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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:08:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because he shoots that rifle a lot and it’s what he’s used to. The rifle you’re best with is the best choice. Caliber doesn’t matter. All I used is 308. There are better options but it’s what I have and know and I’m accurate. I’d love a 300 Rum for the 600 FPS gain if I were to use the same 178gr bullet. Magnums have an advantage. But no matter what caliber you choose it comes down to practice and knowing your rifle, scope, and load. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:12:53 AM EDT
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Because I could...pretty simple isn't it.. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:17:41 AM EDT
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I was curious to see if you would give fact based response or cool response. People do dumb shit all the time because they want to and I'm a big fan of people doing what they want. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:55:36 AM EDT
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Well here is a real answer for you..because at any given time, even where I was sheep hunting we had grizzlies, and I prefer the rum over the win mag when it comes to bears..personal preference after killing a few big ones...That and I have put a pile of rounds thru the rum year round, spring, summer, fall winter, shooting everything from wolverine, fox, lynx, wolves, caribou bears and moose...I trust my life to the round and the gun..And have many times.... |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 12:56:06 AM EDT
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Well here is a real answer for you..because at any given time, even where I was sheep hunting we had grizzlies, and I prefer the rum over the win mag when it comes to bears..personal preference after killing a few big ones...That and I have put a pile of rounds thru the rum year round, spring, summer, fall winter, shooting everything from wolverine, fox, lynx, wolves, caribou bears and moose...I trust my life to the round and the gun..And have many times.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was curious to see if you would give fact based response or cool response. People do dumb shit all the time because they want to and I'm a big fan of people doing what they want. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 1:05:15 AM EDT
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That’s why 300 win mag was pretty much the minimum caliber in southeast which really confused people who know how tiny the deer are. Almost everybody I knew carried a magnum or a Guide Gun everywhere. 
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Posted: 1/18/2020 1:19:20 AM EDT
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When you get a rum if you shoot 178s out of it you have officially failed at life. This 125 pd plus wolf was shot with a 165 grain barnes solid....1" to the right of his A-hole...bullet was under the skin at his neck...  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 1:21:03 AM EDT
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That’s why 300 win mag was pretty much the minimum caliber in southeast which really confused people who know how tiny the deer are. Almost everybody I knew carried a magnum or a Guide Gun everywhere. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 1:37:01 AM EDT
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Why didnt you pack a 50bmg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That’s why 300 win mag was pretty much the minimum caliber in southeast which really confused people who know how tiny the deer are. Almost everybody I knew carried a magnum or a Guide Gun everywhere. The 50 was in the truck |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 1:49:03 AM EDT
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First of all I don’t hunt because that shit is hard work. When I wandered the wilds once in a blue moon I usually carried a 12ga. The 50 was in the truck |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 4:00:55 AM EDT
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Dont carry the m2 or you'll end up dead if the first shot doesn't finish the job. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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First of all I don’t hunt because that shit is hard work. When I wandered the wilds once in a blue moon I usually carried a 12ga. The 50 was in the truck |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 3:26:54 PM EDT
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Well here is a real answer for you..because at any given time, even where I was sheep hunting we had grizzlies, and I prefer the rum over the win mag when it comes to bears..personal preference after killing a few big ones...That and I have put a pile of rounds thru the rum year round, spring, summer, fall winter, shooting everything from wolverine, fox, lynx, wolves, caribou bears and moose...I trust my life to the round and the gun..And have many times.... |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 3:37:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad to see real answers from people that live in these areas and have had to deal with large predators than taking the word of those who've never been and are recommending pawl's weak ass 30-40 Krag for grizzly bears.
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Posted: 1/18/2020 3:51:17 PM EDT
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Sadly people fail to understand the impact velocity has, and unless you kill things and open them up and look at the damage you have no idea what's actually happening...I get the recoil/accuracy thing, and it is real, but in todays world it is easily dealt with and its simple to make the hardest hitting cartridge easily handled by the most recoil sensitive shooter...Ironically, if the guys back in the day had access to the cartridges/rifles we have today...most all of them would be packing magnum rifles and killing the shit out of things....... |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 4:19:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad to see real answers from people that live in these areas and have had to deal with large predators than taking the word of those who've never been and are recommending pawl's weak ass 30-40 Krag for grizzly bears. Dead is dead. 'Latest and greatest' isn't synonymous with 'better' or 'more effective.' 
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Posted: 1/19/2020 4:50:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet Alaskans themselves, as well as hunters coming up to Alaskan (Elmer Keith among them), killed Grizzs, Brownies, moose, and caribou for decades with the 220gn Krag load (@2000-2001fps). Then they killed all the same critters for several more decades with the 30-06. Historical facts, those. Dead is dead. 'Latest and greatest' isn't synonymous with 'better' or 'more effective.'  ..So if all those cartridges were so good why isn't everyone still using them? Why aren't hunters still using BP cartridges if the old stuff was so good? My guess is 99.9% of all those old guys if they had the choice of their old cartridges or those we have today to a man would select modern rifles and cartridges to carry...I understand some people can't handle shooting magnum rifles, I understand some people like the old cartridges..Great go enjoy your cartridge, but don't stand there and try and tell me what cartridge I have to shoot because of your feelzzzz.......
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Posted: 1/19/2020 8:03:52 PM EDT
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Quoted: And yet Alaskans themselves, as well as hunters coming up to Alaskan (Elmer Keith among them), killed Grizzs, Brownies, moose, and caribou for decades with the 220gn Krag load (@2000-2001fps). Then they killed all the same critters for several more decades with the 30-06. Historical facts, those. Dead is dead. 'Latest and greatest' isn't synonymous with 'better' or 'more effective.' People definitely get invested a little too heavily in their favorite rounds as they do with everything. It's human nature. There is also a reason professional hunters all over the world have minimum calibers for dangerous game and they are not 30/40 krag, 35 whelen, etc. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 8:47:23 PM EDT
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I don't know if that is considered a strawman but it's a pretty common argument that in my mind is bullshit. Highly skilled people like Keith can kill just about anything with any caliber and as technology continues to improve so can many less skilled people. Doesn't make it a good idea either. Sure there are plenty of people that go overkill but as so many people frequently remind everyone in self defense threads nobody ever wishes they had less gun when something actually happens. How many elephants have been killed with 308 and 303? How many people would recommend either as a good elephant round? People definitely get invested a little too heavily in their favorite rounds as they do with everything. It's human nature. There is also a reason professional hunters all over the world have minimum calibers for dangerous game and they are not 30/40 krag, 35 whelen, etc. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 9:13:09 PM EDT
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Minimum caliber are for unskilled bitches. I'm going to Africa next month and I plan on using my 17hmr. Behind the ear shots will plant anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't know if that is considered a strawman but it's a pretty common argument that in my mind is bullshit. Highly skilled people like Keith can kill just about anything with any caliber and as technology continues to improve so can many less skilled people. Doesn't make it a good idea either. Sure there are plenty of people that go overkill but as so many people frequently remind everyone in self defense threads nobody ever wishes they had less gun when something actually happens. How many elephants have been killed with 308 and 303? How many people would recommend either as a good elephant round? People definitely get invested a little too heavily in their favorite rounds as they do with everything. It's human nature. There is also a reason professional hunters all over the world have minimum calibers for dangerous game and they are not 30/40 krag, 35 whelen, etc. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 10:00:40 PM EDT
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Minimum caliber are for unskilled bitches. You have to wonder why some of these guys go outside the cabin to throw a major whine-fest. 
Although, have to say, that Sue Aikens guy really impresses. Certainly a manly man who knows how to handle a 12ga slug gun.  Sue exhibits enough persona to restore one's faith in the Alaskan male .... such as it is today. 
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Posted: 1/19/2020 10:43:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet Alaskans themselves, as well as hunters coming up to Alaskan (Elmer Keith among them), killed Grizzs, Brownies, moose, and caribou for decades with the 220gn Krag load (@2000-2001fps). Then they killed all the same critters for several more decades with the 30-06. Historical facts, those. Dead is dead. 'Latest and greatest' isn't synonymous with 'better' or 'more effective.' Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet Alaskans themselves, as well as hunters coming up to Alaskan (Elmer Keith among them), killed Grizzs, Brownies, moose, and caribou for decades with the 220gn Krag load (@2000-2001fps). Then they killed all the same critters for several more decades with the 30-06. Historical facts, those. Dead is dead. 'Latest and greatest' isn't synonymous with 'better' or 'more effective.' Quoted:
Minimum caliber are for unskilled bitches. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 10:53:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your ignorance is absolutely hilarious, if not a bit alarming as well. I really hope you never actually go hunting bears with your pawl's 30-40 Krag. Wow, you're so cool and edgy with your internet chest pumping haha. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 10:54:53 PM EDT
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Your ignorance is absolutely hilarious, if not a bit alarming as well. I really hope you never actually go hunting bears with your pawl's 30-40 Krag. Wow, you're so cool and edgy with your internet chest pumping haha. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: And yet Alaskans themselves, as well as hunters coming up to Alaskan (Elmer Keith among them), killed Grizzs, Brownies, moose, and caribou for decades with the 220gn Krag load (@2000-2001fps). Then they killed all the same critters for several more decades with the 30-06. Historical facts, those. Dead is dead. 'Latest and greatest' isn't synonymous with 'better' or 'more effective.' Quoted:
Minimum caliber are for unskilled bitches.
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Posted: 1/19/2020 11:09:11 PM EDT
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Get the 300 Win Mag with a brake, or have one installed. A good brake will dramatically increase noise, but reduce recoil to less than .308. An alternative would be .270 winchester, and careful bullet selection and practice. With .270, sometimes you need to double load - i.e. a stout bullet chambered for close, under 100 yard shots, coupled with next rounds being a target construction bullet that will travel distance well, and still expand significantly at reduced velocities.
Personally, I don't get the suggestions for RUM - odd bolt face, big case body, reduced barrel life. Reduced ammo availability. |
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Posted: 1/19/2020 11:51:01 PM EDT
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Get the 300 Win Mag with a brake, or have one installed. A good brake will dramatically increase noise, but reduce recoil to less than .308. An alternative would be .270 winchester, and careful bullet selection and practice. With .270, sometimes you need to double load - i.e. a stout bullet chambered for close, under 100 yard shots, coupled with next rounds being a target construction bullet that will travel distance well, and still expand significantly at reduced velocities. Personally, I don't get the suggestions for RUM - odd bolt face, big case body, reduced barrel life. Reduced ammo availability. ..Just a few rum sized bolt faces, including many very popular "old" time cartridges like 375 H&H....
Short actions....  Attached FileLong actions...  Attached FileAnd that doesn't count some of the new cartridges out that everyone recommends..like 30 Nosler, 300 PRC and others..Oh and guess what, they are all fat cartridges as well...Damn evidently the rum is a much better cartridge than you thought, seems quite a few of the latest greatest cartridges are all built off the same basic dimensions....go figure...Must explain why the RUM works so good... 
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Posted: 1/20/2020 12:04:49 AM EDT
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LOL..Odd bolt face? ..Just a few rum sized bolt faces, including many very popular "old" time cartridges like 375 H&H....
Short actions.... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/404934/Screen_Shot_2020-01-19_at_6_42_59_PM_png-1241600.JPG Long actions... https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/404934/Screen_Shot_2020-01-19_at_6_42_49_PM_png-1241601.JPG And that doesn't count some of the new cartridges out that everyone recommends..like 30 Nosler, 300 PRC and others..Oh and guess what, they are all fat cartridges as well...Damn evidently the rum is a much better cartridge than you thought, seems quite a few of the latest greatest cartridges are all built off the same basic dimensions....go figure...Must explain why the RUM works so good... |
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Posted: 1/20/2020 12:15:12 AM EDT
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I want to see you and lrrp battle over who's kool aid is best. 300RUM vs 6.5 grendel. 
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Posted: 1/20/2020 12:23:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you're an uncool moron ... So there's that too. LOL! |
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Posted: 1/20/2020 12:25:00 AM EDT
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Oh sweetie it's not just on the internet. 
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Posted: 1/20/2020 12:39:04 AM EDT
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The elk I shot with 308 didn't go far. I've seen them drop with 300 wby, and 300wm. I have heard stories from hunting partners about an elk here or there running over the top of a mountain and it becoming a pain in the ass pack out. If a buddy called and wanted to go tomorrow I'd take my 308 and be happy, if I was going on a once in the life time hunt a year from now I'd buy a 300wm and practice once a month until then. Personally, I've been eyeing the Tikka cause it's light accurate and the price is right.
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Posted: 1/20/2020 1:13:37 AM EDT
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Why not just let people pick whatever they want to shoot...Amazingly enough, it doesn't bother me a bit that you shoot standard low recoil cartridges...it's ironic how much it bugs you that I shoot a magnum cartridge though... |
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Posted: 1/20/2020 1:20:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: #internettoughguy https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6b/45/27/6b45274821b1dd70786b92c782ae6c2e.jpg 
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Posted: 1/21/2020 1:40:42 PM EDT
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I suggest that almost everyone who has posted in this thread on the last page spend some time reacquainting themselves with the CoC in regard to the tech forums
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