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Posted: 8/6/2019 8:00:47 PM EDT
Trying to get an idea on re-powering a 1998 hydra sports 220 bay.
Any ideas? |
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What's the max HP rating for that hull?
I like the new Mercury 200HP if you can go with that much HP. Digital throttle/shift. Quiet and smooth as silk. Probably about $16k |
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BOAT=bring over another thousand.
In this case, you may consider a line of credit on your house. I am damn lucky I got that boat stuff out of my system early in life. |
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Let me put my meat on your grill.
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[#3]
Hulltruth is what you seek.
200hp is anywhere from 13-19k |
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It’s rated for 225hp
It currently has the Johnson V6 150 Ficht motor. Which has never given me or the original owner any issues. I’m making Hera fresh water boat and was wondering what the costs might be. |
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[Last Edit: GeneralDisaray]
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Originally Posted By mag162:
It’s rated for 225hp It currently has the Johnson V6 150 Ficht motor. Which has never given me or the original owner any issues. I’m making Hera fresh water boat and was wondering what the costs might be. View Quote I believe anything over 200 and you’re going to the bigger block. More speed more maintenance more cost Zuke is the best deal out there right now. I recently priced a 200 and and it’s about 14k rigged. That’s just about the cheapest you can do it |
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Originally Posted By mag162:
It’s rated for 225hp It currently has the Johnson V6 150 Ficht motor. Which has never given me or the original owner any issues. I’m making Hera fresh water boat and was wondering what the costs might be. View Quote Btw, no issues running salt water gear in fresh, but not the other way around. |
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Going from an OMC to another brand will require a new control box
and associated cabling. That said, repower with the largest outboard your boat is rated for if possible. I've never heard anyone say "I bought too big of a motor". |
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Originally Posted By JPK:
If the current engine is running well don’t change it out. But start saving for when it starts to become unreliable. Btw, no issues running salt water gear in fresh, but not the other way around. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JPK:
Originally Posted By mag162:
It’s rated for 225hp It currently has the Johnson V6 150 Ficht motor. Which has never given me or the original owner any issues. I’m making Hera fresh water boat and was wondering what the costs might be. Btw, no issues running salt water gear in fresh, but not the other way around. |
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...behind every blade of grass...
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I thought about repowering my 17 foot alumacraft.... has a 60 hp merc on it but its rated up to a 115. After researching the costs and everything it would be smarter to just buy a new or newer boat with the motor you want. Hell... a new boat half the cost is the motor.
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Originally Posted By Phildo:
I thought about repowering my 17 foot alumacraft.... has a 60 hp merc on it but its rated up to a 115. After researching the costs and everything it would be smarter to just buy a new or newer boat with the motor you want. Hell... a new boat half the cost is the motor. View Quote However, "if you like your hull, you can keep your hull". This gives you the option of a brand new propulsion system, with warranty, for 1/2 of the new boat price. If your hull is clapped out, then it's not worth it to repower. |
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My experience is $100 per 1HP that is going new with new controls and install. A lot a variables but has always served me well with a project or five.
ETA: With most boats you pay for the engine and drive and the platform to set it in is nominal. Jet boats and bigger outboards seem to tilt that theory a bit, old school jet boats are just that and I've found a lot of 'bass boat' guys will re-power just to nab the latest and greatest leaving a used unit on the market for a fraction of the price. Another thing I've learned over the years is sometimes a re-power isn't the best route, rebuild and or proper troubleshooting can save a ton of coin. Have also learned that props, proper loading, and even piloting (driving) correctly can make a ton of difference. Just my experience but listen to KB he's one of the best around. |
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So, for a n00b - why is a boat motor so expensive?
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The old school mentality of 'if you can afford a corvette you can afford to by and pay for parts and service'. That is the best I've came up with... I have 2 decades of professional experience in the automotive and heavy equipment/machinery world as a tech, instructor, and analyst and I still cannot wrap my head around boats.
With that said, there is a ton of good info on the .net for someone handy with a wrench. 2 stroke is a 2 stroke if you have ever been a dirt bike guy, one thing I have noticed and messes me up is service literature on marine "stuff" is not written from the same breed of engineers or publishers like just about everything else on the planet (feel bad for marine techs!). I/O drives, outboards, heck even jets are silly expensive when you say BOAT (break out another thousand). Look at the the 5.3L outdrives going for crazy cash (30K+) and GM (LS based) power head with a right angle gear box... What kind of engine could you build in a car for that with a hydraulic transmission and a few gear boxes? It is marketing and niche trade and I respect that fully respect, but to beat you have to put in the time to learn it. An very good boat builder a long time ago I blue printed engines for told me " you pay for the drive the hull hopefully works". After owning a dozen plus of them I am slowly understanding that! And he was the hull designer... |
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Originally Posted By jdrautoworks:
The old school mentality of 'if you can afford a corvette you can afford to by and pay for parts and service'. That is the best I've came up with... I have 2 decades of professional experience in the automotive and heavy equipment/machinery world as a tech, instructor, and analyst and I still cannot wrap my head around boats. With that said, there is a ton of good info on the .net for someone handy with a wrench. 2 stroke is a 2 stroke if you have ever been a dirt bike guy, one thing I have noticed and messes me up is service literature on marine "stuff" is not written from the same breed of engineers or publishers like just about everything else on the planet (feel bad for marine techs!). I/O drives, outboards, heck even jets are silly expensive when you say BOAT (break out another thousand). Look at the the 5.3L outdrives going for crazy cash (30K+) and GM (LS based) power head with a right angle gear box... What kind of engine could you build in a car for that with a hydraulic transmission and a few gear boxes? It is marketing and niche trade and I respect that fully respect, but to beat you have to put in the time to learn it. An very good boat builder a long time ago I blue printed engines for told me " you pay for the drive the hull hopefully works". After owning a dozen plus of them I am slowly understanding that! And he was the hull designer... View Quote |
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Originally Posted By jonathan2421:
So, for a n00b - why is a boat motor so expensive? View Quote to EPA standards. They are also having to step into the 21st century unlike aircraft engines which are 1940's tech. The new outboards are far more advanced than motors of just 10 years ago. 2-strokes, for the most part, are gone and the new 4-stroke outboards are EFI and some are even "fly by wire". The only 2-strokes available today are larger, direct injected and pretty complex but still made to appease the "muh 2-stroke" crowd. |
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...behind every blade of grass...
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Originally Posted By notanotheratf:
Yo, whenever a chick wants new boobs-- it's a sign she's wanting to get back on the market. Just saying. Those things are used as either bait or food.. |
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I just paid 7k for. Repower of my 13ft whaler with a 40hp Yamaha. Best deal I could find
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Stay thirsty my friends.
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Originally Posted By KB7DX: Going from an OMC to another brand will require a new control box and associated cabling. That said, repower with the largest outboard your boat is rated for if possible. I've never heard anyone say "I bought too big of a motor". View Quote This 100%. Despite what the boat salesman told you when he sold you the boat with a low hp (highest profit margin for him), the boat designer designed the damn thing with the rated hp in mind. No, your boat will not get better fuel mileage with the small one, unless you idle everywhere. You’ll get far better with a large outboard effortlessly pushing it on plane CS the small one struggling. Mine has twin 115 Yamaha. Typically also sold with twin 150’s. I’m looking at twin Suzuki 200’s if/when I repower. But I’m not in a rush. Snapper season is coming in 2 months and I’m going to fish it the way it is for at least one summer. |
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I’ve got a 2006 key west 17 With a 90 hp Evinrude E tech. Out of curiosity I stopped at the Evinrude dealer and asked where the new 90 would cost and they said about 13.5 K. I about fell over I only paid 11 for the boat
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Originally Posted By KB7DX: Like aircraft and the FAA, marine engines have to pass USCG specs and conform to EPA standards. They are also having to step into the 21st century unlike aircraft engines which are 1940's tech. The new outboards are far more advanced than motors of just 10 years ago. 2-strokes, for the most part, are gone and the new 4-stroke outboards are EFI and some are even "fly by wire". The only 2-strokes available today are larger, direct injected and pretty complex but still made to appease the "muh 2-stroke" crowd. View Quote Bought a new Tracker 19.8' with a Mercury 225 XS Pro. Took it on a 110 mile trip on Big Horn Lake with 4 adults and a 10 year old and it got 4.4 mpg. Supposedly that is really good. Someone told me that some of the cylinders cut out (it's a v8) at cruising. |
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