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Posted: 3/6/2019 9:19:48 PM EDT
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You aren't going to find something that makes you look not like a person in an urban environment.
There are digital camos and colors that will make you harder to hit or tell what you are doing... Real camo in the urban environment is going to be "so common nobody noticed" or "looks like a cop" or "looks like a bum" (and that one is risky). Maybe a hard hat and clip board in a white van would work. |
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Posted: 3/6/2019 9:20:07 PM EDT
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This worked well on tanks, but it probably wouldn't be so good for uniforms.
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Posted: 3/6/2019 9:49:09 PM EDT
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I know you're not looking for this answer, but grey man is the best way to go. The point of camouflage is to not be seen. The only way you can't be seen in an urban environment is to blend in with everyone else. See: Iraqi insurgents.
That being said, the best way to deal with SHTF in an urban area is to not be there. I realize some folks live there, but it's not at all ideal for the long haul. Get out as soon as you can. |
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Posted: 3/6/2019 9:52:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/6/2019 10:02:55 PM EDT
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This worked well on tanks, but it probably wouldn't be so good for uniforms. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/30/ec/00/30ec006a0dd710142d09d32d7491bc37.jpg 
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Posted: 3/6/2019 10:07:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI have never seen that before. (or I have forgotten) Thanks. |
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Posted: 3/6/2019 10:23:09 PM EDT
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I know you're not looking for this answer, but grey man is the best way to go. The point of camouflage is to not be seen. The only way you can't be seen in an urban environment is to blend in with everyone else. See: Iraqi insurgents. That being said, the best way to deal with SHTF in an urban area is to not be there. I realize some folks live there, but it's not at all ideal for the long haul. Get out as soon as you can. |
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Posted: 3/6/2019 10:39:35 PM EDT
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True. I'm in the suburbs planning on moving to the country. I was just interested seeing all these greys popping up in the industry and was curious if it would be actually effective and not just some uniform. Grey man concept can be difficult for some. Because some of us have natural traits that make us stand out. Like my height. |
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Posted: 3/6/2019 11:03:08 PM EDT
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The best camouflage to me is however you normally dress and act, and what is customary for your normal environment.
Don't deck out a 4x4 suburban and if everyone is driving Toyota Corolla. If you dress, drive or act differently than you or everyone around you does, then you will stand out. Prepare your vehicle and person the best you can with how your surroundings look, how you normally do and to fit in with everyone else. Come up with creative ways to hide things. If you change in a SHTF scenario, you will be seen. If everyone carries a black laptop back pack to work, then get a black backpack and put your essentials in that. Don't get an elaborate camouflage backpack that says I am a hunter or prepper is not camouflage in a sea of black. |
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Posted: 3/6/2019 11:50:44 PM EDT
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i think op is asking for any camo patterns that can blend into concrete, not for daily concealment but in a hypothetical scenario where rule of law is gone and he is in the city. i think the issue with grey man is that it doesnt work well if there is no other people just walking around. i would assume the situation hes talking about is in a situation where just walking outside warrants other people to try to kill you for your stuff
edit: i would think atacs ix would work well |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 1:50:26 AM EDT
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Define loadout
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Posted: 3/7/2019 2:24:34 AM EDT
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I like that Marine Corps test version, but I think it's a point of diminishing returns. Most acknowledge camouflage is more influenced by movement and contrast. While some patterns might work pretty well, many rely on shadows, static or very slow movement, etc. Those can be achieved by drab solid colors and shades. The challenge will be transitioning from one environment/situation to another. If you have to maneuver through a populated area, you will attract more attention with some cool, urban camo. On the flip side, if things go kinetic, camo is a relatively minor defense. Movement behind cover, culverts, buildings, shadows, low illumination, etc. can still be very effective with drab, solid colors that would do well in either situation.
So yeah, there are some effective patterns, but I think for the price and limited application, there are far more versatile choices. Solid charcoal, gray, or darker browns would likely work just fine. There are some interesting patterns though: 
https://strikehold.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/bulldog-mirage-pics-175-077.jpg?w=600&h=400 
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Posted: 3/7/2019 3:47:12 AM EDT
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I like number 2 - what is that?
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Posted: 3/7/2019 5:09:01 AM EDT
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Do any patterns have effectiveness in urban environments? |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 9:33:29 AM EDT
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Just want to add, a plan has options and without any options its a decision.
Tj |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 9:53:04 AM EDT
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Urban? Think outside the box.
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Posted: 3/7/2019 10:10:53 AM EDT
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In an urban environment, there are construction workers. Emulate what they wear, minus the hi-viz stuff.
Grays, browns, greens; blue jeans stand out. Most people tend to ignore the laborers amongst them. |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 10:13:57 AM EDT
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Dress like everyone else, then grab trash and blankets if you need to disappear in a way that doesn't look like a human. (urban ghille suit)
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Posted: 3/7/2019 10:14:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/7/2019 12:47:13 PM EDT
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I like number 2 - what is that? ROCK6 |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 1:07:26 PM EDT
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A-TACS is fantastic in general. I much prefer it to multicam. Blasphemy, I know.
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Posted: 3/7/2019 3:27:30 PM EDT
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Go put these on.
Woodland Od Multibarf ATac Etcetcetc Now..go to a construction or demo site. Get sweaty,wet,roll around. Rinse repeat several times. Youll have your perfect pattern 
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Posted: 3/7/2019 6:02:39 PM EDT
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i think op is asking for any camo patterns that can blend into concrete, not for daily concealment but in a hypothetical scenario where rule of law is gone and he is in the city. i think the issue with grey man is that it doesnt work well if there is no other people just walking around. i would assume the situation hes talking about is in a situation where just walking outside warrants other people to try to kill you for your stuff edit: i would think atacs ix would work well Also, could I get your thoughts on what makes you think atacs ix is good for the job? |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 7:58:54 PM EDT
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Something like this would be mine. An actual camo pattern would make you stick out in a urban environment more than it would hide you, in my opinion. Can fit all sorts of stuff underneath the right jacket to conceal your goodies.
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Posted: 3/7/2019 8:04:56 PM EDT
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This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. But it seems to just *WHOOSH over people's heads lol. Thanks for the response. Also, could I get your thoughts on what makes you think atacs ix is good for the job? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i think op is asking for any camo patterns that can blend into concrete, not for daily concealment but in a hypothetical scenario where rule of law is gone and he is in the city. i think the issue with grey man is that it doesnt work well if there is no other people just walking around. i would assume the situation hes talking about is in a situation where just walking outside warrants other people to try to kill you for your stuff edit: i would think atacs ix would work well Also, could I get your thoughts on what makes you think atacs ix is good for the job? OP, to address what you're looking for, based on the "if you go outside you're going to get shot" scenario; go with as dark of a blue as you can find, only go out at night, and stick to the shadows. |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 8:15:35 PM EDT
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It is amazing how effective just plain Grey is, in both urban and wooded environments.
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Posted: 3/7/2019 8:17:55 PM EDT
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dress shirt or nice polo tucked into dress pants. Black boots that look like dress shoes. confused look. SUV with no visible shit out on it.
now if you happen to have an IWB gun and holster, a folding or small SBR in that untactical backpack, and that SUV is actually a land cruiser prado with supplies/gear/rifles/etc in it, nobody will be any the wiser. 
honestly my plan (and I am in one of the top 3 most urban places in America) is to look like another scared, lost office drone. That is not the case, but better to roll with the crowd until it's best not to. |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 8:20:06 PM EDT
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Go put these on. Woodland Od Multibarf ATac Etcetcetc Now..go to a construction or demo site. Get sweaty,wet,roll around. Rinse repeat several times. Youll have your perfect pattern |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 1:07:28 AM EDT
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So I've been looking into urban loadouts but all I find is people scrutinizing it saying to blend in with others. How ever, I want to expand on it and see if there's any practicality to go "tactical". As we've seen in some cases in the past where SHTF hit urban environments pretty hard to the point it's all out war. So being a "grey man" isn't always an option. Acknowledging the fact that there's a time and place to go hard, I want to ask about effectiveness of urban camo Do any patterns have effectiveness in urban environments? Structures are pretty solid coloured blocks so I don't know how well digital patterns would stand out. With that said, how would the solid grey colours work in environments such as Wolf Grey? I know there's different types of urban environments. Wolf grey would go nicely with metropolitan areas where as brown greys would go well with older dingy areas. Is Wolfy Grey just some Uniform for LEO or do you guys think it has some character to ensure someone doesn't stand out in an urban environment, somewhat like camo. Looking forward to hear responses. Thanks! Buy a pair of carhartt pants and a plain drab/dull shirt, or... put on a "Don't hassle me, I voted for Hillary" shirt. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 1:58:52 AM EDT
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Go put these on. Woodland Od Multibarf ATac Etcetcetc Now..go to a construction or demo site. Get sweaty,wet,roll around. Rinse repeat several times. Youll have your perfect pattern
Yeah, I think the OP is delineating from events leading up to and resulting in a urban SHTF scenario, and one were it's more post-SHTF. Take a look at some of the bombed and burned out cities and I could see a decent camo pattern helping to minimize your outline if in observation mode, moving from point A to point B where chaos is in charge or you're in an E&E situation and people are not traveling around as normal. Yes, somewhat fanciful thinking, but that's really where a camouflage uniform would play a role. I still think it matters more on your movement and taking advantage of concealed routes and shadows...and wearing some drab clothing, but for such a scenario, camouflage wouldn't hurt; if detected with or without, the idea is that you're still a target. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 10:04:35 AM EDT
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if possible, don't forget to consider the type of street lighting you may encounter... the older high pressure sodium orange lights will reflect different from mercury vapor blue-green and different from high intensity white from LEDs
for casual semi tropical short sleeve a somewhat subdued "Hawaiian" of dark green, brown, and dark red is pretty efficient at night... a lot of experienced people wore something similar when down town in the Philippines and Thailand in the early 70s... a lot of locals wore tan slacks, and baseball type hats with local logo... the big give away for Americans were real Levi pants, non native shoes, and glasses( especially the USGI contraceptive glasses) |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 10:12:54 AM EDT
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Stuff that looks different will GET you noticed, not make you less visible.
I'd stay FAR away from "Urban" cammo... In an urban area, grays, tans, seem to blend in well. Old Jeans (I favor carpenters jeans for the extra room to move plus the side pockets) Plus a long sleeve Gray T- are a low visibility combo that works well and you could wear to the store without people thinking you are unusual (getting noticed) |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 1:02:54 PM EDT
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We all know you're a closet-multicam lover...quit denying it
Yeah, I think the OP is delineating from events leading up to and resulting in a urban SHTF scenario, and one were it's more post-SHTF. Take a look at some of the bombed and burned out cities and I could see a decent camo pattern helping to minimize your outline if in observation mode, moving from point A to point B where chaos is in charge or you're in an E&E situation and people are not traveling around as normal. Yes, somewhat fanciful thinking, but that's really where a camouflage uniform would play a role. I still think it matters more on your movement and taking advantage of concealed routes and shadows...and wearing some drab clothing, but for such a scenario, camouflage wouldn't hurt; if detected with or without, the idea is that you're still a target. ROCK6 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go put these on. Woodland Od Multibarf ATac Etcetcetc Now..go to a construction or demo site. Get sweaty,wet,roll around. Rinse repeat several times. Youll have your perfect pattern
Yeah, I think the OP is delineating from events leading up to and resulting in a urban SHTF scenario, and one were it's more post-SHTF. Take a look at some of the bombed and burned out cities and I could see a decent camo pattern helping to minimize your outline if in observation mode, moving from point A to point B where chaos is in charge or you're in an E&E situation and people are not traveling around as normal. Yes, somewhat fanciful thinking, but that's really where a camouflage uniform would play a role. I still think it matters more on your movement and taking advantage of concealed routes and shadows...and wearing some drab clothing, but for such a scenario, camouflage wouldn't hurt; if detected with or without, the idea is that you're still a target. ROCK6 And yes. Movement, cover, dont wear shoot me red. Honestly a dark pant,lighter or layered top, drab hat. Think rogue one starwars rebels at the end, or any other post apoc movie. A mix match of drabs and grime from use. I shall name it " urban dark dirt " or UDDS for short
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Posted: 3/8/2019 4:02:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2019 4:58:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryTrack suit is best suit.
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Posted: 3/8/2019 9:11:41 PM EDT
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If your looking for camoflauge in an urban environment, your not going to find anything effective due to the overwhelming differences in buildings and terrain.
From a swat standpoint, many teams have traditionally work black. This is terrible because the absence of color attracts the eye. My opinion is for a tactical urban uniform your best bet is picking a color that doesn't attract the eye or pop as much ie grey or OD green. Both stand out less than other colors or even patterns in urban areas. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 9:32:39 PM EDT
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It is amazing how effective just plain Grey is, in both urban and wooded environments.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 9:47:59 PM EDT
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I shall name it " urban dark dirt " or UDDS for short Quote HistoryQuoted:
I shall name it " urban dark dirt " or UDDS for short Love it!
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If your looking for camoflauge in an urban environment, your not going to find anything effective due to the overwhelming differences in buildings and terrain. From a swat standpoint, many teams have traditionally work black. This is terrible because the absence of color attracts the eye. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 11:44:32 PM EDT
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If you really want urban camo, hide in plain sight by wearing tan or blue overalls or layering lots of clothes you purchased at Goodwill and carrying all your gear in garbage bags loaded in a stolen shopping cart. Muss up your hair, get a 1000 yard stare and argue with yourself with wild gestures. Dirt, empty wine bottles and odor are plusses, and you need large cardboard signs with REPENT and bible verses. The cardboard also provides insulation, padding and shelter if you have to overnight on the street, and with duct tape you can make a nice camouflaged cardboard carbine scabbard for something like an SKS. If you don't want to borrow a shopping cart, a small wagon or wheeled garbage can would also work as well.
other homeless shopping cart images |
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