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Posted: 11/28/2019 3:14:57 PM EDT
It's been a while since I've done a rifle project. Life doesn't allow much extra these days.
Now that the kids are hunting with me in a serious way (this was year 6), it was time for the old man to start packing something lighter: Attached File Here's what I'd been doing (14lb-RPR): Attached File After our cow elk last year, I started this project, but didn't quite have it ready for our hunts this year But at long last the first test has been run. Requirements: ~8lb unloaded, as short as feasible for backpack stowage, head-neck shot ready, adequate to 500yd on medium game, suppressed for hearing safety. As pictured: Tikka T3 action PVA Criterion 18" T3 Lite contour 6mm Creedmoor 1/2-28 threads Sig SRD556 direct thread MDT LSS XL stock AGP .22 folding stock EGW 20MOA base Leupold Mark-AR 3-9x40 Need to finalize scope and rings, I want the size/weight of the Leupold MarkAR with hunting turrets. I may source a 4-12 Patrol with TMR and get Kenton knobs w/stops. Less than a box of rounds through, just enough to sight in. Shots 5-7 were for a 3rd group during zero, 100yds. Hornady 103gr ELD-X factory ammo. Next stop will be testing longer range performance. I should say that I'm a huge fan of "classic" mountain rifle designs, and would have loved to take it in a more traditional direction. Problem is, traditional look/feel would have been 50%+ more expensive and also not fit all of the portability requirements. Attached File Attached File |
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I used to carry a 16” DPMS LR308 elk hunting. Darn near 13 lbs with glass and ammo. Dropped a couple elk with it but got tired of carrying that much weight.
Pretty much moving in the same direction as you. Lighter is better out here. Also wishing I had bought the Tikka like you, but the ruger works well. The trigger group looks like something on an air soft gun though. How much $ are you going to have in that? Really a nice package. Attached File The ruger Attached File My fav elk rifle Attached File |
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I used to carry a 16” DPMS LR308 elk hunting. Darn near 13 lbs with glass and ammo. Dropped a couple elk with it but got tired of carrying that much weight. Pretty much moving in the same direction as you. Lighter is better out here. Also wishing I had bought the Tikka like you, but the ruger works well. The trigger group looks like something on an air soft gun though. How much $ are you going to have in that? Really a nice package. View Quote Using typical pricing, I think total not counting suppressor (which is used for other things) would be around $2k. If starting with a 6.5mm T3, I bet you could get closer to $1.5k. Yeah, I've also packed my AR10 carbine before, it's not fun. I like my 12" Grendel a lot better for that, but it lacks the pinpoint accuracy and wind cheating of this bolt 6mm. |
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Weight with scope, suppressor and empty magazine? View Quote - Ti SRD556 - 16" instead of 18" - shorter LSS instead of XL - fluting Given unlimited money, I would prefer a folding CF hunting stock and CF barrel as well. Completely different ergonomics in that case, but I bet you could save 2lbs+ that way. The balance of this setup (with the can on the end) is pretty nice, I will say. The MDT chassis should really enhance the first-shot repeatability, critical for hunting rifles, so that's OK. |
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I have a Tikka T3X in .300wm that I'm trying to decide on a scope for. I'm torn between a Vortex Razor or Nightforce NXS but would consider other similar alternatives. I'll probably get the barrel threaded for a brake and start loading Berger 215 hybrids with H-1000. Target game is black bear, coues deer, mule deer, and elk. I feel this gun, even with a larger scope, would be manageable. I'm currently using a Tikka CTR in .260 rem. With Vortex Viper scope and AAC can, it's more accurate than me but too heavy for those August death hikes in black bear country. Used last December on a coues hunt: View Quote I generally run heavier scopes, including several NXS's in the past. I've moved to Bushnell LRHS models since they are nicely featured for hunting. Problem is, for a lighter build they are still too heavy. There is a missing niche for ultralight, Mil-reticle, low-profile Mil turret, zero-stop, illuminated, mid-power optics. The rare and elusive Leupold VX Patrol 4-12 with TMR seems to be one of the few options there. |
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I have a Tikka T3X in .300wm that I'm trying to decide on a scope for. I'm torn between a Vortex Razor or Nightforce NXS but would consider other similar alternatives. I'll probably get the barrel threaded for a brake and start loading Berger 215 hybrids with H-1000. Target game is black bear, coues deer, mule deer, and elk. I feel this gun, even with a larger scope, would be manageable. I'm currently using a Tikka CTR in .260 rem. With Vortex Viper scope and AAC can, it's more accurate than me but too heavy for those August death hikes in black bear country. Used last December on a coues hunt:https://i.imgur.com/ur62w7i.jpg View Quote |
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Remington 700 mountain SS
Or Remington model 7 HS Or Ruger M77 ultralight Or Tikka superlight |
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Sako 85 Finlight with a Razor LH (lightweight hunter)
7# 8 OZ with a Ravin sling and the Mag out. 30-06 fluted SS |
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Ouch, still looks heavy.
I picked up a M700 Ti in 30-06 a few years ago for less than a grand. 'Tactical aint practical' when hunting in the mountains. |
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Have a super lite 6.5 creed in a bravo chassis with razor HD LH that's my go to for hunting. I also picked up a seekins in 300prc with a razor amg for another lite hunting rifle. Attached File
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Quoted: Nice job! I generally run heavier scopes, including several NXS's in the past. I've moved to Bushnell LRHS models since they are nicely featured for hunting. Problem is, for a lighter build they are still too heavy. There is a missing niche for ultralight, Mil-reticle, low-profile Mil turret, zero-stop, illuminated, mid-power optics. The rare and elusive Leupold VX Patrol 4-12 with TMR seems to be one of the few options there. View Quote My dream scope is a leupold VX-5 HD 3-15 with a mil reticle. They make a number of real nice long range moa reticles in that scope, but nothing in mil. I’ve emailed them my suggestions, but for now we wait. Currently hunting with a leupold mark ar 3-9x40 with a mil dot reticle and exposed turrets. I hate the non locking exposed turrets. Other hunting scopes is a Nikon monarch 3 2.5-10x42 mil dot reticle with capped 1/4 moa turrets. Obviously the mil reticle and moa turrets are goofy. |
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Quoted: Oh tell me about it!!! I work at a gun shop, and I’ve contacted multiple manufacturer, and distributor reps, telling them how the market is completely void of lightweight hunting scopes with mil based reticles. Lots with moa reticles, but that’s no good for us military guys stuck in our ways, or people who have lots of tactical long range scopes who want to use the same reticles in their hunting scopes. My dream scope is a leupold VX-5 HD 3-15 with a mil reticle. They make a number of real nice long range moa reticles in that scope, but nothing in mil. I’ve emailed them my suggestions, but for now we wait. Currently hunting with a leupold mark ar 3-9x40 with a mil dot reticle and exposed turrets. I hate the non locking exposed turrets. Other hunting scopes is a Nikon monarch 3 2.5-10x42 mil dot reticle with capped 1/4 moa turrets. Obviously the mil reticle and moa turrets are goofy. View Quote |
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I don't want to sound like a rock but you really think the 6mm creedmor is a 500 yard medium game cartridge? I don't know a lot about it never looked at the ballistics but I wouldn't push the 243 past 300 on deer.
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I don't want to sound like a rock but you really think the 6mm creedmor is a 500 yard medium game cartridge? I don't know a lot about it never looked at the ballistics but I wouldn't push the 243 past 300 on deer. View Quote |
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I dunno man, last 6 years have seen 8 animals taken. 4 deer, 3 elk, 1 antelope. Shots: 625y 6mmSLR 115gr; 315y 6.5mm Creedmoor 130; 340y 6.5mm; 320y 6.5mm; 215y 6.5mm Grendel; 430y 6.5mm Creedmoor; 115y 6.5mm; 120y 6.5mm.
No wounded animals, no chasing blood trails. Family's been kept in meat. All wide open hike-in Great Basin hunting. But maybe I don't know what I'm doing. |
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I dunno man, last 6 years have seen 8 animals taken. 4 deer, 3 elk, 1 antelope. Shots: 625y 6mmSLR 115gr; 315y 6.5mm Creedmoor 130; 340y 6.5mm; 320y 6.5mm; 215y 6.5mm Grendel; 430y 6.5mm Creedmoor; 115y 6.5mm; 120y 6.5mm. No wounded animals, no chasing blood trails. Family's been kept in meat. All wide open hike-in Great Basin hunting. But maybe I don't know what I'm doing. View Quote |
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Have a super lite 6.5 creed in a bravo chassis with razor HD LH that's my go to for hunting. I also picked up a seekins in 300prc with a razor amg for another lite hunting rifle. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/117780/20191204_083613_jpg-1183395.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/117780/20191018_152153_jpg-1183400.JPG View Quote |
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Quoted: It's not a "cheap" setup, for sure. I got a used T3 and kept the action, bought the rest new. The most expensive part is the pre-fit barrel from PVA. If I had sourced a 6.5 Creedmoor T3 and simply cut/threaded the barrel, I would have been very close to what this is in terms of performance, but I really wanted to drop back down to 6mm. Using typical pricing, I think total not counting suppressor (which is used for other things) would be around $2k. If starting with a 6.5mm T3, I bet you could get closer to $1.5k. Yeah, I've also packed my AR10 carbine before, it's not fun. I like my 12" Grendel a lot better for that, but it lacks the pinpoint accuracy and wind cheating of this bolt 6mm. View Quote I have a t3x lite and the local smith couldn't comfortably thread it for a standard .30 setup. I would have had to go with a non standard thread pattern to get a proper shoulder. what factory barrel would you have used and where would you have cut it? |
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Quoted: I dunno man, last 6 years have seen 8 animals taken. 4 deer, 3 elk, 1 antelope. Shots: 625y 6mmSLR 115gr; 315y 6.5mm Creedmoor 130; 340y 6.5mm; 320y 6.5mm; 215y 6.5mm Grendel; 430y 6.5mm Creedmoor; 115y 6.5mm; 120y 6.5mm. No wounded animals, no chasing blood trails. Family's been kept in meat. All wide open hike-in Great Basin hunting. But maybe I don't know what I'm doing. View Quote Legit results speak volumes. |
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Quoted: Nice job! I generally run heavier scopes, including several NXS's in the past. I've moved to Bushnell LRHS models since they are nicely featured for hunting. Problem is, for a lighter build they are still too heavy. There is a missing niche for ultralight, Mil-reticle, low-profile Mil turret, zero-stop, illuminated, mid-power optics. The rare and elusive Leupold VX Patrol 4-12 with TMR seems to be one of the few options there. View Quote this right here. I ended up with an NXS, and plan to shave weight off with the spuhr tikka hunting direct mount, and it was still the lightest option I could find that had all the features I wanted. |
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I have a bone stock Tika T3 chambered in 7mm Rem Mag that weighs in at like 6.8-7lb empty. I had Vortex Viper PST Gen 1 on it but I pulled it and put a Leupold VX-3i on it that added another pound and a few ounces for rings. I am under 9lbs all in. I think the non magnums are closer to the 6lb mark.
I got/getting away from the Target style scopes on my hunting rifles for a few reasons. First they weigh 2lbs or more and secondly I typically don't take shots further than 500yds. I have been looking at the Razor HD LH scope for it's simplistic design and use. That and Vortex is Veteran friendly. |
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Quoted: Yeah, the vx5 is still too heavy. Seriously, check out the specs on the vxr patrol, seems better than the base mark ar. The Kenton knob with single rotation stop is nice. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Oh tell me about it!!! I work at a gun shop, and I’ve contacted multiple manufacturer, and distributor reps, telling them how the market is completely void of lightweight hunting scopes with mil based reticles. Lots with moa reticles, but that’s no good for us military guys stuck in our ways, or people who have lots of tactical long range scopes who want to use the same reticles in their hunting scopes. My dream scope is a leupold VX-5 HD 3-15 with a mil reticle. They make a number of real nice long range moa reticles in that scope, but nothing in mil. I’ve emailed them my suggestions, but for now we wait. Currently hunting with a leupold mark ar 3-9x40 with a mil dot reticle and exposed turrets. I hate the non locking exposed turrets. Other hunting scopes is a Nikon monarch 3 2.5-10x42 mil dot reticle with capped 1/4 moa turrets. Obviously the mil reticle and moa turrets are goofy. Yeah, the vx5 is still too heavy. Seriously, check out the specs on the vxr patrol, seems better than the base mark ar. The Kenton knob with single rotation stop is nice. Not much heavier than a VXR patrol. Check out the 3-15x44. 4-12 VXR 14.6 oz, 3-15x44 VX5HD 19.7 oz. They just came out with a mil version early this year. I got 2. Love them. Simple mil reticle, wish it was a Christmas tree, but I’m still happy. |
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Quoted: It's not a "cheap" setup, for sure. I got a used T3 and kept the action, bought the rest new. The most expensive part is the pre-fit barrel from PVA. If I had sourced a 6.5 Creedmoor T3 and simply cut/threaded the barrel, I would have been very close to what this is in terms of performance, but I really wanted to drop back down to 6mm. Using typical pricing, I think total not counting suppressor (which is used for other things) would be around $2k. If starting with a 6.5mm T3, I bet you could get closer to $1.5k. Yeah, I've also packed my AR10 carbine before, it's not fun. I like my 12" Grendel a lot better for that, but it lacks the pinpoint accuracy and wind cheating of this bolt 6mm. View Quote so you would have cut down the factory barrel?how short would you have gone? |
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Quoted: so you would have cut down the factory barrel?how short would you have gone? View Quote I would not hesitate to cut a 6.5 or .308 barrel to 16". For hunting ranges (0-500), the impact to drop and windage is worth the tradeoff for a short gun (if using a can). If not using a can, I'd run a full-length barrel. |
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Quoted: I would not hesitate to cut a 6.5 or .308 barrel to 16". For hunting ranges (0-500), the impact to drop and windage is worth the tradeoff for a short gun (if using a can). If not using a can, I'd run a full-length barrel. View Quote Last week I ran a suppressed 16" bolt gun in 6.5 Creedmoor for the deer season with 129 hornady interlock softpoints and it hammered. We took a very large doe at 270, a decent buck at 200, and a small to medium doe at 150. Also took a couple coyotes. All shots were pass throughs and the internal damage was impressive. Looked more like 308 damage instead of 243. I usually carry a 6.5 "lightweight" AR10 and only planned on trying the new shorty out, then ended up carrying it for 7 of the 9 days. It was a pleasure to carry and a blast to shoot. If I were preparing for a shot on game out to 500, I'd go with a more premium higher bc bullet like the 129 Nosler Accubond long range. |
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How about the Savage 110 Ultralite?
Available in a slew of calibers and under 6lbs |
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I filled the ultalight mountain rifle role with a Weatherby MkV ultra lightweight chambered in .30-06. It has a fluted, stainless barrel painted black, a composite stock, and it weights 5.75lbs without the scope. I mounted a Trijicon Accupower 3-9x40 with illuminated reticle on it. It shoots sub-MOA from the factory and came with a test target.
Wasn't much of a project. More like the easy button. I have not threaded it for a can yet. Here is a stock photo. And a link: https://weatherby.com/store/mark-v-ultra-lightweight/ Mine was a SHOT show demo from Wholesale Hunter, and I think I paid about $1750 for it, IIRC ETA: Actually, it was $1339. A price I couldn't pass up. Here is a picture of my particular rifle: Attached File |
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Quoted: Nice setup. I went with a more traditional style for my mountain rifle. All in, 8 lbs. 18" .308 Barrett Fieldcraft, Talley rings, NF NX8 2.5-20x50 Mil-XT, SilencerCo Omega, Langlois Rhodesian Sling. https://dangerbearpics.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/125881919_10221047358631172_1127054164129459471_o.jpg View Quote Nice sling. I have two and love them. I move them around to different rifles, and find them excellent for both carry and shooting. |
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I switched to the Razor LHT this year and like it. Great light transmission and is great at dawn/disk. Unbelievably light.
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My 6.5 lb , 6.5 cm, 3-9 scope, custom “shawvage” rifle (Shaw barrel, savage action) Less than 600 spent on it and it is easily 3/4 moa shooting my 129 grain soft point s&b.
I had a 6.5 tikka but it was a heavy barrel, heavy scope thing must weigh close to 12 lbs NOT fun. This is forget about it light. Attached File |
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I'm too stubborn about some things (e.g. adjustable cheek riser) to get my hunting rifles down to 8 pounds. I usually end up around 10 lbs. I'm also a mil guy, so my optics tend to be on the heavier side. My favorite is a 6.5 creedmor that started out as a Christensen Ridgeline. It now sits in a Manners EH1A (gen 2 mini chases) with an ATACR 4-16 on it. I think it's right at 10 lbs without the suppressor on it. heavier than I'd like, but it shoots so nice that I can't bring myself to change anything.
I will say, I think some rifles get too light for me to shoot them well, so I tell myself 10 lbs is perfect. |
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This is something I have been chasing for a couple years now too. I lightweight, handy rifle with a MIL/MIL scope, but I also wanted it to be very tough for hunting purposes. I researched a lot and finally put together something that I could not be more happy with.
I ended up going with a Barrett Fieldcraft in 6.5 Creed with the 21" barrel, so the standard model. I could have saved a couple ounces going with the Talley integral rings and bases, but I wanted tough. I ended up going with the Talley short action rail and then Badger aluminum rings. Scope is the Trijicon Credo 2.5-15-42mm that is MIL/MIL. Scope is 22-23 ounces. All together I came in at 6 pounds, 15 ounces. That's without sling or ammo. It's an awesome little setup. It will shoot .75 MOA easily, with several groups in the .50s. Got loads worked up for it with 140 Gold Dots, 143 ELD-X, and 130 Sierra GameChangers. |
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Quoted: I'm too stubborn about some things (e.g. adjustable cheek riser) to get my hunting rifles down to 8 pounds. I usually end up around 10 lbs. I'm also a mil guy, so my optics tend to be on the heavier side. My favorite is a 6.5 creedmor that started out as a Christensen Ridgeline. It now sits in a Manners EH1A (gen 2 mini chases) with an ATACR 4-16 on it. I think it's right at 10 lbs without the suppressor on it. heavier than I'd like, but it shoots so nice that I can't bring myself to change anything. I will say, I think some rifles get too light for me to shoot them well, so I tell myself 10 lbs is perfect. View Quote Debating on the ridgeline. Very close to jumping on one |
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Quoted: Nice job! I generally run heavier scopes, including several NXS's in the past. I've moved to Bushnell LRHS models since they are nicely featured for hunting. Problem is, for a lighter build they are still too heavy. There is a missing niche for ultralight, Mil-reticle, low-profile Mil turret, zero-stop, illuminated, mid-power optics. The rare and elusive Leupold VX Patrol 4-12 with TMR seems to be one of the few options there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I have a Tikka T3X in .300wm that I'm trying to decide on a scope for. I'm torn between a Vortex Razor or Nightforce NXS but would consider other similar alternatives. I'll probably get the barrel threaded for a brake and start loading Berger 215 hybrids with H-1000. Target game is black bear, coues deer, mule deer, and elk. I feel this gun, even with a larger scope, would be manageable. I'm currently using a Tikka CTR in .260 rem. With Vortex Viper scope and AAC can, it's more accurate than me but too heavy for those August death hikes in black bear country. Used last December on a coues hunt: Nice job! I generally run heavier scopes, including several NXS's in the past. I've moved to Bushnell LRHS models since they are nicely featured for hunting. Problem is, for a lighter build they are still too heavy. There is a missing niche for ultralight, Mil-reticle, low-profile Mil turret, zero-stop, illuminated, mid-power optics. The rare and elusive Leupold VX Patrol 4-12 with TMR seems to be one of the few options there. I would like to see some low knob premium scopes. With thread on caps. |
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Quoted: I would like to see some low knob premium scopes. With thread on caps. View Quote I agree with this. The trend towards putting target turrets on everything is annoying. I rarely have time to dial a shot in when hunting. I use a 200 yard zero and then hold points on the reticle for longer shots. |
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I have a silencer suggestion. Skip the Sig because they discontinued the SRD line. Get a Q Jumbo Shrimp (9 ounces, excellent mount). I have a jumbo shrimp on my Q Fix rifle in 6.5 CM and it is fantastic, light and performs well. I know it costs quite a bit more, but the Fix rifle by Q is in my opinion the perfect hunting rifle...
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My rifle is a Little bit less than 9 lbs. Bergara b14 hunter with kahles 2-10x50i scope and leupold rings
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Quoted: What cartridge is your rifle chambered in? View Quote .308 Keeping the standard trigger pull at 3 lbs i found out that It shoots geco 170 grain sp great (from 0.5 to 0.8 MOA), Federal powershock 150 (between 1 and 1.5 MOA) but It didn't like much Federal nosler partitions 150 grainers (more or less 2 MOA) nor winchester Power point 150 grainers. I would like to find some 150 grain cartridges for Boars and roe deer inside 250 yards that my rifle could shot sub MOA, do you have any suggestion? I still have to try Remington coreloct and rws dk. @MikeDeltaFoxtrot |
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Quoted: .308 Keeping the standard trigger pull at 3 lbs i found out that It shoots geco 170 grain sp great (from 0.5 to 0.8 MOA), Federal powershock 150 (between 1 and 1.5 MOA) but It didn't like much Federal nosler partitions 150 grainers (more or less 2 MOA) nor winchester Power point 150 grainers. I would like to find some 150 grain cartridges for Boars and roe deer inside 250 yards that my rifle could shot sub MOA, do you have any suggestion? I still have to try Remington coreloct and rws dk. @MikeDeltaFoxtrot View Quote In my experience any recent production Remington ammo is junk. I have had absolutely awful experiences with Remington Core-Lokt in .30-06 and .375 H&H. I load most of my own hunting rifle cartridges. I use mostly Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets and also some Noseler Accubonds. I experiment with each rifle to see which groups best and then work up the load from there. For factory cartridges, I have had great luck with Barnes Vor-TX factory cartridges loaded with TTSX bullets. I don't know if they are available in Italy. Barnes Vor-TX @ssimo |
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Quoted: In my experience any recent production Remington ammo is junk. I have had absolutely awful experiences with Remington Core-Lokt in .30-06 and .375 H&H. I load most of my own hunting rifle cartridges. I use mostly Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets and also some Noseler Accubonds. I experiment with each rifle to see which groups best and then work up the load from there. For factory cartridges, I have had great luck with Barnes Vor-TX factory cartridges loaded with TTSX bullets. I don't know if they are available in Italy. Barnes Vor-TX @ssimo View Quote Core lokt is like the hi point of the ammo world though. |
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Quoted: In my experience any recent production Remington ammo is junk. I have had absolutely awful experiences with Remington Core-Lokt in .30-06 and .375 H&H. I load most of my own hunting rifle cartridges. I use mostly Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets and also some Noseler Accubonds. I experiment with each rifle to see which groups best and then work up the load from there. For factory cartridges, I have had great luck with Barnes Vor-TX factory cartridges loaded with TTSX bullets. I don't know if they are available in Italy. Barnes Vor-TX @ssimo View Quote We have factory loads with ttsx, yes. I still prefer the idea of a soft point or a bonded ballistic tip bullet since i sometimes shoot small hogs and roe deer (max weight 55 lbs). I prefer something that expands quite a bit with relatively low resistance and still is able to penetrate Deep. That's why i tried nosler partitions. Next try Will be with rws dk: awful BC but good accuracy and great terminal performance they Say. @MikeDeltaFoxtrot |
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Quoted: Nice setup. I went with a more traditional style for my mountain rifle. All in, 8 lbs. 18" .308 Barrett Fieldcraft, Talley rings, NF NX8 2.5-20x50 Mil-XT, SilencerCo Omega, Langlois Rhodesian Sling. https://dangerbearpics.s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/fieldcraft-truck.jpg View Quote Lol! You totally defeated the purpose with that scope! Lol! “Let’s see here…..ummmm, I think I’ll go with the sub-6lb gun so I pile 20lbs of shit on to it….” Omg Lol! |
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Quoted: Lol! You totally defeated the purpose with that scope! Lol! “Let’s see here…..ummmm, I think I’ll go with the sub-6lb gun so I pile 20lbs of shit on to it….” Omg Lol! View Quote It’s why all the world renown mountain hunters use iron sights. Those over weight and over rated scopes aren’t needed. |
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