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Posted: 5/25/2020 3:25:48 AM EDT
First up:
Sources for seeds/plants: https://www.johnnyseeds.com/ https://territorialseed.com/ https://www.morgancountyseeds.com/ https://migardener.com/ https://www.southernexposure.com/ For fertilizer, I tend to use a combination of synthetic and organic feed. I use compost plus things like mixes made from blood meal, guano, alafalfa and kelp meals, etc. Along side that I will use synthetics. I have urea and ammonium sulfate, triple super phosphate, and potash and mix them for what I need. When my seedlings are well into the true leaves I will do a few feedings of Peters (aka Jack's) Water Soluble Fertilizer. A tablespoon per gallon and that gallon will feed a decent amount of 10/20 trays. https://www.greenhousemegastore.com/supplies/fertilizer/jack-foots-fertilizer-20-20-20?dfw_tracker=43186-FE-JP-2020 Alfalfa Meal: https://www.amazon.com/Down-Earth-Organic-Fertilizer-2-5-0-5-2-5/dp/B000CO7ZYI Kelp Meal: https://www.amazon.com/Down-Earth-5-Pound-1-0-1-2-7813/dp/B000COBZBM Feather Meal: https://www.amazon.com/Down-Earth-Organic-Feather-Fertilizer/dp/B001B2W842 Bat Guano: https://www.amazon.com/Roots-Organics-Nitro-Fertilizer-3-Pound/dp/B007TFYGG8/ Crab Shell: https://www.amazon.com/NeptuneS-Harvest-Cs604-Organic-Multi-Purpose/dp/B016794H7E Blood Meal: https://www.amazon.com/Espoma-163680-Blood-Organic-Fertilizer/dp/B074F3SYZS Urea: https://www.amazon.com/Easy-Peasy-Urea-Fertilizante-Alimentos/dp/B071WCW6P7 Ammonium Sulfate: https://www.amazon.com/Hi-Yield-Ammonium-Sulfate-AMMONIUM-SULFATE/dp/B000OV85BQ https://www.amazon.com/Ammonium-Sulfate-Easy-Peasy-Plants/dp/B07BTPJCT5 Super Triple Phosphate: https://www.amazon.com/Triple-Phosphate-Easy-Peasy-Plants/dp/B075BY4GSF For premixed organic fertilizers, I really like Vermicrops offerings but they are too pricey for me to recommend. Their Vermiall, Vermiveg, and Vermibloom offerings really have worked out well but for those wanting to grow more than a novel amount, roll your own mixtures. https://www.vermicrop.com/vermiall https://www.vermicrop.com/vermiveg https://www.vermicrop.com/vermibloom Home Depot seems to be carrying a brand of 10-10-10 called Hyponex. I have not tried it but if you can find it at a local indie nursery or some such, give it a shot and report back. Hyponex doesnt seem to have a website for the fertilizer at this time so.. you will be going in blind. Fertilizer manufacturer sites: https://www.easypeasyplants.com/ https://downtoearthfertilizer.com/products/ https://www.fertilome.com/Hi-Yield-Products.aspx https://www.neptunesharvest.com/products-for-all-other-customers.html https://www.aurorainnovations.com/roots-organics-dry-nutrients https://www.vermicrop.com/fertilizers Anti-Pest Stuff: Neem Oil + Wettnig Agent = Dead bugs that no longer eat your plants. "Natural plant killer combo (kills foliage only): 40% industrial vinegar mixed with 50/50 water and add 2 fl oz orange oil. Apply during the heat of the day in full sun when leaves are dry and ready to absorb moisture. Doesn't work with nettles so well, but works on grass and other broad leaves such as dandelion, feel free to try on stuff. Indiscriminant, don't spray on stuff you like. Kills raspberry leaves dead in a hurry." H/T Rat_Patrol Some things have wonky prices in teh Amazon links. They are likely just not available so.. search elsewhere. Ace Hardware tends to have a lot of independently owned stores as well and may have some of the odder listed fertilizers. As always, before the season.. get your soil tested. Knowing what to add amendment wise before planting helps immensely. Your local extension will have links for such a thing. Extensions are great resources for all sorts of gardening knowledge. You can even go through their master gardeners program.. though.. the schedules are all made for older retired folk unfortunately. My extension: https://extension.umd.edu/ Feed your plants after transplanting to the recommendations of your local extension and the condition of your plants. [Spot saved for laymans guide to NPK deficiency tells] I myself am growing Garlic, Tomatoes, Peppers, Tomatoes, Basil, Corn, Onions, Thyme, Hops, Sage, Parsley, and Savory. Potatoes are heavy feeders (probably one of the heaviest) and one should NOT use too much nitrogen for them as it can inhibit tuber growth (will have really nice leaves though0. Once they get into the tuber forming/growing stage phosphorus and potassium should be the main feed. A regular feeding schedule should be maintained until harvest to 1) keep the soil from being depleted and 2) to get max yield. Amending the soil after harvest for the next year is probably still a good idea as taters can suck it dry. Garlic is a heavy feeder but not nearly as bad as the taters. They tend to take a good bit of nitrogen when fed so at planting use something like a mix of blood meal, guano, and feather meal with kelp and alfalfa meal to feed it through the winter and into the spring. In spring give it another similar feeding and cut off most nitrogen once May ends. From there a more phosphorus and potassium heavy fertilizer for bulb size up to harvest (maybe 2 feedings). Tomatoes will want nitrogen from planting up to June in my zone (7b) just before flowering begins. At that point, phosphorus and potassium for flower and fruit formation. Dont cut out nitrogen completely as many varieties of tomato will still be growing. Space your plants correctly. It can mean the difference between a blighted and crap harvest or a big healthy one. Keep an eye on the fruit as things like blossom end rot usually means it needs some calcium. Corn is grass and grass likes the big ole N in NPK. Corn is a big N feeder. This is one of the first years Im trying to seriously grow corn and other than the nitrogen part I am a NewB with it. Onions seem to bulb better for me when they are shallower than the instructions from the seed retailer say. I have buried just the roots and have fed with Miracle grow of all things as it seems many have had them do well with that weird balance of NPK. I will probably try transitioning to a P and K heavy mix once bulbing begins. Im still trying to get my process down for that crop. For herbs, keep them fed with a simple balanced/square fertilizer and theyll be super happy. For Hops, clear ground and a good place for them to climb wil mean less bugs and disease for them. They like feedings but seem to like lighter feedings at least at first from what Ive seen of my plants. For 10/20 trays, I really do like the Bootstrap Farmer trays. Super robust and will last a long long time unlike most of the other flimsy 10/20's. These are a bit pricey BUT they will last: https://www.bootstrapfarmer.com/collections/1020-trays-and-flats/products/extra-strength-seedling-propagation-tray I use drip irrigation for my raised beds. The company I sourced my setup from is Dripworks: https://www.dripworks.com/ ARFCOM Garden How To's: Waterglass' bed burn in how to: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Outdoors/How-to-burn-a-bed-for-transplants-update-plants-are-ready-/19-696832/ Hoboninja's Mulch Thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/outdoors/Mulch-around-vegetables-/19-697305/ LOW50S's Bawk Bawk Thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Outdoors/Official-ARFCOM-guide-to-Chickens/19-684724/ Yara Fertilizers' data and tips/tricks: https://www.yara.co.uk/crop-nutrition/crop-solutions/ My Garden planner and fertilizer calculator spreadsheet. Is in separate thread so improvements and such from myself and the hive here can be isolated there: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Outdoors/Get-your-Garden-planner-and-fertilizer-calculator-constantly-changing-here-/19-698900/ Boron, mixes, and micronutrient information!: Boron, micronutrientsm and seeding/planting mixes! CEC: Cation Exchange Capacity: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Outdoors/Your-CEC-or-Cation-Exchange-Capacity/19-699396/ Add your thread link to be added. Post will be edited to add more information and sources |
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Cool, In the midst of building on garden beds and landscaping now.
I would only add, definitely look local to your area for info and resources. I have always been impressed with the garden center staff,(maloney's near me and NE Nurseries), and their deep knowledge in getting you set up. I don't think your plugging Amazon, but..... I see the reason its linked, quick reference!...which is good for some info, sometimes....and making lists.... Our local businesses could use the business a lot more than Amazon. cheers |
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Quoted: Cool, In the midst of building on garden beds and landscaping now. I would only add, definitely look local to your area for info and resources. I have always been impressed with the garden center staff,(maloney's near me and NE Nurseries), and their deep knowledge in getting you set up. I don't think your plugging Amazon, but..... I see the reason its linked, quick reference!...which is good for some info, sometimes....and making lists.... Our local businesses could use the business a lot more than Amazon. cheers View Quote By all means, if you can find the stuff locally and not in the big box stores, do it. Amazon is a good reference though for sure. I will add the company websites for teh manufacturers of the fertilizers. |
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Tacked!
But I'm not sure that's doing the thread a favor. It is true that almost nobody sees tacked threads. So we might try tacking and untacking, which means y'all have to keep bumping it so it gets seen. Bumping with content is always good. |
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Hoboninjas Mulch thread
https://www.ar15.com/forums/outdoors/Mulch-around-vegetables-/19-697305/ |
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I really like Southern Exposure Seed Exchange
ETA: Useful organic spray mix for lots of things that bother plants: neem oil and wetting agent Neem oil example Wetting agent example Natural plant killer combo (kills foliage only): 40% industrial vinegar mixed with 50/50 water and add 2 fl oz orange oil. Apply during the heat of the day in full sun when leaves are dry and ready to absorb moisture. Doesn't work with nettles so well, but works on grass and other broad leaves such as dandelion, feel free to try on stuff. Indiscriminant, don't spray on stuff you like. Kills raspberry leaves dead in a hurry . |
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Quoted: I really like Southern Exposure Seed Exchange ETA: Useful organic spray mix for lots of things that bother plants: neem oil and wetting agent Neem oil example Wetting agent example Natural plant killer combo (kills foliage only): 40% industrial vinegar mixed with 50/50 water and add 2 fl oz orange oil. Apply during the heat of the day in full sun when leaves are dry and ready to absorb moisture. Doesn't work with nettles so well, but works on grass and other broad leaves such as dandelion, feel free to try on stuff. Indiscriminant, don't spray on stuff you like. Kills raspberry leaves dead in a hurry . View Quote OP updated |
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Yara fertilizer company with how to get more yield out of onions:
Onion yield Everything Potato All other crops from Yara |
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'gardening with Leon', 'mhpgardener', 'Armes family farms' on youtube all have great info on wicking tubs and dutch buckets, including how-to's on setup, fertilizing, etc. Leon also covers some high tunnels and a little hydroponics, etc. some of them touch on the 'kratky method' of hydroponics. i'm using wicking tubs this year and may never plant in soil again. a good source of quality compost is a must and we're fortunate here to have several.
beware, though, it's a rabbit hole.... |
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Are we including lawns and landscapes in gardening?
Even if not, this resource is great for soil building, and I mean it is unparalleled for soil building. Not just another repackaging of the same stuff. Greene County Fertilizer Company. You need to go through their DIY portal which you can find at the top or the very bottoms of the pages. They have two outlets for DIY size stuff, but it is worth investigating. I use their pro stuff, and you can get almost all of exactly what I use (with a very few exceptions) in homeowner size packaging through the DIY portals. No matter what you do in the dirt, if you want better soil, this is the stuff to get. Greene County Fert |
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Quoted: Are we including lawns and landscapes in gardening? Even if not, this resource is great for soil building, and I mean it is unparalleled for soil building. Not just another repackaging of the same stuff. Greene County Fertilizer Company. You need to go through their DIY portal which you can find at the top or the very bottoms of the pages. They have two outlets for DIY size stuff, but it is worth investigating. I use their pro stuff, and you can get almost all of exactly what I use (with a very few exceptions) in homeowner size packaging through the DIY portals. No matter what you do in the dirt, if you want better soil, this is the stuff to get. Greene County Fert View Quote From a quick scan, it looks like most of their stuff can be used in the garden. Ive created a fertilizer mixing calculator for those that like to roll their own mixes ( I have for corn, potatoes, tomatoes, and garlic). Its actually lowered my overall cost as I can buy single ingredients and mix them for what I need. |
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Quoted: From a quick scan, it looks like most of their stuff can be used in the garden. Ive created a fertilizer mixing calculator for those that like to roll their own mixes ( I have for corn, potatoes, tomatoes, and garlic). Its actually lowered my overall cost as I can buy single ingredients and mix them for what I need. View Quote Yes, all of it can be used in the garden, and they focus on low N programs for turf, so you're not going to burn anything with this stuff (at least not with the stuff homeowners can buy.) The humic acids, fulvic acids and micronutrient mixes are amazing. |
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Checking in.
Anybody still paying attention here? Lot of times tacked threads just sort of die cuz nobody looks.... Should I untack to see what happens? |
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Nobody much has posted since August. Time to untack this thread unless you all have a reason I should not.
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I vote leave it tacked. Lots of really good info and leaving it tacked keeps it readily available. I refer to it at least once a week, usually more.
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Quoted: any recommendations for root vegetable fertilization? I'm growing onions, garlic, parsnips, carrots, rutabaga, and turnips in straight compost in wicking IBC containers. I used the wicking tubs this year and was very pleased with the results with my tomatoes and green beans. I plan to split my containers horizontally along with the cages and use 6 in. drain tubes for my reservoir. any suggestions? View Quote That's off topic for this thread. You need to start your own thread with this question. |
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Quoted: That's off topic for this thread. You need to start your own thread with this question. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: any recommendations for root vegetable fertilization? I'm growing onions, garlic, parsnips, carrots, rutabaga, and turnips in straight compost in wicking IBC containers. I used the wicking tubs this year and was very pleased with the results with my tomatoes and green beans. I plan to split my containers horizontally along with the cages and use 6 in. drain tubes for my reservoir. any suggestions? That's off topic for this thread. You need to start your own thread with this question. |
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Quoted: Given that this is a fertilizers thread, I thought it was relevant. View Quote well, I'm not trying to be hard nosed about it. It's a "Gardening Resources thread" which means it's supposed to be links to resources. The "Fertilizers Data" was recently posted on page six....you'll note if you read the title. So answering questions about an individual's issues with fert or a soil test isn't precisely what the thread is about. I think you would get a lot more hits and answers if you started your own thread, cuz nobody is reading this one to answer your questions....does that make sense? |
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Its about that time. Time to gather seed starting supplies and media. Dont forget to look up your local extension and find the day of last frost for your area! We will be doing quite a bit this year from turning our beds into a hoop house, hopefully expanding water gathering capability as well as a pump system for it that will change over to house water automatically. Will also have new plants this year: Asparagus, strawberries, celery, and others. AS usual, there will be more information coming.
The tomato crop this year for me was pretty good and we ended up with 10 pints of canned whole tomatoes + 6 pints of spaghetti sauce. Also managed to get a gallon of jam and jelly out of the raspberry crop. Next seasons garlic has been planted with a new variety (late italian added along side the usual music garlic) added plus a test of growing wild garlic that pops up every year. |
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Btw, its ok to ask about fertilizing specific plants here. Can always link to specific posts and such in the OP should it not already be in the OP.
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Still waiting on teh rest of my seeds.
For those that want synthetic fertilizers, Morgan County Seeds has a large selection of both synthetic AND organic fertilizers. |
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Seedling Mix:
https://extension.umd.edu/sites/extension.umd.edu/files/_images/programs/mdvegetables/G-4.pdf Growing Mix: https://extension.umd.edu/sites/extension.umd.edu/files/_images/programs/mdvegetables/G-5.pdf The hot linking function sure is fragile..lol Boron is your friend: https://extension.umd.edu/sites/extension.umd.edu/files/_images/programs/mdvegetables/B-7.pdf Micronutrients and where to get them: https://extension.umd.edu/sites/extension.umd.edu/files/_images/programs/mdvegetables/B-6.pdf If deficient in certain things: https://extension.umd.edu/sites/extension.umd.edu/files/_images/programs/mdvegetables/B-8.pdf More on Micronutrients: MOAR Guys, TEST YOUR SOIL if at all possible. |
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Quoted: Tacked! But I'm not sure that's doing the thread a favor. It is true that almost nobody sees tacked threads. So we might try tacking and untacking, which means y'all have to keep bumping it so it gets seen. Bumping with content is always good. View Quote Making it a bright noticeable color might help |
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You can actually use the Alfalfa pellets you get from places like tractor supply for fertilizer, the meal is supposedly just the ground up pellets. 5 pounds for $23 of ground pellets at amazon vs 50lb of whole pellets for $15 at tractor supply.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtdZcwryQYg https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/search/alfalfa%20pellets? |
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Quoted: You can actually use the Alfalfa pellets you get from places like tractor supply for fertilizer, the meal is supposedly just the ground up pellets. 5 pounds for $23 of ground pellets at amazon vs 50lb of whole pellets for $15 at tractor supply. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtdZcwryQYg https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/search/alfalfa%20pellets? View Quote |
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Untacking for a bit....this is a bump so it doesn't immediately drop.
OP, its okay to keep bumping with new info or just a bump now and then, until we see how it goes. |
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Bumping this. Is there still interest?
OP may not be on to see the need to bump more often right now. |
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