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Posted: 7/18/2020 11:20:02 AM EDT
Are there any decent deals for some good condition USGI Jerry cans?
I checked Sportsmans Guide and they had some used ones and new ones made in China. Are there any other deals out there for some in good shape? |
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View Quote 100% this. I have a 4 pack. Some of them have done more than 6k miles in an RV. All live in not air conditioned sheds in Texas summers and Georgia all seasons. Would buy more instantly if I needed more |
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I'm a Scepter guy myself. Just bought direct but that was a while ago. Also snag any at surplus stores that I see.
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Best price I have seen for new Valpro cans is Atlantic British. Just got two a few weeks ago
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Quoted: Are there any decent deals for some good condition USGI Jerry cans? I checked Sportsmans Guide and they had some used ones and new ones made in China. Are there any other deals out there for some in good shape? View Quote Did you mean NATO vs USGI? USGI Jerry cans have a threaded spout, NATO is the cam lever. The cans linked above are NATO. |
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Quoted: Best price I have seen for new Valpro cans is Atlantic British. Just got two a few weeks ago View Quote I also just ordered a 4 pack from here. I will add even though the company advertised them as VALPRO. mine were marked Wavian. I know its well known that the two come from the same factory. figured just as an FYI though. NMG |
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I’m pretty happy with the ones from Atlantic British. You can also find some on Amazon that are made in China....they area little cheaper and not quite as good though. YMMV
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Atlantic British is actually having sale right now, I think it ends soon though.
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Gelg (made in Poland) are ok. I have 4 of them, bought at different times.
This is the current place to get them: https://www.jerrycan.com/product-category/metal-jerry-cans-accessories/ |
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I have both the Gelg and the Wavian. (Valpro) I prefer the Valpro/Wavian for more accessories. However, the wavian cans apparently get ruined if you put water in them. Wish i would have known that before I put water in one to make sure it didn't leak. The Valpro metal spout didn't latch on the Gelg can in a manner that made me confident to use it.
NMG |
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Quoted: I have both the Gelg and the Wavian. (Valpro) I prefer the Valpro/Wavian for more accessories. However, the wavian cans apparently get ruined if you put water in them. Wish i would have known that before I put water in one to make sure it didn't leak. The Valpro metal spout didn't latch on the Gelg can in a manner that made me confident to use it. NMG View Quote I don’t see how putting water in a Valpro can would cause any issues. Gasoline is far more potentially damaging to a can than water should be since gas has a lot of solvents in it....especially if it contains ethanol. Did you see any issues and if so, what were the issues you saw? If it’s something you read somewhere, do you have a link? |
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Quoted: I don’t see how putting water in a Valpro can would cause any issues. Gasoline is far more potentially damaging to a can than water should be since gas has a lot of solvents in it....especially if it contains ethanol. Did you see any issues and if so, what were the issues you saw? If it’s something you read somewhere, do you have a link? View Quote Sorry for the delayed reply, I have not personally seen issues, however the water was only in there for 8 hours. There is currently gas in that can. Apparently the lining is water soluble. From the wavian website Can I put water in my Wavian Fuel Can? No. Wavian Fuel Cans are lined with a special internal coating that is meant for contact with fuel and oil only. It is soluble in water and will not only contaminate the water, but it will deteriorate. Fear not, this won't happen with fuel and there are no issues of flaking or dissolving under normal conditions. We offer BPA-free, food-grade plastic water cans for potable water storage and transportation. Note: Fuel contaminated with small amounts of water won't be detrimental to the lining. Found here https://wavianusa.com/pages/fuel-can-faqs NMG |
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Quoted: Sorry for the delayed reply, I have not personally seen issues, however the water was only in there for 8 hours. There is currently gas in that can. Apparently the lining is water soluble. From the wavian website Can I put water in my Wavian Fuel Can? No. Wavian Fuel Cans are lined with a special internal coating that is meant for contact with fuel and oil only. It is soluble in water and will not only contaminate the water, but it will deteriorate. Fear not, this won't happen with fuel and there are no issues of flaking or dissolving under normal conditions. We offer BPA-free, food-grade plastic water cans for potable water storage and transportation. Note: Fuel contaminated with small amounts of water won't be detrimental to the lining. Found here https://wavianusa.com/pages/fuel-can-faqs NMG View Quote Gotcha thanks. Must have missed that. I wonder if that’s actually tested. The gas cans from Atlantic British do come with stickers that says something about “not for fuel use” but of course those are just so they can import non EPA approved cans. Curiously, the Atlantic British site has this listed on their can listings: “This 20-liter metal NATO spec. jerry can by VALPRO is the most durable way to store and transport non-potable water. This kit also comes with a semi-flexible spout to give you more control when pouring.” |
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Quoted: Gotcha thanks. Must have missed that. I wonder if that’s actually tested. The gas cans from Atlantic British do come with stickers that says something about “not for fuel use” but of course those are just so they can import non EPA approved cans. Curiously, the Atlantic British site has this listed on their can listings: “This 20-liter metal NATO spec. jerry can by VALPRO is the most durable way to store and transport non-potable water. This kit also comes with a semi-flexible spout to give you more control when pouring.” View Quote Wavian cans are EPA and DOT approved though. They are even CARB approved. I wonder if that is just atlantic british being overly cautious. "Wavian currently produces the only EPA, CARB, and DOT approved steel fuel cans that are 100% legal in all 50 US states." taken from https://wavianusa.com/products/steel-fuel-jerry-can#:~:text=Wavian%20currently%20produces%20the%20only%20EPA%2C%20CARB%2C%20and,in%20OD%20Green%2C%20Black%2C%20Blue%2C%20Yellow%2C%20and%20Red. NMG |
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Then there’s this interesting line farther down in the description
“Lined to prevent rusting with gasoline, water, and alcohol resistant coating.” According to THIS link, it appears they got around the EPA requirements simply by including a spout that meets the EPA requirements but perhaps the AB cans can’t be “used for fuel” because they don’t come with the stupid EPA spout. “The new EPA regulations are based on requirements started in California by the California Air Resources Board (CARB) in 2000 and updated in 2007. Since 2000, some individual states have been following suit, but the new EPA regulations bring all states in line and since January 1, 2009 all new PFCs manufactured or imported and sold in the United States must be compliant. The regulations require: A single, self venting opening for filling and pouring with no separate vents or openings. A treated can body for minimal permeation of fuels. Automatic closure, meaning a nozzle which automatically springs to the closed position when not pouring. Childproof features as designated by the Children's Gasoline Burn Prevention Act.” |
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Quoted: Wavian cans are EPA and DOT approved though. They are even CARB approved. I wonder if that is just atlantic british being overly cautious. "Wavian currently produces the only EPA, CARB, and DOT approved steel fuel cans that are 100% legal in all 50 US states." taken from https://wavianusa.com/products/steel-fuel-jerry-can#:~:text=Wavian%20currently%20produces%20the%20only%20EPA%2C%20CARB%2C%20and,in%20OD%20Green%2C%20Black%2C%20Blue%2C%20Yellow%2C%20and%20Red. NMG View Quote If you read just a little further down from what you posted you see this... "Note: the lining of the fuel can will react with water, these cans are made for fuel only. For water storage, check out our food-grade water cans." |
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I think we just found the most confusing description on the internet lol.
I had water in my can for 8 hours and currently have fuel in it. if I can figure out a way to check it for damage I will. I suspect it will be fine. NMG |
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Quoted: I think we just found the most confusing description on the internet lol. I had water in my can for 8 hours and currently have fuel in it. if I can figure out a way to check it for damage I will. I suspect it will be fine. NMG View Quote Yeah it’s a mess especially considering the Valpro and Wavian cans are made in the same place. Either way, I’m sure yours is fine. I definitely wouldn’t lose any sleep over it. |
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Quoted: Yeah it’s a mess especially considering the Valpro and Wavian cans are made in the same place. Either way, I’m sure yours is fine. I definitely wouldn’t lose any sleep over it. View Quote I suspect it is as well. I looked around on the ValPro website and couldn't find any information in regards to water use. http://www.valpro.lv/en/products/metal-cans/ |
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This is who I went with for gas cans as well as water storage. A lot of stuff is OOS right now, though.
http://lexingtoncontainercompanysonlinestore.mybigcommerce.com/ |
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Quoted: This is who I went with for gas cans as well as water storage. A lot of stuff is OOS right now, though. http://lexingtoncontainercompanysonlinestore.mybigcommerce.com/ View Quote Just FYI, Those are wavian cans. I did order some lids from them though and were GTG in my experience. Damn good gas cans. |
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Quoted: Just FYI, Those are wavian cans. I did order some lids from them though and were GTG in my experience. Damn good gas cans. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This is who I went with for gas cans as well as water storage. A lot of stuff is OOS right now, though. http://lexingtoncontainercompanysonlinestore.mybigcommerce.com/ Just FYI, Those are wavian cans. I did order some lids from them though and were GTG in my experience. Damn good gas cans. Yep. And the Scepter water cans are awesome too! ETA: don't forget to order a few donkey dicks... Fuck the CARB spouts. |
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Quoted: I may order some of those scepter water cans. I got several donkey dicks when amazon had them for $22. Best spouts period. NMG View Quote I’m a fan of Lexington and have bought a bunch of stuff from them but if you can live with just OD or Tan you can do better price wise for the Scepter military water cans. Here's the individual can but they sell a two pack and a four pack at an even better price per can. https://www.amazon.com/Scepter-Durable-Portable-Storage-Container/dp/B00ZLYUOP6/ref=asc_df_B00ZLYUOP6/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=309795536527&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=5009122089854383198&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1024939&hvtargid=pla-568730821813&psc=1 |
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Quoted: Best place to buy Military water cans... https://www.buylci.com/water-can-5-gallon-desert-tan.html View Quote Thanks a lot. You just cost me money.... NMG |
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Quoted: Thanks a lot. You just cost me money.... NMG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Best place to buy Military water cans... https://www.buylci.com/water-can-5-gallon-desert-tan.html Thanks a lot. You just cost me money.... NMG Sure, any time... |
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Makes absolutely no difference. Its the same thing. Scepter is a Canadian company, LCI is an American company. Both make military contract products. |
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Quoted: Makes absolutely no difference. Its the same thing. Scepter is a Canadian company, LCI is an American company. Both make military contract products. View Quote Not quite. The Scepters are built to a much higher standard. Whether that makes the Scepters worth the price is up to the buyer. |
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Quoted: Are you guys buying the "non potable water" cans or the "EPA compliant" ones? I don't see much difference other than the spout and the lining. View Quote The EPA compliant ones use a EPA compliant spout. The “non compliant” ones use a regular spout. The cans are identical other than price (more $$ for the silly EPA spout). That’s the best thing about the NATO cans. They can be made compliant simply with the right spout....at a higher price of course. I got my non compliant cans from AB, peeled the silly sticker off, and filled them up with gas. |
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Quoted: Not quite. The Scepters are built to a much higher standard. Whether that makes the Scepters worth the price is up to the buyer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Makes absolutely no difference. Its the same thing. Scepter is a Canadian company, LCI is an American company. Both make military contract products. Not quite. The Scepters are built to a much higher standard. Whether that makes the Scepters worth the price is up to the buyer. And what are the differing standards? Both should be designed and produced to meet the MWC spec which is MIL-C-43613 (last version I have is Rev. D). Interesting enough, LCI shows NSN numbers for the Sand and Green MWCs (the only versions they sell); Sceptor only shows a NSN number for the Black version. The Black version appears to be discontinued from reading one site. https://www.buylci.com/water-can-5-gallon-desert-tan.html https://scepter.com/products/military-products/military-fuel-water-containers/military-water-container/5-gallon-20-litre-military-water-container-04603/ |
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Quoted: And what are the differing standards? Both should be designed and produced to meet the MWC spec which is MIL-C-43613 (last version I have is Rev. D). Interesting enough, LCI shows NSN numbers for the Sand and Green MWCs (the only versions they sell); Sceptor only shows a NSN number for the Black version. The Black version appears to be discontinued from reading one site. https://www.buylci.com/water-can-5-gallon-desert-tan.html https://scepter.com/products/military-products/military-fuel-water-containers/military-water-container/5-gallon-20-litre-military-water-container-04603/ View Quote The two standards are the original Milspec standard (more or less) in place since the MWC was adopted by the military decades ago and the new, higher standard that Scepter builds their MWC’s to today. Milspec as you referenced it above isn’t about quality, it’s about consistency. The cans built by LCI today are the same can the military spec’d decades ago, virtually unchanged since adoption. In the decades since, Scepter has continued to refine the design of the can and it’s manufacturing process. The cans as currently produced by military contractors like LCI vs the cans made by Scepter are no longer identical. Even the dimensions are slightly different. Here’s a comparison from five years ago, including details from someone who spent his own money to buy and compare the two cans (he posted measurements and pictures, worth a read). One of the things he comments on are the fact the LCI cans wobble. https://www.ar15.com/forums/outdoors/Need_suggestions_for_water_storage_containers/18-682477/ Here’s another thread on the LCI cans from just a month ago. He’s complaining that the LCI cans he just bought wobble. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Outdoors/LCI-water-can-distorted-bottoms/17-698403/ You see the same complaint about the can from posts years apart because nothing changes with the manufacturing of LCI MWC’s. It can’t because the military doesn’t allow changes to the spec unless approved by the military and they don’t do that unless there’s a very, very good reason. Again, milspec in this context is a measure of consistency, not quality. Military water cans built to this spec have probably always wobbled and leaked a little and as long as they’re built to this spec they probably always will. Meanwhile, the MWC as produced by Scepter has continued to evolve. They may look the same in pictures on the internet but a comparison in person will show the difference. As recently as 2018 Scepter added a gasket to the lid of the can, continuing to develop the product and just another in a long line of improvements made over the years. You can scroll down and read the description here. https://lexingtoncontainercompanysonlinestore.mybigcommerce.com/water-can-replacement-cap-assembly-for-scepter-water-can-green/ The MWC you can buy today from LCI (and others) is a good, serviceable water can with a few issues. It’s the same can you could buy years ago and it’s probably going to be the same can you can buy years from now. The Scepter MWC you can buy today is better than the can you could buy from them in the past and the cans you buy from them years from now are probably going to be better than the cans you buy from them today. The bottom line is that the LCI and Specter are not the same can. There’s a better than fair chance that some of the LCI cans you buy today will wobble and leak a little. There’s a better than fair chance the cans you buy today from Specter won’t. You will pay a premium for the Scepter can. Whether the additional cost is worth it is up to the buyer. To be absolutely clear, none of this is me saying everyone should only buy Scepter MWC’s. I own both because they’re different tools for different jobs. I would urge anyone to buy the one that’s most appropriate to the job you’re buying them to do. Just realize that while they may look the same in pictures they are, in fact, different cans. |
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Quoted: Those aren't Scepter MWC's. View Quote Thanks, I caught that though. I looked at it as the gelg vs wavian jerry cans. I own both of those too. I am sure I will purchase the scepters at somepoint but I am hot off buying wavian cans so these two will suffice for now. I appreciated the information you gave in later post too. Thanks for the information. Nmg |
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I've had about 12 of the metal jerry cans for 3-4 years and all have rusted out badly. I admittedly take them on the open deck of an ocean-going vessel for a few months a year or leave them at my waterfront house located on the Gulf of Mexico (so they get salt spray even when in their "safe" location). They started failing within 18 months, though. The outsides have rusted, and I've gotten a lot of gold-colored flakes out of the fuel when pouring it through a filter. They've only housed non-ethanol gas that's been treated before storage. I know it's not the easiest environment for a fuel can, but the "go to" option of jerry cans isn't working out for me.
Given this I'm looking hard at the plastic scepter water cans for fuel storage. I suspect this is obvious, but I would expect the plastic water cans would be fine for storing fuel. The only downside I see is that the screwtop nozzle may not work particularly well for fuel. Nobody is going to post "our water cans are great for storing gas too!" but I suspect that's what a lot of people do. Any feedback? |
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Quoted: I've had about 12 of the metal jerry cans for 3-4 years and all have rusted out badly. I admittedly take them on the open deck of an ocean-going vessel for a few months a year or leave them at my waterfront house located on the Gulf of Mexico (so they get salt spray even when in their "safe" location). They started failing within 18 months, though. The outsides have rusted, and I've gotten a lot of gold-colored flakes out of the fuel when pouring it through a filter. They've only housed non-ethanol gas that's been treated before storage. I know it's not the easiest environment for a fuel can, but the "go to" option of jerry cans isn't working out for me. Given this I'm looking hard at the plastic scepter water cans for fuel storage. I suspect this is obvious, but I would expect the plastic water cans would be fine for storing fuel. The only downside I see is that the screwtop nozzle may not work particularly well for fuel. Nobody is going to post "our water cans are great for storing gas too!" but I suspect that's what a lot of people do. Any feedback? View Quote Do you know what brand of jerry cans you have? I am curious as well. Before I started ordering Wavians, if i could have gotten Scepters I would have. |
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Quoted: They were from Deutscheoptik. I still get their catalogs from that View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Do you know what brand of jerry cans you have? I am curious as well. Before I started ordering Wavians, if i could have gotten Scepters I would have. They were from Deutscheoptik. I still get their catalogs from that The Deutsch Optik ones look to be different than the Wavians. The DO cans are made in Poland and are .8mm thick. The Wavians are produced by Valpro in Latvia and are .9mm thick. The coatings are described to be similar though, so not sure if the Wavian cans would hold up better to salt spray. |
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Quoted: The Deutsch Optik ones look to be different than the Wavians. The DO cans are made in Poland and are .8mm thick. The Wavians are produced by Valpro in Latvia and are .9mm thick. The coatings are described to be similar though, so not sure if the Wavian cans would hold up better to salt spray. View Quote I am almost certain these are the GELG ones. NMG |
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Quoted: I would expect the plastic water cans would be fine for storing fuel. The only downside I see is that the screwtop nozzle may not work particularly well for fuel. Nobody is going to post "our water cans are great for storing gas too!" but I suspect that's what a lot of people do. Any feedback? View Quote I don't know if I've ever quoted myself, but nobody is answering the question I actually posed Are the plastic water cans good to go for fuel storage? |
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Quoted: I don't know if I've ever quoted myself, but nobody is answering the question I actually posed Are the plastic water cans good to go for fuel storage? View Quote I imagine you could but not sure what you would use for a spout. Might be better to find some MFCs Another option could be several plastic 6 gallon boat tanks. |
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Cabelas has some Scepter civilian water cans for $21 bucks a pop. They don't have the large mouths like the military though..
Scepter water cans at Cabelas |
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Quoted: I've had about 12 of the metal jerry cans for 3-4 years and all have rusted out badly. I admittedly take them on the open deck of an ocean-going vessel for a few months a year or leave them at my waterfront house located on the Gulf of Mexico (so they get salt spray even when in their "safe" location). They started failing within 18 months, though. The outsides have rusted, and I've gotten a lot of gold-colored flakes out of the fuel when pouring it through a filter. They've only housed non-ethanol gas that's been treated before storage. I know it's not the easiest environment for a fuel can, but the "go to" option of jerry cans isn't working out for me. Given this I'm looking hard at the plastic scepter water cans for fuel storage. I suspect this is obvious, but I would expect the plastic water cans would be fine for storing fuel. The only downside I see is that the screwtop nozzle may not work particularly well for fuel. Nobody is going to post "our water cans are great for storing gas too!" but I suspect that's what a lot of people do. Any feedback? View Quote If they’re stored outside, UV rays would probably deteriorate plastic cans faster than salt deteriorates metal cans. Just a thought. |
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Has anyone found a good solid cap for the Midwest Harbor fright ones.
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