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Posted: 3/12/2021 11:44:45 AM EDT
A buddy of mine is trying to get a bunch of guys to go down and hunt hogs. You stay on the ranch, food provided and they process the animal when you shoot it.
I am seriously thinking about going. I have been wanting to do this for some time and the group of guys going seems like a blast. The question I have is what gun do I take? I am told 223 is a no-go as it doesn't knock them down right away. My buddy recommended something larger. He took a few bolt guns last time but he is working on a 6.5CM ar build. I have a 300blkout(AR SBR), 308(AR), and a 3006(m1 garand). What gun would you take? I talked to him about 300blk and he said one of the guys in the last group had a bad experience with them. He didn't know if it was the ammo the guy was using or if he was just a bad shot but he didn't kill much with it. I figured it would be great for hogs. Either in a 220 SMK sub or a 110 barns TSX round. The Garand would just be fun and a challenge. Something different. Thoughts? |
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Originally Posted By Tejas1836: From Todd Huey, The Expert in hog hunting View Quote An interesting read. I figured 300blk would have more knockdown power? Sure not 308 level but better than what he mentioned.. |
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Live in Texas and shoot (at) hogs 20+ times/year.
223 drops them just fine. I prefer rapid follow ups and can be accurate with an AR15. Several of the guys I hunt with use bolt guns and shoot more deliberately with great effect. 99% of the time we are walking up on large sounders and firing into groups of pigs. |
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I knock down and kill more hogs with my 556 AR shooting the shittiest ball ammo i can find. The fun part is you dont have to shoot only once. Keep shooting...
If yer bait hunting, go head shot on 1st one then mag dump. I think the real question is optics. I have a hog walking AR with red dot and one with a 4-14x50. I have a 6.5 grendel, 300 blk, and an AR10. I always choose 556.... |
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I'm curious about the 556 as I know some ranches don't allow it. This one does. My buddy said it was because they don't knock down and they run off and die. I have a 77gr SMK round I load up for one ar with a 4 power vortex.
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Depending how they let you hunt. I like walking. Pigs have a knack fer sleeping soundly and letting you walk into red dot range. Then its game on.
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Where’s it at? If your in thicket and shots are close I use my Colt M4 and shoot them in the neck with 70 g Barns bullets. If you are going to be in big fields with long shots you should take a 308 or something. If you get on a really big trophy boar I would be glad I had something bigger than 556. Or just take two guns. That way you can shoot something with each. If you get one down and it acts like it’s trying to get up put another one in it. I lost a good one because I wasn’t ready for a follow up shot.
Take us some pictures and go have fun. |
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Out of those choices, the 308 AR if you are looking to recover them.
I have a 300 BO 16” and 8.5”. I use Barnes Tac-Tx 110 gr. The 16” puts them down hard. My SBR just doesn’t get enough MV to knock them over, so they run and I’ve never recovered one. Plenty of blood, just couldn’t find them. I’ve killed many hogs with my AR-10, but my go to is my AR in 6.8 That’s for if I am purposely hunting them. However, I’ve killed them with most other calibers as well, they are “shoot on sight” for me and so, what ever I happen to have with me at the time. |
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Originally Posted By Tejas1836: From Todd Huey, The Expert in hog hunting View Quote Also says he has to shoot them 5+ times to bring down with 5.56. What? This is my a couple weeks ago dropping one with a 5.56 at 100ish yards, seen thru my buddies thermal: 2/24 little boar I've witnessed guys doing fine with bulk 55gr FMJ. I prefer 62gr Gold Dot or Fusion, and I know the Barnes triple shock is great too. Anyway, my opinion is 5.56 is perfectly suitable, especially with hunting/SD ammo. Remember, most hogs you'll shoot are smaller than an average sized deer, or human for that matter. When you find a big boy you can stick 3-4 thorns in him fast for good effect if needed, or just shoot for head/neck on your first round and you're square. 300blk is not my favorite due to the longer-range follow up shots ballistics, but up close it hammers. I've shot a lot with a 6.5G too and I'd say it is superior to the 5.56 but I'm comfortable with both. |
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Originally Posted By ar_mcadams: Where’s it at? If your in thicket and shots are close I use my Colt M4 and shoot them in the neck with 70 g Barns bullets. If you are going to be in big fields with long shots you should take a 308 or something. If you get on a really big trophy boar I would be glad I had something bigger than 556. Or just take two guns. That way you can shoot something with each. If you get one down and it acts like it’s trying to get up put another one in it. I lost a good one because I wasn’t ready for a follow up shot. Take us some pictures and go have fun. View Quote Rockwater ranch in Rusk TX. My buddy said it's mostly 50-yard shots. |
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Originally Posted By Warhawk: A game ranch is a different deal than shooting hogs on your property to get rid of them. On a game ranch you’re buying the animal, the places I’ve been if you hit one and lose it, you’re paying for it. I have used a 45-70 lever gun once, and a 44 mag revolver many times. Shot placement is key with whatever you use. Study the anatomy of a hog, it’s different than a deer or elk. The vitals are farther forward and the gut is much larger. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33552/3C1D9B54-38EA-4BCB-8F14-2CF72CF13894-1862313.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33552/42166955-5D0E-4531-B56C-99E8AB0074AC-1862314.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Warhawk: Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX: Rockwater ranch in Rusk TX. My buddy said it's mostly 50-yard shots. A game ranch is a different deal than shooting hogs on your property to get rid of them. On a game ranch you’re buying the animal, the places I’ve been if you hit one and lose it, you’re paying for it. I have used a 45-70 lever gun once, and a 44 mag revolver many times. Shot placement is key with whatever you use. Study the anatomy of a hog, it’s different than a deer or elk. The vitals are farther forward and the gut is much larger. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33552/3C1D9B54-38EA-4BCB-8F14-2CF72CF13894-1862313.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/33552/42166955-5D0E-4531-B56C-99E8AB0074AC-1862314.jpg Supposedly its a flat fee for unlimited hogs. Not sure if that makes a difference? |
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I kill hogs with plain old steel FMJ in both .223 and 9mm. Although my go to lately is a 158 gr .357 hardcast handload. It's not Godzilla.
Any of the guns you mentioned will work just fine. |
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I totally spaced I have a FAL with an aimpoint pro on it. That is another option.
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I kill most of my hogs with 223 or 545x39. In my opinion rapid follow up shots are more effective than a single knock out punch because when the sounder breaks, all hell breaks loose with it. Most of the guys I hunt with don't use 308 type rounds, but several do use 300BO supers
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Rusk is only about 45 minutes from me. I bet that ranch lost some exotics during the big freeze last month.
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Originally Posted By TX-Zen: I kill most of my hogs with 223 or 545x39. In my opinion rapid follow up shots are more effective than a single knock out punch because when the sounder breaks, all hell breaks loose with it. Most of the guys I hunt with don't use 308 type rounds, but several do use 300BO supers View Quote I agree and the fast .22 cal rounds tend to loose velocity quickly after hitting earth. I’m not a real fan of the .300 BO unless you load Barns bullets. But then again I’m not purchasing the animals I shoot. I would take both the .308 and the .223. Kill one with the .308 then try the .223. My thermal rides a.223 and my daylight rig is a 6.5 Grendel with a 4-12 for longer distance. Best advice I can give is take the one you shoot the best. |
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I’ve killed 2 pigs with 300 BLK, and neither of them went anywhere. Both were Neck shots.
I’ve killed multiple others with the cheapest .223 available (wolf 55 gr). Lately, I’ve been walkin the woods with my .44 Mag Henry. |
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I’ve shot a bunch with 6.5g no complaints. Also killed them with 62grn 556 and a shitload with my 30-30. It’s a hammer. Some guys I hunt with use 300bo 120 tac-tx and do good too. Out of your choices I think I’d take the 308.
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Another vote to use the AR in 308.
I've killed them with 55gr FMJ (three last week), 300BLK, and 308. The AR10 is what I bring when I am actively hunting pigs. 300BLK hasn't been 100% effective in subs or supers for me (even using fabled Barnes). My general "walking around gun" is a 5.56 SBR and it works but I put multiple rounds in each to be able to stop them. Will you be hunting during daylight or at night? Over feeders I assume? Do any of your guns have powerful white lights attached? |
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Originally Posted By PlayFront36: Another vote to use the AR in 308. I've killed them with 55gr FMJ (three last week), 300BLK, and 308. The AR10 is what I bring when I am actively hunting pigs. 300BLK hasn't been 100% effective in subs or supers for me (even using fabled Barnes). My general "walking around gun" is a 5.56 SBR and it works but I put multiple rounds in each to be able to stop them. Will you be hunting during daylight or at night? Over feeders I assume? Do any of your guns have powerful white lights attached? View Quote I am going to contact the ranch and get some better intel on the hunting scenarios. I do have a modlite I can take off one gun and mount on another. |
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I’ve used 5.56, 300BLK, 6.5G, 308, and 10mm. Love my 6.5 Grendel. It’s the Goldilocks of hog calibers, IMO. Not too big, not too small.
Of those you mentioned, I think I would go with the 308, unless it’s unreasonably heavy for stalking. I used 300BLK in a 8.5” pistol, and while it killed pigs, I lost a lot more than I liked. Even if you’re not taking all the meat, I much prefer dead pigs for pictures than “I’m sure I hit it...” |
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If you're traveling far, take them all.
East Texas is likely going to be wooded and short shots. I could care less if I see them die, so I mostly use 556, but I wouldn't want to depend on it if I wanted to recover them. I'd probably go 308. I've killed them with 308 and 30 cal Garands, that's a blast! It will depend a lot on how you hunt, probably won't want a boat anchor if you're jumping in and out of UTVs or walking. |
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I have killed them at the farm for years with every common round and I now use 7.62x39 suppressed but it depends on what you want from the hunt. 308 is best by far for solo shots no doubt. If you are trying to hit 2 or 3 as the only shooter the follow up shots get difficult. I like my 5.56 razor core 77grain ammo but it is expensive and I seem to get the same kill rate with cheap x39. Both are light and quick. I hunt solo on the ground with them and try and get as close as possible for the excitement. Look through the guns you have already. If it’s multiple shooter and mostly open terrain go 308. 556 or 7.62 will work just fine if you have them but use more expensive ammo. For subsonic 9x39 seems interesting. I haven’t used any of the oddballs like 300blk 6.8 6.5 etc. when people have used them they don’t seem to do better than me.
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I didn’t think about this because I have killed so many pigs. But if you’re wanting excitement and have a good chance of shooting pigs over bait in the day light it’s hard to beat archery equipment. I stuck 40# pig to a tree root once with a broadhead and him spinning around and around was exciting. Now your chances of quick fallow up shots are going out the window but fallowing up a blood trail is pretty exciting. But the most exciting is still to knife them while hunting with dogs. It’s just doggy boys are not always the best people to hunt with. And finding large tracts of land where you don’t make enemies is getting harder.
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I just looked at a bunch of pictures my buddy showed me from the ranch that he took during his last hunt. Very brushy And most shots were well within 50 yards. I think 308 fal is the ticket.
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Now, do I use fmj or load up a bunch of Hornady ssts? I'm guessing the later.
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If you're travelling that far, shooting the more expensive ammo is super cheap insurance.
That said, I've killed hundreds of hogs with SA surplus 308. I always take an ammo can full of loaded mags on any trip, but I always drive, flying might be more difficult. |
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Originally Posted By Eat_Beef: If you're travelling that far, shooting the more expensive ammo is super cheap insurance. That said, I've killed hundreds of hogs with SA surplus 308. I always take an ammo can full of loaded mags on any trip, but I always drive, flying might be more difficult. View Quote I was thinking of taking 200 rounds. Probably can't do all sst rounds. I have a ton of fmj |
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Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX: I have a 300blkout(AR SBR), 308(AR), and a 3006(m1 garand). What gun would you take? View Quote 308 is an easy choice. I tried 300BLK, just does not make them DRT. 556 is even worse, especially at longer ranges. Give yourself the most flexibility on a trip like this. Keep in mind you will only get one good aimed shot. The rest of your shots will be made while they are on the run. Anyone who shoots a lot of hogs will tell you 99% are shot on the run under less than perfect aiming conditions. |
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Hogs are like rats to me. Our ranch is overran with them. I shoot them with whatever gun I have at the moment. I don’t really care if I recover them or if they run off and die somewhere. I have seen 556 drop them and I have seen them soak up 556 like nothing and keep trucking. If I was going on a hunt for them where it was a big deal to me I would definitely use something bigger than 556. I have shot several with a 308 and they all dropped like a rock.
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Originally Posted By Doodlebug: Hogs are like rats to me. Our ranch is overran with them. I shoot them with whatever gun I have at the moment. I don’t really care if I recover them or if they run off and die somewhere. I have seen 556 drop them and I have seen them soak up 556 like nothing and keep trucking. If I was going on a hunt for them where it was a big deal to me I would definitely use something bigger than 556. I have shot several with a 308 and they all dropped like a rock. View Quote Thanks. Looks like I'll be using a 308 fal. And my buddy only has an ar15 in 556. I'm loading up some gmx rounds to use. |
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The hunt is a few weeks away. I am getting excited.
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Very informative thread, OP. I hope your hunt goes well and I look forward to reading about the results.
It looks like the consensus is that .308, 6.5, and 6.8 are the rounds for the job if you are hunting for meat and trophy. .556 and 300BO for pest control or as a second option. |
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I wish my fal was set up to be suppressed as I would really like to take my can.
Right now I am still banking on the fal. I hope it's the right choice. I will post pics. Thanks gents. |
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I have an AAC 51T flashhider with FAL left hand threads, if you happen to be around DFW prior to your hunt
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Originally Posted By jvhuse: I have an AAC 51T flashhider with FAL left hand threads, if you happen to be around DFW prior to your hunt View Quote I really appreciate the offer. I am ordering a modified gas plug from DSA and I will do some experiments when I get home. Its a para fal and I know they are a little finicky when suppressed. I would hate to bring it down there and have issues. |
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Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX: Well we are on the bus heading back to Dallas. The trip overall was successful. It took me multiple days until I actually got the chance to see and shoot at some hogs as they were bedded down and not moving. The first one was a small one on the run which I shot at and missed. The next day I saw another small one at 30 yards and shot. Missed. He ran and I tried again. Miss. I was starting to get frustrated as other guys were starting to rack up the numbers. Then again they all had optics and or thermal scopes. Finally on the 2nd to last day I got on a larger hog and had the chance to shoot at 50ish yards. I hit him in the leg as he ran away from me. He turned and ran towards me and I launched a few more rounds at him.he finally went down and I ended up putting a few rounds of 45 into him to get him to die. I had my m1 set at 100 yards on the elevation which when I sighted it in I was dead on with a 6 o clock hold. So I dropped the elevation down to zero and kept on moving. We got onto a large hog and my buddy shot and hit it. It got up and started to run. I hit it in the front shoulder on the run and it dropped. It was a nice looking white and brown hog. We missed the largest hog by 1 lb. So when I get a chance I need to see why I was so off with my elevations on the first pig. I felt like I should be an inch ot two low at close up but maybe it was just poor shooting? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136887/20211211_125927-2201286.jpg 150gr Hornady SST they pulled out of his shoulder. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136887/20211211_140114-2201287.jpg View Quote Sounds to me like you didn’t practice offhand and got excited and started yanking the trigger and looking over your sights. My wife was the world’s worst to break from this habit. I’ve seen kids do this a lot. |
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Glad you got a couple. The more we kill the better!
Regarding the rifle - if you head back to the range and find your zero is good its probably like the above poster stated. Its very fun to shoot moving targets but very few get the opportunity to train on it before putting it to the test. Pigs can actually run pretty fast and aiming right where you expect to hit the boiler room is probably a few inches behind the pig. Not to mention aiming low or high as well. Theyre big targets but it doesn't take much to miss them in the heat of the moment. I generally aim for their snout when I'm shooting at a runner - that way it hits them center mass. |
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Originally Posted By sparkyD: Sounds to me like you didn’t practice offhand and got excited and started yanking the trigger and looking over your sights. My wife was the world’s worst to break from this habit. I’ve seen kids do this a lot. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sparkyD: Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX: Well we are on the bus heading back to Dallas. The trip overall was successful. It took me multiple days until I actually got the chance to see and shoot at some hogs as they were bedded down and not moving. The first one was a small one on the run which I shot at and missed. The next day I saw another small one at 30 yards and shot. Missed. He ran and I tried again. Miss. I was starting to get frustrated as other guys were starting to rack up the numbers. Then again they all had optics and or thermal scopes. Finally on the 2nd to last day I got on a larger hog and had the chance to shoot at 50ish yards. I hit him in the leg as he ran away from me. He turned and ran towards me and I launched a few more rounds at him.he finally went down and I ended up putting a few rounds of 45 into him to get him to die. I had my m1 set at 100 yards on the elevation which when I sighted it in I was dead on with a 6 o clock hold. So I dropped the elevation down to zero and kept on moving. We got onto a large hog and my buddy shot and hit it. It got up and started to run. I hit it in the front shoulder on the run and it dropped. It was a nice looking white and brown hog. We missed the largest hog by 1 lb. So when I get a chance I need to see why I was so off with my elevations on the first pig. I felt like I should be an inch ot two low at close up but maybe it was just poor shooting? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136887/20211211_125927-2201286.jpg 150gr Hornady SST they pulled out of his shoulder. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136887/20211211_140114-2201287.jpg Sounds to me like you didn’t practice offhand and got excited and started yanking the trigger and looking over your sights. My wife was the world’s worst to break from this habit. I’ve seen kids do this a lot. I guess anything is possible. I have shot that gun a lot from different positions. I hardly shoot it from a bench rest position and the shots felt great. The pig was on a dead run going away from me. Who knows? |
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Could have been shooting them in the wrong spot. My first few hogs, which I shot with 5.56 and also 308 in fmj and cup+core, I shot like I would have a deer, right behind the shoulder. I KNEW better, but rushed the shots thinking I needed to get as many as I could and wasn't concerned with saving meat. A few were pass-througs with hardly any reaction though an audible thump, and a few rolled the hogs but allowed them to get back up running.
I am doing better, now. Hogs, not so much |
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