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Posted: 3/22/2021 10:36:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2021 10:52:12 PM EDT by shooter_gregg]
I live in a single wide manufactured home that was originally a hunting cabin. It did well during the hard freeze but it got me thinking about upgrades to make life more secure here on the ranch.
I have a number of older out buildings that are stuffed to the gills with assorted family junk. I also had a walk in cooler that was so old it had square head bolts. Age and mold did it in. Remember, this is an old hunting camp. Wiring and plumbing is more or less up to code, for the 1950s. I hauled it to the burn pile and cleared off the area it sat on. It had wiring running to the well pump and another building.
So wanting to have a place to store food, have a place for canning and not having it in the house I decided to buy a building and make it what I want.
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Old cooler. That is a FPE breaker panel, the kind that catch fire on occasion.

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Site prep with new breaker box.

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The new building arrives. They use a 2 wheel mule to drag it into position.

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In position.

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First thing is to wire it up. That's as far as I got on the first day. More in store as days go by.

This is a work in progress. I will add to this as work progresses.
Link Posted: 3/23/2021 5:13:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/23/2021 5:14:05 AM EDT by 45ProCarry]
Are you planning on putting it on a concrete pad?  Plumbing?
Link Posted: 3/23/2021 3:11:49 PM EDT
It is on concrete blocks. The driver misplaced it slightly. I will move it with my tractor.
I may put a sink on the outside. No plans for inside. It will also have a carport roof over the front. That is where my deer skinning rack used to be. That is where I plan to have the sink.
Eventually I will have a fridge and a couple freezers inside. I have an upright and a chest freezer.
First insulate and air condition the building or it will be too hot for any refrigeration.
Link Posted: 4/6/2021 7:47:35 PM EDT
Ok it's been awhile. I was waiting on the insulation kit to show up. Amazon isn't always the best price. This has been a learning experience. It is harder than it looks to lay the foam evenly and get good coverage. After I applied the insulation I scanned the walls and ceiling with a thermal camera. There were several spots with only minimal coating and a few bare spots. So I ordered another kit. This one filled the holes and put a thicker layer all around.
If you ever use one of these kits follow the instructions. Cover all exposed skin and use a respirator. Even in the small shed with the door and windows open the smell got to me.

FIrst attempt.
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It's hard to see but the foam didn't expand much. The pieces on the floor didn't adhere to the ceiling. It is as much art as technique to apply it right. The second coat did better but didn't always mix correctly. You can tell by the color of the foam and the bubbles on the surface.
Second coat.
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Overall a better job. This stuff gets hot as it reacts but cools off soon after. It felt like the sun beating down on the roof when I was applying up high. I still haven't got it right as some of the foam sagged when applied. Youtube videos will help but it takes practice.
There is a lot of cleanup to do. It sticks but isn't too hard to scrape off.

Next up is storage. Cabinets or shelves? I haven't decided yet but until I do I have some shelves I can borrow.
Link Posted: 4/6/2021 11:26:33 PM EDT
Nice work I wanna see how this turns out

Question, how are you going to use this?

Just have fridges in there with shelf for dry goods? What about pests?
Also what do you plan on doing about the change in temperature with thw different seasons?


Link Posted: 4/7/2021 12:49:09 AM EDT
Are you going to put up paneling or something to protect the foam and what not?  Not sure if needed but I could see the foam over time being damaged.

You have the studs right there.  Not hard to run shelves and put a lip on the shelf to keep things in place for a minor earth quake or someone being clumsy.

I am more careful now about building shelves to what I store, old tuna cans vs new ones are my example.  I did not make em adjustable cause I am lazy and not that great at construction.

Cabinets sound good but to some extent they can be a problem.  They can hinder air flow if you are trying to keep this building at a set temp.  If the doors are loose bugs or mice can squeeze in and even if they can't chew into the can their making a mess sucks.

My kitchen will always have cabinet doors cause that is just what I prefer.  A pantry, I like it open so I can see all my stuffs.  To some extent in the kitchen the doors keep the products protected while cooking and washing dishes and what not, keeps the cat out as well.

If just borrowing some of the free standing shelving like gorilla shelves you can mess around and see what works best for you.  I feel they waste some space with the 2 inch shelf supports and at the same time depending on how you load shelves they need that much support.


Link Posted: 4/7/2021 9:08:36 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PA-Minuteman:
Nice work I wanna see how this turns out

Question, how are you going to use this?

Just have fridges in there with shelf for dry goods? What about pests?
Also what do you plan on doing about the change in temperature with thw different seasons?


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I have one fridge and at least two freezers going in here. The floor plan is still undecided so I'm going to use shelves at first. Cabinets would be nice as I could design counter space in as well. One I get the foam trimmed down and the studs cleaned off I plan on putting in 3/8 cdx for the interior walls. That will give the building even more strength.
Pests will have a hard time getting in. It will end up tight as a bank vault. The only weak point would be the door. I have to look at that to see how resistant it is to infiltration.
With the appliances generating heat I will have to cool it to keep the shelf stable foods from getting baked. A 6000 btu a/c should keep it cool enough. As long as I can keep it under 80 degrees or should be fine. It gets over 100 degrees in the summer. In have thermometers to keep track of the inside and outside conditions. The first year is all about testing.
I appreciate any input on design ideas. I suck at organization.
Link Posted: 4/7/2021 9:26:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By biere:
Are you going to put up paneling or something to protect the foam and what not?  Not sure if needed but I could see the foam over time being damaged.

You have the studs right there.  Not hard to run shelves and put a lip on the shelf to keep things in place for a minor earth quake or someone being clumsy.

I am more careful now about building shelves to what I store, old tuna cans vs new ones are my example.  I did not make em adjustable cause I am lazy and not that great at construction.

Cabinets sound good but to some extent they can be a problem.  They can hinder air flow if you are trying to keep this building at a set temp.  If the doors are loose bugs or mice can squeeze in and even if they can't chew into the can their making a mess sucks.

My kitchen will always have cabinet doors cause that is just what I prefer.  A pantry, I like it open so I can see all my stuffs.  To some extent in the kitchen the doors keep the products protected while cooking and washing dishes and what not, keeps the cat out as well.

If just borrowing some of the free standing shelving like gorilla shelves you can mess around and see what works best for you.  I feel they waste some space with the 2 inch shelf supports and at the same time depending on how you load shelves they need that much support.


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Yes on the paneling. I want dead air space between the studs and to protect the foam. Since I'm using plywood it will also strengthen the structure. I don't have earthquakes here but a rare tornado shows up.
I hope to make this a canning kitchen as well as a pantry. Some cabinets with counter space would be nice. Anything requiring heat like a canner will be done outside.
Shelves make inventory easier and things get lost in cabinets. It might be easier to put shelves on the walls and put a table in the middle for working on. This thing is 10x16 so I think there will be a lot of open space.
Link Posted: 4/7/2021 2:51:07 PM EDT
Just a note. Some of the foam didn't mix properly and left a sticky mess in spots. The foam didn't dry. These things are finicky.
Link Posted: 4/8/2021 12:52:55 AM EDT
I would consider making or buying used something that rolls.  If you can find 4 or 6 big wheels for a cart on discount you can make your own sort of moving dolley and build a table to it or attach wheels to a table or whatever.  Think somewhat of a rolling tool cabinet mechanics have, but might skip all the little drawers.

I look for the solid rubber wheels you can use on garden carts, I despise the air filled ones that age and leak so quickly.  Even if they don't match you can usually find some discounted ones and buy 1 at full price maybe.

You might also consider a mechanics cart as well.  Makes it easy to load things on cart and roll over to shelf where it will be stored.

I don't know what your real live floor space will be and this is something you have to see and work with to see what you think.

You can make library aisles for more storage.  You need space to get down the aisles and you want to make sure you don't create something you hate using.  For shelves like this you load from back and unload from front so always last in and first out if you do it right.

We did this in a room in my dad's basement.  He had a zillion old car mags he loved to read again and again and lots of other stuff.  So putting shelving coming out from the wall let us have more shelves in the room than normal if you just covered the walls only.  

We used totes so that basically he would finish a tote and it could go back down and I could just bring up the next tote.  If he wanted something specific we had somewhat inventoried it and could do that but taking a tote down and bringing a tote up was nice and easy.

For your setup I would attach these shelves to the ceiling and wall.  I agree on making things super duper sturdy.

You can read up on air changeover and what not, your air conditioner will probably do this on its own somewhat.

On the door I recomend looking at how folks up north seal doors.  You have a gasket on the framework usually the door will close against.  You can't just slam these doors shut, kinda gotta pull it shut slowly squishing the gasket as it forms to the door.  There are other options as well but I would use a sturdy insulated door and hinges and set it up with a serious gasket system.  

Should make tracking any bugs or mice easy if you have things set up really well and sealed and caulked shut.
Link Posted: 5/1/2021 9:01:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/2/2021 11:09:28 PM EDT by shooter_gregg]
Sorry for the delay.
I put up some expensive paneling. 3/8 CDX. It was close to $40/sheet.
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Paint was a little cheaper and brightened up the place. I got the shelves from Home Depot. Worth the $104 per unit. You can make either a tall shelving unit or two half height units. They also sell tempered hardboard that will fit with two notches on one end.
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I'm still putting it together but so far I have a fridge, chest freezer and throat three and a half shelving units installed.
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I haven't decided on whether to keep the gray shelf yet. I thought about a can rotator system but they seem to take up a lot of space.


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Link Posted: 5/2/2021 8:00:58 PM EDT
Looking good man

If you can keep an eye of the temperature year round. I would lobe to take notes and see what the difference is
Link Posted: 5/2/2021 10:58:38 PM EDT
I have a weather station that can have up to 8 extra sensors. I am going to put one in here to monitor it. I also have temperature probes for the freezers that are linked through the internet to my phone. That is the next phase I will be posting on here.
Link Posted: 5/3/2021 1:15:13 PM EDT
I would consider some window curtains for your windows, no need to advertise what is inside.
Link Posted: 5/3/2021 2:15:07 PM EDT
Looks great!  What are you planning for temp/humidity control in there?
Link Posted: 5/4/2021 6:45:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lumper:
I would consider some window curtains for your windows, no need to advertise what is inside.
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I live on a ranch. The door isn't locked. The nearest people are cousins 2 miles up the road. Blocking heat would be a better goal.
Link Posted: 5/4/2021 6:46:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Milsurpninja:
Looks great!  What are you planning for temp/humidity control in there?
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I have a 6k btu window unit. A space heater for freezing weather.
Link Posted: 5/4/2021 9:18:16 PM EDT
Not sure where you're located, but a couple of ideas:

- dig a hole and build a root cellar, trap door access from inside
- ceiling vents w/ fan
- boards across rafters for storing more junk!
Link Posted: 5/4/2021 9:19:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/4/2021 9:20:29 PM EDT by shooter_gregg]
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Originally Posted By RoadWarrior:
Not sure where you're located, but a couple of ideas:

- dig a hole and build a root cellar, trap door access from inside
- ceiling vents w/ fan
- boards across rafters for storing more junk!
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Got any dynamite?
There are vents on both eaves. I leave them open to let the heat out.
Not a lot of extra room but I've been thinking about it.
Link Posted: 5/5/2021 9:55:12 PM EDT
If you put a shelving unit on a wall like a library shelf unit, narrow end against wall and the shelving unit sticks out, and leave yourself room to access both sides you can make ones side in and other side out for the cans.  And thereby rotate em.

You have to watch weight and capability of shelf, dolley, and the floor but a shelving unit on wheels lets you spin it back and forth for loading and unloading and if you have several you can pack em tight and roll em out to get what you need.
Link Posted: 6/21/2021 4:05:53 PM EDT
Bump for coming updates.
Link Posted: 7/19/2021 8:56:31 PM EDT
Just a quick update. I installed gfi's on both circuits in the pantry. Bad idea for something with refrigeration. A thunderstorm came through and Knoxville out both circuits at different times.
Telltales saved the day. One had the air conditioner on it and I heard that it wasn't running. I reset that one some time later the freezer alarm notified me that it was warming up. I was in town at the time. When I got home I checked and, sure enough, the other side had tripped. Since they are in a remote building I made sure to have a way to keep track of the frozen stuff.

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