carhartt. If Carhartt makes it, Ridgeline probably does too. |
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Quoted: If something like you seek exists I haven't found it yet. Gore Tex is the closest, but if you're really sweating it can't purge the moisture fast enough and it will condense on it. I finally gave up and just buy the lined nylon stuff. It's a good balance of cost to function. Wear it out and replace. View Quote The Gore can MOSTLY keep up with me sweating. (I'm a female but I don't glow. I SWEAT.) That's not ALWAYS true of Gore, but mostly. But I destroy it. The fabric just can't take actual work on an actual building, fence, or earth. Rub up against a fence, it's ripped and cannot be repaired. Kneel to move a rock or change a tire in the rain, it's completely destroyed by rocks, gravel, or asphalt. It is generally not very tough material. It is built for recreation, not the kind of manual labor we do on a farm. I realize those are tough scenarios, but my carhartt coveralls could take kneeling on asphalt or gravel, or rubbing up against barbed wire. The fancy North Face, Patagonia (are they even still around?) Columbia, etc, clothing items will rip if you look at anything metal. They are made for walking around in the wilderness, sporting your Gregory pack, water dripping picturesquely off your leather necklace with sustainably sourced ceramic beads from Africa, with their symbols that mean "peace" and shaking the water off your Outdoor Research hat, then settling it back on your head without messing up your man bun. (Sorry...I have a lot of this gear from my K9 SAR days, and it's perfect for that. It's not perfect for actual work, and my prejudices are showing. ) I know Gore is the height of "waterproof and breathable." But there's got to be something between that (rips if you just think about actual work) and the plastic coated rubberized rain jackets I wore in college. |
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Quoted: I’m just like you and have my quality stuff for hiking and backpacking, and a few sets of things for gardening and whatnot. I prefer oversized (on purpose) military surplus “improved rain suits”. Very lightweight fabric outer shell with a very light rubberized-type interior coating. It’s hard to describe but the material moves just perfectly to allow great air flow underneath. Unlike Goretex or similar materials, it seems to be truly waterproof. View Quote You are the second vote for military surplus. I've got to look for this. Thank you. |
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I wear my ecws gortex jacket and xtratuff rubber boots. If its really nasty I'll throw on my old grundens foul weather gear.
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Truewerk makes some good stuff. I have their pants, shorts, and bibs.
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Rain gear will keep you dry and make you sweat.There is no in-between.
We wear helly hanson,carhart, and other rain gear. Some are nice and thin others are heavy. |
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Quoted: Rain gear will keep you dry and make you sweat.There is no in-between. We wear helly hanson,carhart, and other rain gear. Some are nice and thin others are heavy. View Quote Understood. Decent venting options help, but looking for something that is a little more durable. I always thought of Helly Hanson in the same categories as North Face, Columbia, etc, but I might need to take another look. |
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Helly-Hanson is the most popular outerwear you'll find on commercial fishing vessels for good reason.
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Quoted: I wear my ecws gortex jacket and xtratuff rubber boots. If its really nasty I'll throw on my old grundens foul weather gear. View Quote How is the grundens stuff? Thinking of buying one of their jackets for next year. If it can live through commercial fishing in hoping it cab survive feeding the herd. |
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Quoted: Hey Homesteaders, I'm set for cold weather--insulated coveralls and tough work-gear type coats, etc. But for work outside when it's pouring (sometimes you have to do that, like it or not), what do y'all wear? I've got "outdoor gearhead" type wet weather clothes--Goretex and knockoffs built for hiking, running, etc. But I've not found anything that keeps me both dry and doesn't make me soaked with sweat for rainy weather working outside. Building anything, digging anything, repairing a fence where a tree limb went through it, feeding cattle, rounding up escaped livestock or anything else you have to do in the rain basically destroys those nice, expensive hiking clothes. I'm ill-equipped for wet weather. Do y'all have suggestions for what works for you? Thanks in advance, as always, ~Kitties View Quote The best I've used is Columbia's Outdry Extreme. Interesting change from Goretex. Goretex is a waterproof breathable membrane typically sandwiched between an outer face fabric and an inner liner fabric (because the Goretex membrane itself is rather fragile and easy to tear). The outer face fabric is usually treated with a DWR (Durable Water Repellent) so water beads on it, but the DWR eventually wears out and needs to be reapplied, otherwise the outer fabric 'wets out'. Once it 'wets out'/gets soaked, the material is no longer breathable. What I've found is that being in an extended downpour can 'wet out' through the DWR in just a few hours. The OutDry Extreme material has the waterproof breathable membrane on the outside (it looks like those old vinyl rain slickers) and it's inherently waterproof, so it doesn't need a DWR and can't wet out. I found that it doesn't feel like it breathes as well as the top-of-the-line waterproof breathable fabrics, but I stay dry even in extended downpours. Plus side is being able to wash off any mud/dirt with a garden hose. |
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I just buy a cheap set from Academy and replace when it tears. A $20 set usually lasts me a year or two, sometimes longer. I've tried Frogg Toggs and I seriously can't stand them. They don't seem to hold up for working outdoors. Probably good for fishing and that's about it. I don't know if I'm bold enough to spend serious money on a rain suit that may or may not last.
Edit - link: https://www.academy.com/p/academy-sports-outdoors-mens-rain-suit |
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I haven't looked for anything special for farm work, but years ago when a motorcycle was my only mode of transportation I had a couple of different raingear setups. Shopping bike supply places might be worth a look.
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After a few decades of trying all the different options, I've come to this:
Frogg Toggs. They work reasonably well, and they're cheap so if they get damaged or stained or whatever, it's not a great loss. They seem to be the most breathable of the waterproof-breathable rainwear. The normal waterproof~breathable stuff like Gore Tex isn't breathable enough if I'm doing anything. If it's cold and raining I'm wearing other stuff anyway so complete waterproofness isn't necessary, if it's warm and raining a little moisture isn't going to hurt anything and is unavoidable anyway. I like a big hat instead of wearing a hood which also provides a lot more ventilation, if it's warmer. If it's cold I'll wear the hood in combination with a ball cap or the like. I'd like to find a ball cap with the bill and front panels being waterproof or waterproof-breathable. I guess I could make one with some DIY wax. |
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Quoted: Another vote for military! I had to look up Grundens. I hadn't seen that name before. Thank you! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I wear my ecws gortex jacket and xtratuff rubber boots. If its really nasty I'll throw on my old grundens foul weather gear. Another vote for military! I had to look up Grundens. I hadn't seen that name before. Thank you! Grundens is huuuuuge with the commercial fishing industry at least in the northeast. ECWCS Gen III will provide you the lightest of the cheap options more than likely. You can probably find it cheap in UCP(the gravelly digital color that some people incorrectly call ACU). Check carefully so you can find something not ratted out from field use. |
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A vented, waxed canvas hat and jacket.
You will get wet one way or another. |
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Galls link rain gear
I have an old police rain coat orange on one side black on the other. It’s not a cheap light weight one and I don’t see a name tag on it but I’ve had it a long time. I also have carhart and gortex but for a real downpour the long raincoat is best. And it’s big enough to fit loose which helps. I keep an Outdoor Research “Seattle Sombrero” hat in the pocket |
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Quoted: Helly-Hanson is the most popular outerwear you'll find on commercial fishing vessels for good reason. View Quote This is good to know. I did not know that, and have never been around commercial fishermen, or fishing vessels. That makes me definitely want to take another look. Thank you. |
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Quoted: The best I've used is Columbia's Outdry Extreme. Interesting change from Goretex. Goretex is a waterproof breathable membrane typically sandwiched between an outer face fabric and an inner liner fabric (because the Goretex membrane itself is rather fragile and easy to tear). The outer face fabric is usually treated with a DWR (Durable Water Repellent) so water beads on it, but the DWR eventually wears out and needs to be reapplied, otherwise the outer fabric 'wets out'. Once it 'wets out'/gets soaked, the material is no longer breathable. What I've found is that being in an extended downpour can 'wet out' through the DWR in just a few hours. The OutDry Extreme material has the waterproof breathable membrane on the outside (it looks like those old vinyl rain slickers) and it's inherently waterproof, so it doesn't need a DWR and can't wet out. I found that it doesn't feel like it breathes as well as the top-of-the-line waterproof breathable fabrics, but I stay dry even in extended downpours. Plus side is being able to wash off any mud/dirt with a garden hose. View Quote Huh.....this absolutely interests me. How is it for durability as far as tearing or working outside, in your experience? I have had the same situations with the top-of-the-line fabrics running dogs for SAR, which means a different kind of "hard work" outside, for hours, and they were okay. But they can't take fixing the dog kennel when the wind blows it over, cuz one catch on the chain link ends, and it's all over. That kind of "smear it around in the mud, rake it across wire and splinters, roll back and forth under a car a few times on not-so-perfect ground" and your $350 coat is in shreds. (These have all been, as I noted, the high-end "recreational" outdoor gear brands. Helly Hanson was not around here much back then, though. So I've only seen it from a distance.) |
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Quoted: I just buy a cheap set from Academy and replace when it tears. A $20 set usually lasts me a year or two, sometimes longer. I've tried Frogg Toggs and I seriously can't stand them. They don't seem to hold up for working outdoors. Probably good for fishing and that's about it. I don't know if I'm bold enough to spend serious money on a rain suit that may or may not last. Edit - link: https://www.academy.com/p/academy-sports-outdoors-mens-rain-suit View Quote At those prices, it might be reasonable to have these anyway, if you already know you're going to ruin something when you go out there, even if you've got better ones on the coat hooks. |
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Quoted: I haven't looked for anything special for farm work, but years ago when a motorcycle was my only mode of transportation I had a couple of different raingear setups. Shopping bike supply places might be worth a look. View Quote Oooohhh...I hadn't thought of that! Those clothes are TOUGH. I have some friends who buy armor and rain stuff. I will hit them up. Thanks! |
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Quoted: After a few decades of trying all the different options, I've come to this: Frogg Toggs. They work reasonably well, and they're cheap so if they get damaged or stained or whatever, it's not a great loss. They seem to be the most breathable of the waterproof-breathable rainwear. The normal waterproof~breathable stuff like Gore Tex isn't breathable enough if I'm doing anything. If it's cold and raining I'm wearing other stuff anyway so complete waterproofness isn't necessary, if it's warm and raining a little moisture isn't going to hurt anything and is unavoidable anyway. I like a big hat instead of wearing a hood which also provides a lot more ventilation, if it's warmer. If it's cold I'll wear the hood in combination with a ball cap or the like. I'd like to find a ball cap with the bill and front panels being waterproof or waterproof-breathable. I guess I could make one with some DIY wax. View Quote I'm pretty sure I've seen ball caps made with Gore (or something like it). I believe they are out there, but I'm no help cuz it's been so long since I shopped for that stuff that I don't know what's current. |
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Quoted: Grundens is huuuuuge with the commercial fishing industry at least in the northeast. ECWCS Gen III will provide you the lightest of the cheap options more than likely. You can probably find it cheap in UCP(the gravelly digital color that some people incorrectly call ACU). Check carefully so you can find something not ratted out from field use. View Quote And in my size.... I was XS when I was younger, but now probably just a S. I need to go try on I guess. I'm going to look at Grundens. Never saw it around here. We are several hours from a commercial fishing boat, so I guess that makes sense. |
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Quoted: Galls link rain gear I have an old police rain coat orange on one side black on the other. It’s not a cheap light weight one and I don’t see a name tag on it but I’ve had it a long time. I also have carhart and gortex but for a real downpour the long raincoat is best. And it’s big enough to fit loose which helps. I keep an Outdoor Research “Seattle Sombrero” hat in the pocket View Quote Thanks for the link! My old Seattle Sombrero is toast, unfortunately. No longer waterproof, and way past reviving. Time for all new. |
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Things I do not like about the Seattle Sombrero is how floppy the brim is and hot hot it is.
Needs more venting. Funny how we had rain gear from the 80's that was insulated and had multiple vents. Kept us warm and dry. Tough to find anything like it now. |
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Quoted: Things I do not like about the Seattle Sombrero is how floppy the brim is and hot hot it is. Needs more venting. Funny how we had rain gear from the 80's that was insulated and had multiple vents. Kept us warm and dry. Tough to find anything like it now. View Quote There aren't vents on any of this stuff? My Seattle Sombrero does not have vents either, but the jackets all did. |
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Quoted: There aren't vents on any of this stuff? My Seattle Sombrero does not have vents either, but the jackets all did. View Quote I have almost been pulled overboard by netting getting caught in the snaps on my helly coat. I duct tape over them if they do not have the flap covering the snaps. Only two tiny vents on the Sombrero. Needs more as many have been saying to OR. |
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Quoted: Huh.....this absolutely interests me. How is it for durability as far as tearing or working outside, in your experience? I have had the same situations with the top-of-the-line fabrics running dogs for SAR, which means a different kind of "hard work" outside, for hours, and they were okay. But they can't take fixing the dog kennel when the wind blows it over, cuz one catch on the chain link ends, and it's all over. That kind of "smear it around in the mud, rake it across wire and splinters, roll back and forth under a car a few times on not-so-perfect ground" and your $350 coat is in shreds. (These have all been, as I noted, the high-end "recreational" outdoor gear brands. Helly Hanson was not around here much back then, though. So I've only seen it from a distance.) View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The best I've used is Columbia's Outdry Extreme. Interesting change from Goretex. Goretex is a waterproof breathable membrane typically sandwiched between an outer face fabric and an inner liner fabric (because the Goretex membrane itself is rather fragile and easy to tear). The outer face fabric is usually treated with a DWR (Durable Water Repellent) so water beads on it, but the DWR eventually wears out and needs to be reapplied, otherwise the outer fabric 'wets out'. Once it 'wets out'/gets soaked, the material is no longer breathable. What I've found is that being in an extended downpour can 'wet out' through the DWR in just a few hours. The OutDry Extreme material has the waterproof breathable membrane on the outside (it looks like those old vinyl rain slickers) and it's inherently waterproof, so it doesn't need a DWR and can't wet out. I found that it doesn't feel like it breathes as well as the top-of-the-line waterproof breathable fabrics, but I stay dry even in extended downpours. Plus side is being able to wash off any mud/dirt with a garden hose. Huh.....this absolutely interests me. How is it for durability as far as tearing or working outside, in your experience? I have had the same situations with the top-of-the-line fabrics running dogs for SAR, which means a different kind of "hard work" outside, for hours, and they were okay. But they can't take fixing the dog kennel when the wind blows it over, cuz one catch on the chain link ends, and it's all over. That kind of "smear it around in the mud, rake it across wire and splinters, roll back and forth under a car a few times on not-so-perfect ground" and your $350 coat is in shreds. (These have all been, as I noted, the high-end "recreational" outdoor gear brands. Helly Hanson was not around here much back then, though. So I've only seen it from a distance.) It's held up to brush and branch snags without any tearing/holes, but I'd bet that the end of a piece of baling wire/chainlink fence would poke holes in it. |
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Quoted: I'm pretty sure I've seen ball caps made with Gore (or something like it). I believe they are out there, but I'm no help cuz it's been so long since I shopped for that stuff that I don't know what's current. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: After a few decades of trying all the different options, I've come to this: Frogg Toggs. They work reasonably well, and they're cheap so if they get damaged or stained or whatever, it's not a great loss. They seem to be the most breathable of the waterproof-breathable rainwear. The normal waterproof~breathable stuff like Gore Tex isn't breathable enough if I'm doing anything. If it's cold and raining I'm wearing other stuff anyway so complete waterproofness isn't necessary, if it's warm and raining a little moisture isn't going to hurt anything and is unavoidable anyway. I like a big hat instead of wearing a hood which also provides a lot more ventilation, if it's warmer. If it's cold I'll wear the hood in combination with a ball cap or the like. I'd like to find a ball cap with the bill and front panels being waterproof or waterproof-breathable. I guess I could make one with some DIY wax. I'm pretty sure I've seen ball caps made with Gore (or something like it). I believe they are out there, but I'm no help cuz it's been so long since I shopped for that stuff that I don't know what's current. I've got a Columbia ball cap with whatever proprietary waterproof/breathable membrane they use (not Goretex IIRC). I'm not really a baseball cap person, but that waterproof/breathable baseball cap with the rainjacket hood over it makes a great rain setup. Keeps the rain out of my face much better than just the hood alone (unless it's blowing like crazy) and water from running down my neck/back. |
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Best I've seen that would hold up to hard use were made by a miner that started a business making bibs and jackets. Bible verse and pocket knife in the pocket.
Most non RIP durable Rain gear I've worn. Them or lacrosse Fh mine supply might have them. Moms. Miningwear |
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For a hat, my Filson tin cloth bush hat works great in the rain. Nice wide and stiff 3” brim. Water keeps dripping off it but my face and neck stay dry.
https://www.filson.com/accessories/tin-cloth-bush-hat-2.html |
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Quoted: I've got a Columbia ball cap with whatever proprietary waterproof/breathable membrane they use (not Goretex IIRC). I'm not really a baseball cap person, but that waterproof/breathable baseball cap with the rainjacket hood over it makes a great rain setup. Keeps the rain out of my face much better than just the hood alone (unless it's blowing like crazy) and water from running down my neck/back. View Quote I do this with any hooded coat...wear a ball cap. It keeps the hood out of my face. And just as you said, keeps the rain off too. I've never had a Gore-type ball cap though. Now I have another wish list item. |
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Quoted: Best I've seen that would hold up to hard use were made by a miner that started a business making bibs and jackets. Bible verse and pocket knife in the pocket. Most non RIP durable Rain gear I've worn. Them or lacrosse Fh mine supply might have them. Moms. Miningwear View Quote Thanks! I will look for it. |
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Quoted: For a hat, my Filson tin cloth bush hat works great in the rain. Nice wide and stiff 3” brim. Water keeps dripping off it but my face and neck stay dry. https://www.filson.com/accessories/tin-cloth-bush-hat-2.html View Quote I love Filson! That's a great hat. |
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Quoted: I haven't personally used it yet. But all the contractors working on my new building were wearing Cahartt Rain Defender / Storm Defender stuff, and of course - rubber boots. View Quote I know Carhartt showed their ass and they are a led by a bunch of d-bags, but their Rain Defender 1/4 Zip Sweatshirt is pretty much my favorite "outerwear" I've ever had for chores. With additional layers, it is good down to about about 40* for me, less with better layers, or if I'm moving a lot. It is good up to about 60* if I'm not moving around a bunch. It's not waterproof, but it has kept me dry in long drawn out misty conditions or a 5 or 10 minute downpour. It won't keep you dry through hours of rain though. Essentially, once you get to the point that it's raining hard enough that this isn't going to cut it, I think you're going to have to deal with all of the drawbacks that have been previously mentioned about other rain gear. The local utility workers in my area that have to work in inclement weather from time to time wear these most of the time, then break out the yellow rubber coats if it's raining cats and dogs and they have to be out in it. Carhartt 1/4 Zip When my current versions of the above wear out I'm going to look for a similar offering from a Carhartt competitor. |
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Quoted: They are made for walking around in the wilderness, sporting your Gregory pack, water dripping picturesquely off your leather necklace with sustainably sourced ceramic beads from Africa, with their symbols that mean "peace" and shaking the water off your Outdoor Research hat, then settling it back on your head without messing up your man bun. View Quote The ceramic beads on my necklace come from South America, but otherwise, you just described my every day farm attire!! |
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Muck boots. Old woodland mil goretex jacket or frogg toggs. When they rip, add another piece of duct tape on. Very fashionable. Works for me.
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