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Originally Posted By SWIRE: @Kitties-with-Sigs Fiona is alive and showed up tonight looking noticeably thinner. Perhaps the distress noises were from her delivering this kits. From what I had read kits should be born the end of March or early April, so this seems a bit late. Whatever the noise was, if it was related to her she made it through. I threw out extra food for her. Last year's kit was also there. I fed both and looked further back in the yard and toward close to where the den would be and saw a third fox sitting in the yard keeping an eye on things. It looks like Fred was providing security like he always does. Fiona tonight https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/fiona_2023-04-30-2801738.png View Quote Oh thank God. I hope the kits are okay. A difficult birth sometimes means trouble. Glad to know all in the family were present. Wish you could have seen Fred better. Surprised he didn't come out farther. Maybe he's extra paranoid if the new kits have been born. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Wish you could have seen Fred better. Surprised he didn't come out farther. Maybe he's extra paranoid if the new kits have been born. View Quote I was surprised he came out at all. I always heard one will stay back and watch the kits while the other hunts. He was sitting in a position where he could see Fiona but also had a direct line for hearing back to the den. Fiona ate a few bites and then started hiding the rest of the food in various spots around the area. I'm guessing she wanted to hide it so other animals wouldn't get it and then she will come back later to eat or for Fred to eat once I was gone. |
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Anything new with the actual homestead projects?
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Thankfully the trees are very light weight and easy to pull over even if they are leaning the wrong way. I tried to this with a hackberry last year while using my tractor. It did not go well. Between the light weight and the tow rope the result is I look like an expert at falling trees. This one dropped right where I wanted and didn't touch the sassafras tree that it fell next to. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree6-2802642.png This tree was concerning as it was top heavy in multiple directions. All the infrastructure lines behind and to the side of it are clearly visible. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree7-2802643.png It dropped where I wanted, missed the sassafras tree and did not interfere with the traffic on the road. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree8-2802655.png Making progress and a mess. I have cut more trees down than this but I don't have any after pictures yet. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree9-2802662.png View Quote Nice! That is the kind of update I have been waiting for. Good show. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Thankfully the trees are very light weight and easy to pull over even if they are leaning the wrong way. I tried to this with a hackberry last year while using my tractor. It did not go well. Between the light weight and the tow rope the result is I look like an expert at falling trees. This one dropped right where I wanted and didn't touch the sassafras tree that it fell next to. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree6-2802642.png This tree was concerning as it was top heavy in multiple directions. All the infrastructure lines behind and to the side of it are clearly visible. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree7-2802643.png It dropped where I wanted, missed the sassafras tree and did not interfere with the traffic on the road. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree8-2802655.png Making progress and a mess. I have cut more trees down than this but I don't have any after pictures yet. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree9-2802662.png View Quote I'm surprised y'all's power company doesn't come and hack those off. Ours butchers the trees at least once a year. Not saying the Ailanthus are worth saving, but... |
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Originally Posted By JoseCuervo: Nice! That is the kind of update I have been waiting for. Good show. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JoseCuervo: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Thankfully the trees are very light weight and easy to pull over even if they are leaning the wrong way. I tried to this with a hackberry last year while using my tractor. It did not go well. Between the light weight and the tow rope the result is I look like an expert at falling trees. This one dropped right where I wanted and didn't touch the sassafras tree that it fell next to. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree6-2802642.png This tree was concerning as it was top heavy in multiple directions. All the infrastructure lines behind and to the side of it are clearly visible. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree7-2802643.png It dropped where I wanted, missed the sassafras tree and did not interfere with the traffic on the road. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree8-2802655.png Making progress and a mess. I have cut more trees down than this but I don't have any after pictures yet. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree9-2802662.png Nice! That is the kind of update I have been waiting for. Good show. I started working out there once the time changed back. Not sure why winter affects me so much now. I grew up a lot further north on a farm and used to work outside all winter long. Now I've just gotten comfortable and lazy I guess and prefer not too. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: I'm surprised y'all's power company doesn't come and hack those off. Ours butchers the trees at least once a year. Not saying the Ailanthus are worth saving, but... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Thankfully the trees are very light weight and easy to pull over even if they are leaning the wrong way. I tried to this with a hackberry last year while using my tractor. It did not go well. Between the light weight and the tow rope the result is I look like an expert at falling trees. This one dropped right where I wanted and didn't touch the sassafras tree that it fell next to. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree6-2802642.png This tree was concerning as it was top heavy in multiple directions. All the infrastructure lines behind and to the side of it are clearly visible. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree7-2802643.png It dropped where I wanted, missed the sassafras tree and did not interfere with the traffic on the road. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree8-2802655.png Making progress and a mess. I have cut more trees down than this but I don't have any after pictures yet. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tree9-2802662.png I'm surprised y'all's power company doesn't come and hack those off. Ours butchers the trees at least once a year. Not saying the Ailanthus are worth saving, but... The lines are fiber optic lines and the pole is owned by AT&T. The phone companies do not care about trees and put it all on the owner. The street light has had problems and I tried to get the crews working on it to cut the branches back but they won't. I called the city and said they were interfering with the street lights and city said they would trim them back but never did. I just want that chance of a lawsuit taken off my plate. Also those trees put out millions of seeds combined and those suckers will grow everywhere. I'm working on removing all of that type of tree from the property. The next step is trying to figure out what type of trees to plant back there. I need something that will grow tall enough a dump truck can fit under it but not something that will grow more than 30 feet or grow too wide and hit the neighbors house. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: The lines are fiber optic lines and the pole is owned by AT&T. The phone companies do not care about trees and put it all on the owner. The street light has had problems and I tried to get the crews working on it to cut the branches back but they won't. I called the city and said they were interfering with the street lights and city said they would trim them back but never did. I just want that chance of a lawsuit taken off my plate. Also those trees put out millions of seeds combined and those suckers will grow everywhere. I'm working on removing all of that type of tree from the property. The next step is trying to figure out what type of trees to plant back there. I need something that will grow tall enough a dump truck can fit under it but not something that will grow more than 30 feet or grow too wide and hit the neighbors house. View Quote That requires a tree to grow 30' high or less, with no limbs below 15 feet. I don't think you're gonna find a tree like that. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: That requires a tree to grow 30' high or less, with no limbs below 15 feet. I don't think you're gonna find a tree like that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Originally Posted By SWIRE: The lines are fiber optic lines and the pole is owned by AT&T. The phone companies do not care about trees and put it all on the owner. The street light has had problems and I tried to get the crews working on it to cut the branches back but they won't. I called the city and said they were interfering with the street lights and city said they would trim them back but never did. I just want that chance of a lawsuit taken off my plate. Also those trees put out millions of seeds combined and those suckers will grow everywhere. I'm working on removing all of that type of tree from the property. The next step is trying to figure out what type of trees to plant back there. I need something that will grow tall enough a dump truck can fit under it but not something that will grow more than 30 feet or grow too wide and hit the neighbors house. That requires a tree to grow 30' high or less, with no limbs below 15 feet. I don't think you're gonna find a tree like that. Technically the tree will sit about 2 feet above the driveway as the rock wall sort of creates a raised bed. So no branches below 13 ft. It would take pruning of the lower branches for it to work. Or I just need to find a tree that is less than 10 ft in diameter when mature. Still not sure that I will find what I think I'm looking for but that is what my idea is right now. |
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I am just so thankful that Fiona and family are okay.
I would have freaked out completely when I heard the screams. Thank you, Lord, for helping this little family. |
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Fiona has been coming around and looking well but we've had rain the last 2 nights and I haven't seen her. The Little One was gone for 2 nights but she showed up tonight. She looks just her mom. I can only tell them apart by how close they will come to me or where they are sitting in the yard when i get out there.
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Fiona has been coming around and looking well but we've had rain the last 2 nights and I haven't seen her. The Little One was gone for 2 nights but she showed up tonight. She looks just her mom. I can only tell them apart by how close they will come to me or where they are sitting in the yard when i get out there. View Quote I'm kind of surprised the little female is still around. I would have figured Fiona would have run her off along with the boys. Maybe because there is a ready source of reliable food, they have not. I don't know fox family dynamics. In some animal family structures, the older siblings help to raise and train the younger. I have no idea about fox though. Will be interesting to see what happens when the new kits start coming around. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: I'm kind of surprised the little female is still around. I would have figured Fiona would have run her off along with the boys. Maybe because there is a ready source of reliable food, they have not. I don't know fox family dynamics. In some animal family structures, the older siblings help to raise and train the younger. I have no idea about fox though. Will be interesting to see what happens when the new kits start coming around. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Fiona has been coming around and looking well but we've had rain the last 2 nights and I haven't seen her. The Little One was gone for 2 nights but she showed up tonight. She looks just her mom. I can only tell them apart by how close they will come to me or where they are sitting in the yard when i get out there. I'm kind of surprised the little female is still around. I would have figured Fiona would have run her off along with the boys. Maybe because there is a ready source of reliable food, they have not. I don't know fox family dynamics. In some animal family structures, the older siblings help to raise and train the younger. I have no idea about fox though. Will be interesting to see what happens when the new kits start coming around. When they were all kits there was a smaller one that always hung back in the shed and Fiona would take food to it. Even when they were all 3/4 grown that one would hang back and Fiona would bring some food to it. If I had to guess that would be the little one that she allowed to stay around; hence the name Little One. I have no way of knowing for sure though, just a guess based on behavior. The boys ran off on their own which is what all the research I did said they would do. Once fall comes the kits are supposed to leave the area and go off on their own adventures. Fiona would snap at them if they got close her while eating but she never went after them or their food. The only one she actively chased off was the 5th kit that showed up half way through summer. It was the oddest thing, there would be 3 kits and her eating in the fall, and she would run circles around the other two kits while chasing the last kit away. Then she would come back and continue eating with her 2 kits. That's when I started thinking the 5th kit came from another family. |
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They are amazing.
Wonder how long before the new kits (hoping they are whole and well) come around? I lose track of time these days. Don't remember when she (maybe) had them. |
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Originally Posted By Kitties-with-Sigs: I lose track of time these days. Don't remember when she (maybe) had them. View Quote My prior posts in this thread is the best timeline. It was on 4/30 that she came back after being gone for 5 days. Assuming she had them the night I heard the animal in distress that would be around April 25th that she had them. I have a picture from April 29th last year which shows she was nursing then. I think she had them a few weeks later than she did last year. It wasn't until July last year before I first saw a glimpse of the kits. I would expect it to be another month for that. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: Things just got a little more interesting with the foxes. Fiona is a grandmother. Now I really need to come up with a different name for "Little" because in a month or two things are going to get really confusing. Any suggestions for what I should name the fox in the background of the pictures above? Poor quality picture but it is just barely possible to tell that she is nursing. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/little_23_6_7-2843653.jpg As for the backyard and gardens the grass has come in nicely but there is still a lot of work to do on the gardens. The lilies are starting to bloom and the foxes hang out in the background. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/lillys_foxes-2843655.jpg The tiger lilies just opened up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/tiger_lilly-2843654.jpg View Quote Gorgeous lilies! I like Little Bit...or Lily! |
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wish we could get some foxes to hang around.
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Looks like you’ve got a slice of paradise there. Very cool!
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First sighting to the new batch of fox kits last night! It was near dark so I don't have any pictures. Fiona started running off with small bites of hotdog and would return in 30 seconds. Previously she would only run off with a whole hotdog and it is about a 2 minute round trip to her den. On the third small piece that she took off with I followed her at a distance and got to see at least 2 kits come out from the brush to her. She is a month later at bringing them out and they are a bit larger than they were last year but not a month older. The male was around as well and I tossed him a couple whole hotdogs. Once I moved to a spot where the male could see me the kits disappeared. I heard a couple small barks, which is similar to what I heard last year from the male telling the kits to hide. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: @Kitties-with-Sigs First sighting to the new batch of fox kits last night! It was near dark so I don't have any pictures. Fiona started running off with small bites of hotdog and would return in 30 seconds. Previously she would only run off with a whole hotdog and it is about a 2 minute round trip to her den. On the third small piece that she took off with I followed her at a distance and got to see at least 2 kits come out from the brush to her. She is a month later at bringing them out and they are a bit larger than they were last year but not a month older. The male was around as well and I tossed him a couple whole hotdogs. Once I moved to a spot where the male could see me the kits disappeared. I heard a couple small barks, which is similar to what I heard last year from the male telling the kits to hide. View Quote Any signs of the pregnant daughter? Did I miss an update on that? Otters are pretty adorable, btw. Cool that you have those. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: The daughter comes nightly for hotdogs as well. She will take food and run off as well. There is a male that daughter seems friendly with and there was male the other night where I saw the kits but he did not look like the original dad. The daughter seems to run off in the same direction as the mother. So maybe they have near by dens? I have no clue how that works. The behavior tonight was really confusing as well. The daughter followed me when I moved closer to where the kits come out at. She would take hotdog pieces and hide them. At one point she headed over to where the kits were but didn't feed any of them. Tonight I saw them all and got a bit closer but still kept at least a 50' distance. Being 50' away, at dusk, and in the shade resulted in some great potato pics. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/foxes_23_8_4-2908643.jpg This guy decided to join the fun... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/skunk_23_8_4-2908644.jpg Actual distance I was from the foxes. This is raw image of the first picture. The gray blobs in front of the building are the mom and 2 kits and the daughter is on the right hand side in the middle of the frame. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/foxes_distance_23_8_4-2908645.jpg View Quote Great photos considering the circumstances! Will be interested in whether daughter brings her babies. |
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First video I have of the fox babies. I've only seen 2 so far. Last year she had 4 but around the size they are now the dad took 2 with him and the mom kept 2. So I'm not sure how many there are. A male does show up for food but doesn't take it to where the mom or daughter goes. Fox Kits 8-5-2023 |
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Tonight was a mess of foxes. Fred finally showed back up. The last time I remember seeing him as last November. Fiona, Little, and Larry all made appearances. Fred had little ones with him but I'm not sure if they were in addition to the two in my video or included them. At one point I'm pretty sure I saw 3 little ones running around together. It was near dark and everything was a blur with foxes running everywhere. Last night I'm pretty sure I saw Little's offspring, as a 1/4 size fox appeared and she took food over to it. Fiona's offspring are just over 1/3 grown. I'm still not sure where Larry fits in.
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Any updates on the beautiful homestead, aside from the foxes?
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Thanks Swire!
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: @Kitties-with-Sigs Fox update. I have seen 9 foxes so far but have a feeling there maybe 10. There were 5 little ones below the terrace wall and 3 adults and 1 little one with me above the wall. I'm still not sure of the count or family structure. I'm leaning towards 4 little ones from the original mom and 2 little ones from the daughter mainly due to size difference and behavior. It could be 5 and 1 or even 6 and 0. Other than 1 little one the daughter, Little, seems uninterested in caring for any of the others while the mom, Fiona, cares for all 6. To make it more confusing, Fiona and her litter come from behind the the shed in the middle of the property. Little comes from the corner of the house and would take food back to the corner of the house. Weeks ago I fed everyone and Little took food to the corner of the house while making the noise foxes make to call their young. The other week Little was nowhere to be found, she went 2 or 3 days without showing up. Fiona then carried food to the corner of the house making the noise to call the young. Very interesting but very confusing. Establishing order. This behavior I find intriguing. The little ones will fight over food, with some snapping and nipping as they try to steal food or claim their area to keep others away. Little, usually stays on the upper level with me but gets greedy and will go to the lower level and try to get more food with the young ones. Last week she started getting aggressive with them, snapping at them and stealing food. I yelled at her once trying to get her to knock it off. Apparently that didn't work. At one point I had turned my back to everything to look around and heard her snapping at the young ones following aggressive growling and snapping. I thought maybe she laid into one of the little ones that didn't back down. Instead I see Fiona walking away from the creek, about 100ft from where they are fed. A minute later I see Little poking her head up from the creek and slowly coming back out. Apparently Fiona had enough of Little being aggressive and went after her chasing her into the creek. Little has not acted up like that since. Two nights ago a possum came out on the upper level and was very aggressive, moving quickly and snapping, towards Fiona and a little one. They moved away instead of engaging it. Last night one of the males, I'm going to call him Larry, who is comfortable being near me was out with them when the possum came out acting like he owned the place. Larry laid into him hard, multiple bites, a couple shakes, and a toss. The possum ran off apparently learning his place. Another interesting behavior, which I may or may not be correct about, and why I think there would be 10 foxes. Last year Fred, the original dad, was always in the far back observing and providing security. The little ones below the terrace wall come out in the path between wooded areas. Several times I have been barked at by a fox that I cannot see. Fred would need to be in the woods to be behind everyone and I can't see him. The other night I went down to the lower level to put some chicken eggs out and Larry, who stays more in the middle of the group and visible started barking at me for getting too close. The other night I had a couple of the little ones on the upper terrace and was only throwing food to them, trying to get the rest of them to come up. Either the rest of them started to get too far away from Fred or Fred was getting mad that I wasn't feeding the lower level ones, either way he started barking me and stopped once I started feeding the foxes on the lower level. Then Larry started barking at me to feed the little ones on the upper level. At least that is what it seemed liked. This is the first time that 2 different foxes in two different areas of the yard barked at me. No research that I have come across suggests that foxes will work together in multi-generational units. Everything says they all go their own way in the fall. Five little ones on the lower terrace. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/foxes_23_9_5_JPG-2946745.jpg View Quote That's really interesting. I have observed that when there is enough food (seldom in nature) animals behave differently. Without your supplemental feeding, I doubt the family could stay together this way, so observations from "normal nature" would have them separating out of necessity to survive. I don't know that this is correct, but my own observations over the years certainly back it up. The only issue is....did Fred or Larry mate with daughter/sister? If so, the offspring actually born to Little might not have survived, or not many survived. No idea. Just thinking out loud. ETA: If all were Fiona's, that's a big litter. |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: For those interested in non-fox updates... The second solar array hit a snag. I was hoping to rotate the second ground mount about 90 degrees from the original to take up less horizontal space; however, gravity decided to remind me that engineering something isn't that easy. I thought I was almost done and started to mount panels but something was wrong; I could not get even 2 panels to line up together properly. Turns out the middle part of the mount had already sagged/warped about 1 1/2" inches just under its own weight. Those supports were vertical in the original but rotated 90 were now horizontal and not nearly as strong that way. I had to use large ratchet straps to pull everything back into place, add support, and remount the rails. I built the mount in a way that I could, in theory, flip it so that the top would become the bottom and I could work on it. Unfortunately that became a necessity, at least with the mount. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/solar_flip_JPG-2946772.jpg To start with I added a 4x6x12 to the top edge to serve as a beam that everything else would hang off of. Had I originally done this I might have been ok. Since I can flip my mount instead of trying to raise a 4"x6"x12' up in the air about 12', by myself, I was able to work at ground level after flipping the mount. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/solar_4_6_12_JPG-2946780.jpg Even with the straps and new beam there was still significant sag in the supports. I added 2x4s below each cross member and then screwed them all together. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/solar_sag_JPG-2946781.jpg This is what it looks like with the beam and supports. The strap in the middle is to hold the mount in this position as it is slightly top heavy due to extra weight of the beam. Once the panels are on it should be slightly bottom heavy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/solar_supported_JPG-2946783.jpg Next up I will mark the centerline again and then run a string line for the panels. That will ensure that even if the supports aren't perfectly aligned I will still have a straight centerline to align all the panels. View Quote @swire - always enjoy your updates what rails/brackets are you using on your mount? |
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I used the Ironridge brand and bought it from the AltE Store. https://www.altestore.com/search/?w=&x=0&y=0&w=ironridge
It's all designed to work together and is very easy to install. I bought the heaviest duty rail sections as they are supposed to be able to handle up to a 12 ft span. I think they sag a bit but they are still doing ok. Ironridge XR-1000 Rail, 17 Foot Section Clear (Mill) IronRidge Slotted L Foot IronRidge Universal Fastening Object (UFO) The XR-1000 rails have 3 slots in them, two on the side and one on the top. The bolts they sell are have a parallelogram shape base that fits into the slot when aligned properly but then once turned will lock into place and not rotate or fall out. That makes it easy to slide and move things up and down the rails before locking things into place and only requires one wrench to do so. You can see the two back rails the L shaped foot. Since I was mounting aluminum to pressure treated wood I used a silicone spacer under each foot and a galvanized lag screw. The UFO fastener goes between the two panels and into the top of the rail. As you tighten it down the fastener scuffs up the top of the panel to remote the paint which bonds the panel to the rail through the fastener. The micro-inverters are also mounted to the top slot in the rail. To slide my first array over all I need to do is loosen up these nuts, 16 of them total, and in theory the rails should slide. Since they have weight on them and all 4 rails need to slide at the same time it will probably be much more difficult to slide the array than I think. UFO fastener Complete list of hardware and pre-Biden inflation prices: EcoFasten Solar Stainless Steel Lag Bolt, 5/16 x 3" - quantity: 40 - price: $44.00 Ecofasten Solar 5/16" EPDM Bonded Washer - 25PK - quantity: 2 - price: $9.98 Ironridge XR Rail Wire Clips (Bag of 20) - quantity: 2 - price: $18.50 Ironridge XR-1000 Rail, 17 Foot Section, Clear - quantity: 8 - price: $526.00 Ironridge End Cap for XR-1000 Rails - Pair (Left/Right) - quantity: 8 - price: $20.40 Bonding Hardware, Square, for FlashFoot 2 and L Foot, Each - quantity: 32 - price: $40.00 IronRidge Universal Fastening Object (UFO), Clear, Each - quantity: 52 - price: $117.00 IronRidge XR Grounding Lug w Hardware, Each - quantity: 8 - price: $33.20 IronRidge Microinverter Bonding Hardware, TBolt, Each - quantity: 24 - price: $28.56 Clear (Mill) IronRidge Slotted L Foot - quantity: 32 - price: $64.00 IronRidge XR Stopper Sleeve, 40MM, Clear,EACH - quantity: 20 - price: $7.80 Bare Copper Wire by the Foot, 6AWG,solid - quantity: 100 - price: $75.00 Basket total: $984.44 Shipping: $309.47 Order Total: $1,293.91 |
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Originally Posted By SWIRE: I used the Ironridge brand and bought it from the AltE Store. https://www.altestore.com/search/?w=&x=0&y=0&w=ironridge It's all designed to work together and is very easy to install. I bought the heaviest duty rail sections as they are supposed to be able to handle up to a 12 ft span. I think they sag a bit but they are still doing ok. Ironridge XR-1000 Rail, 17 Foot Section Clear (Mill) IronRidge Slotted L Foot IronRidge Universal Fastening Object (UFO) The XR-1000 rails have 3 slots in them, two on the side and one on the top. The bolts they sell are have a parallelogram shape base that fits into the slot when aligned properly but then once turned will lock into place and not rotate or fall out. That makes it easy to slide and move things up and down the rails before locking things into place and only requires one wrench to do so. You can see the two back rails the L shaped foot. Since I was mounting aluminum to pressure treated wood I used a silicone spacer under each foot and a galvanized lag screw. The UFO fastener goes between the two panels and into the top of the rail. As you tighten it down the fastener scuffs up the top of the panel to remote the paint which bonds the panel to the rail through the fastener. The micro-inverters are also mounted to the top slot in the rail. To slide my first array over all I need to do is loosen up these nuts, 16 of them total, and in theory the rails should slide. Since they have weight on them and all 4 rails need to slide at the same time it will probably be much more difficult to slide the array than I think. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/solar_L_foot_JPG-2959399.jpg UFO fastener https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/680/solar_ufo_JPG-2959422.jpg Complete list of hardware and pre-Biden inflation prices: EcoFasten Solar Stainless Steel Lag Bolt, 5/16 x 3" - quantity: 40 - price: $44.00 Ecofasten Solar 5/16" EPDM Bonded Washer - 25PK - quantity: 2 - price: $9.98 Ironridge XR Rail Wire Clips (Bag of 20) - quantity: 2 - price: $18.50 Ironridge XR-1000 Rail, 17 Foot Section, Clear - quantity: 8 - price: $526.00 Ironridge End Cap for XR-1000 Rails - Pair (Left/Right) - quantity: 8 - price: $20.40 Bonding Hardware, Square, for FlashFoot 2 and L Foot, Each - quantity: 32 - price: $40.00 IronRidge Universal Fastening Object (UFO), Clear, Each - quantity: 52 - price: $117.00 IronRidge XR Grounding Lug w Hardware, Each - quantity: 8 - price: $33.20 IronRidge Microinverter Bonding Hardware, TBolt, Each - quantity: 24 - price: $28.56 Clear (Mill) IronRidge Slotted L Foot - quantity: 32 - price: $64.00 IronRidge XR Stopper Sleeve, 40MM, Clear,EACH - quantity: 20 - price: $7.80 Bare Copper Wire by the Foot, 6AWG,solid - quantity: 100 - price: $75.00 Basket total: $984.44 Shipping: $309.47 Order Total: $1,293.91 View Quote Thanks for the detailed info. I've got a few 395s that I'm putting on moveable skids for now (2 per skid), just to get them in play around the property, but will be doing some permanent mounts in the future for a few arrays and am trying to work out how I want to mount them. |
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