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Posted: 3/3/2019 3:42:42 PM EDT
I live in a small rural town north of Los Angeles, CA in Kern County.
I don’t like LA much but I now have a job which takes me there weekly. Not everyday, but sometimes 3 days a week, sometime only 1. This may continue for the next year or two. I have a newer model Silverado truck with a truck box and I am adding a full length lock box under the rear seat so I will have some safe storage. I will have my get home bag, the normal tools in a truck, jumper cables, flashlight, etc. I have access to almost any type of weapon system (Considering it’s California). I will already have either Glock 19 or Glock 17, with a Glock 43 as a back up gun. I will be in full gray man mode while working there. I am also very familar with all maps/routes north out of LA so navigation shouldn’t be an issue. I will be appropriately dressed for the current weather conditions while I am there. (Eta, I am a retired LEO with an HR218 endorsement) In the event of a major SHTF or TEOTWAWKI situation what do you think are my best options to get home ? I am thinking civil unrest is real factor followed by major earthquake (roads disrupted) or an EMP type of event. Question, should I have a rifle or shotgun or just rely on pistols ? Take Night vision ? What is the thoughts on a small temporary cache at a LA based storage unit with a dual sport based motorcycle, and food/water/IFAK/sleeping supplies ? I would love to hear your thoughts or ideas. |
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If you have the money, for sure
What kind of maintenance would the bike need? How long can it just sit there unattended? Would the bike cost $5k? |
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If you have the money, for sure What kind of maintenance would the bike need? How long can it just sit there unattended? Would the bike cost $5k? View Quote I will buy a dual sport should the storage unit cache become an option. I would have to rotate/use the gas as it does have a shelf life. I suspect I could run/start the bike every month for 15-20 minutes just to keep it fresh and charged up. Rotate a 3 gallon can of gas every 6 months. |
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In LA, a motorcycle in such a horrible event would make you a target fast. If you do not have lots of dirt bike riding experience, being older and starting a journey in such conditions would be a bad combination, just from the crash hazard.
A TW200 is light, agile, and capable if you don’t have years of single track experience. If you do have years of single track experience you’ll have something else in mind already. I’d consider your physical fitness and if possible considering, get a mountain bike. Absolutely a PVS-14 and a bump helmet would be a big bonus regardless of transportation, or lack there of. Water could soon be your biggest issue. Do you park your truck in a parking garage that may make it and its contents inaccessible if collapsed in an earthquake? Some N95 dust masks may be worth having too. Remember when all else fails you can walk, but unless your feet are accustomed to it you’ll be in a world of hurt. Your best bet if maintaining peak physical fitness and a wad of cash, plus water and the other supplies. |
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I would be concerned about the security of my stuff in a storage unit.
If the power was out, could you gain access to it? |
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In LA, a motorcycle in such a horrible event would make you a target fast. If you do not have lots of dirt bike riding experience, being older and starting a journey in such conditions would be a bad combination, just from the crash hazard. A TW200 is light, agile, and capable if you don’t have years of single track experience. If you do have years of single track experience you’ll have something else in mind already. I’d consider your physical fitness and if possible considering, get a mountain bike. Absolutely a PVS-14 and a bump helmet would be a big bonus regardless of transportation, or lack there of. Water could soon be your biggest issue. Do you park your truck in a parking garage that may make it and its contents inaccessible if collapsed in an earthquake? Some N95 dust masks may be worth having too. Remember when all else fails you can walk, but unless your feet are accustomed to it you’ll be in a world of hurt. Your best bet if maintaining peak physical fitness and a wad of cash, plus water and the other supplies. View Quote |
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I keep my DRZ400 for emergency use mostly. Great to have options
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Gas lasts a long time. I'd probably just take the thing home and swap out all the fluid yearly. Get a spare battery and stop by the unit every month or 3 and swap it out. Obviously you'd want to test it often at first so you could get a baseline on how fast it is discharging.
I like the idea of bringing/storing every single thing you think would be useful. That isn't realistic though. Also what all will you pack on the bike? How strong are you? I think a light nimble dual sport might be a little more handy than a big lumbering type. |
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Gas lasts a long time. I'd probably just take the thing home and swap out all the fluid yearly. Get a spare battery and stop by the unit every month or 3 and swap it out. Obviously you'd want to test it often at first so you could get a baseline on how fast it is discharging. I like the idea of bringing/storing every single thing you think would be useful. That isn't realistic though. Also what all will you pack on the bike? How strong are you? I think a light nimble dual sport might be a little more handy than a big lumbering type. View Quote |
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At the first milli-second of things going down-hill get out of town as fast as possible via non-major roads.
Once a panic sets in getting out will be highly problematic. |
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Hey Taft, ref. your initial post & the question on rifle/shotgun or just handgun, I'm not familiar with your laws
out your way, I know there were some changes the last few yrs. What are your thoughts on an AR pistol w/a basic optic? The way prices are right now, there are some great deals out there. Would that be something that would work for you? Obviously in a true SHTF situation, mag. restrictions will not be a concern, but even up to that point, with restrictions, it's still a great weapon IMO. |
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Its a fair question. Key to the lock is easy, getting out might be an issue. Emergency gate egress via bolt cutters ? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I am thinking civil unrest is real factor followed by major earthquake (roads disrupted) or an EMP type of event. View Quote civil unrest=takes some kind of trigger, be aware of the trigger and you wont get caught in it. Its also localized, not a wide scale event EMP= wouldn't even consider it Earthquake= a likely event, your truck wont get you anywhere. I would just keep a mountainbike stashed somewhere + a BoB |
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Im thinking you are obsessing too much civil unrest=takes some kind of trigger, be aware of the trigger and you wont get caught in it. Its also localized, not a wide scale event EMP= wouldn't even consider it Earthquake= a likely event, your truck wont get you anywhere. I would just keep a mountainbike stashed somewhere + a BoB View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I am thinking civil unrest is real factor followed by major earthquake (roads disrupted) or an EMP type of event. civil unrest=takes some kind of trigger, be aware of the trigger and you wont get caught in it. Its also localized, not a wide scale event EMP= wouldn't even consider it Earthquake= a likely event, your truck wont get you anywhere. I would just keep a mountainbike stashed somewhere + a BoB But earthquakes and EMP are real and bigger problems. I also subscribe to the 2 is 1 and 1 is none rule. Having another vehicle, especially a motocycle to weave in/out of traffic and tight places seems like a plus. |
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I think you are good with just a handgun provided you can reliably hit with it at 100yds and it allows for grayman and you look like less of a threat to onlookers. I have had to many ICE vehicles go bad sitting to trust one left in a cache. I have a customer with a trek electric bike that is bad ass and gets 100 miles on a battery. I think I would get one and a few extra batteries so you can ride quietly at night with your NVGs. Just make it a permanent fixture in the back of your covered secured truck. No need to make it to your cache that may be in the wrong direction. https://trek.scene7.com/is/image/TrekBicycleProducts/PowerflyLT99_19_27119_A_Portrait?$responsive-pjpg$&wid=1920&hei=1440 View Quote |
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I have been interested in the 4 cycle "minibikes" they are selling at various big box stores in my area. (Walmart, Sams, Tractor Supply, etc) They come assembled, but with a dry engine that is basically a lawn mower engine complete with pull cord starter. When I was contemplating taking a job with an hour commute I made a plan similar to yours but with a minibike instead of a dirt bike. The minibike seems better for long term storage, just put it on a block so the tires are off the ground and keep a tire pump, some gas and engine oil with it. Cycle the gas once a year and no need to worry about batteries. I am pretty sure a pull start carburated engine will still work even in the unlikely event of an EMP.
Most of the minibikes come with cargo racks so you could carry some extra gas and other supplies. If you find terrain you can't ride through you should able carry the dang thing a short distance to get past the obstacle. Also one can easily fit inside your regular vehicle (I know you have a truck, so not a big a deal vs a dirt bike or non-folding bicycle) so you could start your bugout with your regular vehicle then switch to the minibike if that become non-viable. Downside is they can be loud, but you can upgrade the muffler. |
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Id add a paper road atlas to allow navigation , no batteries to change, no way an EMP will fry it, and while slower than a GPS it is pretty easy to get various routes. and some method of affixing dirctions to your bike so you can not lose your route while driving/riding.
i think that you might wanna map out routes home that are non bridge dependant, my old home town did a 7.0 earthquake and fully 50% of the roads in and out of town were closed due to bridge damage/HUGE sinkholes, and others were reduced to one lane by BOT for several days a 10 mile commute was an 8 hour proposition. People had no idea about alternate routes and combined that with actually limited roads... apparently a large portion of gas stations were shut down to due to potential cracked underground tanks. |
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I keep a heavy dose of fuel system cleaner in my stored gas including gas tanks on small engines. Cranking them routinely and letting them run a little while keeps them cranking quickly. I'd go with the motorcycle. You can cover a lot of ground fast on one. That with a BOB will go a long way. I wouldn't bother with a long gun if your bugging out on a bike. Just hall ass and use a pistol as a last resort. get home to your long guns. That being said, if you have a way to store and secure one, it can't hurt.
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I have been interested in the 4 cycle "minibikes" they are selling at various big box stores in my area. (Walmart, Sams, Tractor Supply, etc) They come assembled, but with a dry engine that is basically a lawn mower engine complete with pull cord starter. When I was contemplating taking a job with an hour commute I made a plan similar to yours but with a minibike instead of a dirt bike. The minibike seems better for long term storage, just put it on a block so the tires are off the ground and keep a tire pump, some gas and engine oil with it. Cycle the gas once a year and no need to worry about batteries. I am pretty sure a pull start carburated engine will still work even in the unlikely event of an EMP. Most of the minibikes come with cargo racks so you could carry some extra gas and other supplies. If you find terrain you can't ride through you should able carry the dang thing a short distance to get past the obstacle. Also one can easily fit inside your regular vehicle (I know you have a truck, so not a big a deal vs a dirt bike or non-folding bicycle) so you could start your bugout with your regular vehicle then switch to the minibike if that become non-viable. Downside is they can be loud, but you can upgrade the muffler. View Quote I'll try to find a picture. Attached File Attached File |
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When I had a job like this, I decided a decent mountain bike would be best backup.
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can't you keep a bolt cutters in your GHB? that way you don't have to keep and store a mountain bike, just take one.
I mean we're talking about shooting people at 100 yards. Bike theft is much lower on the crime threshold. I'm in a major city and have thought about this. My goal is to take the truck as damn far as I can through any means I can. I know ways without bridges, I know what parking lots to cut through, etc. I would rather run my truck till it's completely stuck and then walk the rest of the way back home, but I only have 12 miles to consider. |
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OP if I recall, you’re the retired LEO with the suburban or similar with all your gear squared away in your pull out storage locker in the back of your rig.
I was impressed with your previous thread on that. I really like your idea of having an storage locker with gear stowed. You never know-if mayhem was truly afoot-that storage locker may give you a place to hunker down and hide in plain sight. Store a cot and blankets-some water and food-a led lantern etc. obviously some mags and ammo. Ham radio to monitor traffic. Gives you an intermediate location to hunker down in between your work and homestead. |
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Storage fuel should be the ethanol free type.
If you don’t have a station that sells it, get the 1 gallon cans that Home Depot sells. $20 a gallon, but you don’t need much. |
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Since you already carrying Glock, the Ruger PC9 takedown is really great companion.
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Quoted: I was looking at the Yamaha TW200. Yes, I am an experienced rider both street and trail. I could walk it if I have to. It would take longer to be sure. I use the gym everyday for 1 hour on a bicycle and change it up to a treadmill. I am certainly not peak fitness just average for my age. A storage unit and the truck woukd have water. No doubt. PVS14 is definitly an asset. The masks make sense. If I had to wait it outva while before traveling I certainly could. View Quote Now to explain the advantages of a small bike, I'll tell you a true story. Tj Story Time (Pink Slips) Back in the day, I use to ride pipelines for fun and compete in "Trials" on a two stroker street trail, specifically a Kawsaki 175. One day my buddies and I are doing this pipeline when this guy rides up in the Jeep from hell. I'm talking a Jeep built to the hilt for offroading and on a trail, you would not expect anything with four wheels. He immediately goes into "I can take this Jeep anywhere you can." Not knowing the man at all, all I did was shake my head and say "Nope." Upset at my obstinate attitude with no explanation, he insists we bet pink slips. Now that Jeep was worth a hell of a lot more than my little bike but that's how confident he was. We agree and shake hands and he says, "OK where?" I point and say "Between those two trees." I didn't take his Jeep. Tj |
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OP if I recall, you’re the retired LEO with the suburban or similar with all your gear squared away in your pull out storage locker in the back of your rig. I was impressed with your previous thread on that. I really like your idea of having an storage locker with gear stowed. You never know-if mayhem was truly afoot-that storage locker may give you a place to hunker down and hide in plain sight. Store a cot and blankets-some water and food-a led lantern etc. obviously some mags and ammo. Ham radio to monitor traffic. Gives you an intermediate location to hunker down in between your work and homestead. View Quote |
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Quoted: I can also endorse a TW200. I really enjoyed the little bike. Its low seat height and fat tires makes it very capable going over things. Not the best, around 60 mph, on highway speeds, it does fair enough to get by. Now to explain the advantages of a small bike, I'll tell you a true story. Tj Story Time (Pink Slips) Back in the day, I use to ride pipelines for fun and compete in "Trials" on a two stroker street trail, specifically a Kawsaki 175. One day my buddies and I are doing this pipeline when this guy rides up in the Jeep from hell. I'm talking a Jeep built to the hilt for offroading and on a trail, you would not expect anything with four wheels. He immediately goes into "I can take this Jeep anywhere you can." Not knowing the man at all, all I did was shake my head and say "Nope." Upset at my obstinate attitude with no explanation, he insists we bet pink slips. Now that Jeep was worth a hell of a lot more than my little bike but that's how confident he was. We agree and shake hands and he says, "OK where?" I point and say "Between those two trees." I didn't take his Jeep. Tj View Quote |
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