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Posted: 7/11/2019 8:35:42 AM EDT
Tried .44 mag - didn't think it had enough power for my liking.
Jumped up to a .450 Bushmaster last year. Unfortunately the weather sucked during our one week gun season and I never put a shot on a deer. What are you guys using in states that have this requirement? |
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Posted: 7/11/2019 8:46:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Parke1]
[#1]
 Attached FileTwo Coshocton county deer down with my Marlin 1895 last year (my first ever successful year deer hunting). Both shot within 50 yards, both never took a step. I can't think of any reason to change up my rifle at this point (for the area where I have hunting permission). |
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Posted: 7/11/2019 8:47:50 AM EDT
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That rule sucks. What kind of distances are you shooting?
I would think your .44mag or .450 be be pretty decent in Ohio, unless you have some wide open patch of land. |
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Posted: 7/11/2019 8:48:57 AM EDT
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450 is what a lot of the Iowa guys have gone to recently
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Posted: 7/11/2019 9:12:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Parke1:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/62064/4570MASTER-374169-380092_jpg-1011910.JPG Two Coshocton county deer down with my Marlin 1895 last year (my first ever successful year deer hunting). Both shot within 50 yards, both never took a step. I can't think of any reason to change up my rifle at this point (for the area where I have hunting permission). 
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Posted: 7/11/2019 9:14:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By unpleasant:
That rule sucks. What kind of distances are you shooting? I would think your .44mag or .450 be be pretty decent in Ohio, unless you have some wide open patch of land. Last year I watched a beautiful HUGE buck walk across a field at about 300 yards. A better rest and my .30-06 I might have had a chance. |
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Posted: 7/11/2019 9:15:58 AM EDT
[#6]
.45 Raptor
Large Frame AR Master Race... 
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Posted: 7/11/2019 9:24:30 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pneumagger:
.45 Raptor Large Frame AR Master Race... 
My 450 is a Ruger American. I will eventually build an AR in the same caliber, I just haven't yet. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/11/2019 9:46:00 AM EDT
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Not required but I have been playing with .38-55 in a high wall clone. 265 grain flat nose. It will kill food.
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Posted: 7/11/2019 9:47:31 AM EDT
[#9]
take a look at .444
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Posted: 7/11/2019 10:05:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: aeroworksxp]
[#10]
45-70. At least that is what I would get if I were to hunt here in Ohio.
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Posted: 7/11/2019 12:47:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bodybagger]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SteelonSteel:
Not required but I have been playing with .38-55 in a high wall clone. 265 grain flat nose. It will kill food. |
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Posted: 7/11/2019 2:38:44 PM EDT
[#12]
.458 Win Mag
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Posted: 7/11/2019 9:22:52 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bodybagger:
I'm looking at getting into the .38-55 game myself. I think I want a lever gun but I recently saw the Lyman Ideal Sharps. A high wall would be the beans too. I need to look at those. Tennessee is not a straight wall state but I dig old cartridges. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bodybagger:
Originally Posted By SteelonSteel:
Not required but I have been playing with .38-55 in a high wall clone. 265 grain flat nose. It will kill food. |
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Posted: 7/11/2019 9:38:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/11/2019 10:09:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sjuhockey10: Or .375 Win, in the vein of .38-55. |
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Posted: 7/11/2019 10:14:05 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Parke1:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/62064/4570MASTER-374169-380092_jpg-1011910.JPG Two Coshocton county deer down with my Marlin 1895 last year (my first ever successful year deer hunting). Both shot within 50 yards, both never took a step. I can't think of any reason to change up my rifle at this point (for the area where I have hunting permission). 
On a serious note, .45-70 is a damn good cartridge. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 7/12/2019 9:42:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mcb]
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44 Mag works just fine. I use to hunt deer in Ohio with a 410 slug gun. A 44 Mag would have been awesome in comparison. I bought the above M92 for hunting in Ohio but moved out of the state the year the law changed. 
Don't hunt in a straight wall state much any more but I still like playing with 450 Bushmaster. My 450 has yet to see a round of factory ammo, its been a fun cartridge to reload for. 
350 Legend look like it could be a fun cartridge too, especially if you already have a 9mm suppressor. |
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Posted: 7/12/2019 1:10:36 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcb:
350 Legend look like it could be a fun cartridge too, especially if you already have a 9mm suppressor. |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 8:05:18 PM EDT
[#19]
While not a “rifle” I sport a 20ga with a rifled barrel.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 8:11:33 PM EDT
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I keep hoping to find a .444 Marlin I can afford. Otherwise, a .30-30 bored out to .38-55 is a possibility.
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:20:59 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AirRaceFan:
I keep hoping to find a .444 Marlin I can afford. Otherwise, a .30-30 bored out to .38-55 is a possibility. http://www.35caliber.com/2.html |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:35:02 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bodybagger:
Looks like JES can bore a 30-30 out to .444 http://www.35caliber.com/2.html |
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Posted: 7/18/2019 9:48:58 PM EDT
[#23]
Besides the WTF reasons. Why does this rule exist? What’s the reasoning (however insane) behind it?
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Posted: 7/18/2019 11:16:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Steamedliver:
Besides the WTF reasons. Why does this rule exist? What’s the reasoning (however insane) behind it? |
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Posted: 7/19/2019 8:03:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Steamedliver:
Besides the WTF reasons. Why does this rule exist? What's the reasoning (however insane) behind it? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 7/19/2019 8:28:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbd870:
Ignorant politicians listing to old wives tales Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbd870:
Originally Posted By Steamedliver:
Besides the WTF reasons. Why does this rule exist? What's the reasoning (however insane) behind it? Funny thing is, you can't even use a 30-30 Winchester. The market answered with the 450 Bushmaster, chambered in evil black rifles. It is pretty damn goofy. Missing out on a bunch of effective calibers like 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel....which are legal for coyote and I believe hogs. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 7/19/2019 8:31:37 AM EDT
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@mcb
Is that stock on your scary black rifle a factory Bushmaster stock? Never seen that one before. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 7/19/2019 8:39:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mcb]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SEAN10MM:
@mcb Is that stock on your scary black rifle a factory Bushmaster stock? Never seen that one before. Yes it's a factory Bushmaster stock. My gun is a parts gun (old style 450BM upper and some other random parts and I built the lower) but Bushmaster is putting that stock on the current version of the 20-inch 450 Bushmaster rifle from their Minimalist line: (https://www.bushmaster.com/firearms/minimalist-sd/450-bushmaster-sd-carbine). Remington also uses the same stock on the R-25 GII but with camo on it. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 7/19/2019 9:19:37 AM EDT
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Nice, I like the cheek weld "shelf" they put on it. Kind of like a modern take on a Monte Carlo stock for an AR type rifle.
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USA
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Posted: 7/19/2019 9:27:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Burnsy87:
450 is what a lot of the Iowa guys have gone to recently A buddy hunts deer from a tree stand with a Ruger #1 in 45-70, topped with a 1-5x Leupy. Shots are well inside 100yds, and more like 50yds. |
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Posted: 7/19/2019 9:47:02 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbd870:
Ignorant politicians listing to old wives tales |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 7/19/2019 10:39:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StromBusa:
take a look at .444 I love mine. I need to break it's "deer cherry" and take it out. Alas, I deploy right when the season starts for modern firearm..... |
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Posted: 7/20/2019 10:32:12 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Steamedliver:
I get it, but is that old wives' tale? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Steamedliver:
Originally Posted By dbd870:
Ignorant politicians listing to old wives tales |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/23/2019 7:49:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Buckeye33]
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I’ve used most of the standard calibers and it all boils down to how you hunt and how far you will most likely get a shot. 44 mag works great if you stay within its limits of about 140 yards. I’ve killed 2 with a 44 and had no problems
I have a 45-70 but it’s a heavy pig and really more than what I need. I too built a 450 but didn’t get a deer with it. I did miss and the blast and concussion without ear plugs ruined the rest of the day. This year I’ve built 2 350 Legend uppers to try. I really like this caliber and am enjoying working with it. Not nearly as much blast and recoil. So far they both have proven plenty accurate enough for deer with the 180 grain power points. Best part is about every 2 weeks another factory load comes out to try. My take on the 350 is it’s a very usable caliber for what I want and how I hunt. Best part is it uses almost all standard parts so you only need a barrel and a mag to get an existing upper ready. Really a pretty cheap way to try out a new round. Should make a nice multipurpose deer and yote gun. |
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Posted: 7/23/2019 8:24:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Capt_Jerry]
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Although I can use non-straight walled cartridges here in Florida I like using my Marlin 1895 GBL in 45-70. I also have a Marlin 336 in .44 mag which will do the job. It has been my experience that the 45-70 with Hornady LEVERevolution 325 FTX's are much more accurate then any of my .44 mag loads in the event I get a longer shot. As I hunt woodlands it would be miraculous for a 100 yard clear shot .
Fired the 45-70 twice, good results: 
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Posted: 7/23/2019 8:33:22 AM EDT
[#36]
Originally Posted By AJE:
Tried .44 mag - didn't think it had enough power for my liking. Jumped up to a .450 Bushmaster last year. Unfortunately the weather sucked during our one week gun season and I never put a shot on a deer. What are you guys using in states that have this requirement? 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2019 10:31:47 PM EDT
[#37]
Get the law changed. Think Indiana finally got some standard cartridges approved a couple years ago.
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Posted: 7/29/2019 8:45:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mercersfinest4]
[#38]
I have a Tromix 458 SOCOM upper that I plan to try this season.
Would that round be eligible? It does have a slight taper. |
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Posted: 7/30/2019 2:57:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bodybagger]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4:
I have a Tromix 458 SOCOM upper that I plan to try this season. Would that round be eligible? It does have a slight taper. Edit: I just noticed your location is Georgia even a straight wall case state? |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/6/2019 12:36:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zeebz]
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I use my Magnum Research BFR in 500 S&W Magnum. Michigan, unfortunately, has a case length limit for the lower part of the state (we have a rifle line for those unaware). If not for that I'd use my Winchester 1886 in 45-70 Govt. The case length limit thing is just so stupid.
I have heard of guys cutting 45-70 cases to meet the limit and hunting with them, but I don't want to play what-ifs. My hope is just that they wise up eventually and do allow stuff like 45-70, 30-30, 450 Marlin, etc. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/6/2019 9:25:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nick_Adams]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz:
I use my Magnum Research BFR in 500 S&W Magnum. Michigan, unfortunately, has a case length limit for the lower part of the state (we have a rifle line for those unaware). If not for that I'd use my Winchester 1886 in 45-70 Govt. The case length limit thing is just so stupid. Saw you're in Michigan. I know a few guys who hunt areas above the 'Rifle Line' with their M1 Garands. One of them has a hole-in-the-wall camper up in the U.P. ... he shoots a scrawny deer up there with his M1 every year. LOL! 
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/7/2019 4:42:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zeebz]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nick_Adams: Yeah, I agree. It is stupid. Saw you're in Michigan. I know a few guys who hunt areas above the 'Rifle Line' with their M1 Garands. One of them has a hole-in-the-wall camper up in the U.P. ... he shoots a scrawny deer up there with his M1 every year. LOL! I usually hunt up there with my 45-70 (for deep woods), 308, or 300 Win Mag (for open fields). My buddy who hunts property in lower MI below the rifle line wants me to go out with him this year, thus I need something that abides by the silly laws. My buddy laughed when I told him I'd be using a handgun. He loves shotguns but isn't too up to snuff on handguns or rifles, so he's in for a surprise when he sees my BFR .500 hand howitzer lol! |
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Posted: 8/7/2019 5:13:01 PM EDT
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Possible cartridges for Michigan with it's 1.8" case length limit (1.16 on the short end):
357 Magnum 357 Maximum 350 Legend 10 mm Magnum 41 Magnum 414 Super Magnum 44 magnum 445 Super Magnum 45 colt 454 Casull 450 Bushmaster 460 S&W 45 Raptor 480 Ruger 475 Linebaugh 50 AE 50 Beowulf 500 S&W 500 Auto Max |
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Posted: 8/24/2019 8:53:34 PM EDT
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Ive always thought the 444 Marlin was a cool round, but never owned a rifle so chambered.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/24/2019 9:54:52 PM EDT
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https://matchgrademachine.com/product/encore-rifle-barrel-444-marlin-stainless-steel-24-1-20-twist-heavy-factory-contour-2/
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Posted: 8/25/2019 9:57:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nick_Adams]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz:
Haha yeah. The deer are pretty scrawny up there, so I'm sure his Garand whacks them pretty damn good. We get a lot of issues up there with bovine TB and CWD in the deer. I usually hunt up there with my 45-70 (for deep woods), 308, or 300 Win Mag (for open fields). My buddy who hunts property in lower MI below the rifle line wants me to go out with him this year, thus I need something that abides by the silly laws. My buddy laughed when I told him I'd be using a handgun. He loves shotguns but isn't too up to snuff on handguns or rifles, so he's in for a surprise when he sees my BFR .500 hand howitzer lol! Interestingly, the owner of Shuff's Parkerizing (who builds the Mini-Gs) hunts above the R-L with his personal .35 Whelen variant. The perfect 'deep woods gun'! LOL! Yeah, it's overkill on scrawny deer. But it makes good practice for bear or moose hunts. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ1WtDghxbg 
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Posted: 10/2/2019 9:27:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RobertL]
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450 Bushmaster, Bushmaster barrel, bolt and upper receiver. The rest of it is Larue.
Hopefully, this guy is still around for rifle season. 
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Posted: 10/3/2019 4:10:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mike103]
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You should get 50 more yards out of a 444 vs a 45/70.
I have both but we shoot deer close where I hunt so no difference. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2019 10:02:50 AM EDT
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Another vote for 45/70
I don't hunt anymore so I sold all mine-- but amazingly effective cartridge -- I used a MArlin Guide Gun with a 3-9 scope and the Hornady flex tip 325gr bullets. Recoil was brick in that gun but manageable. Recoil from the same cartridge in my old Ruger #1 would detach your retinas in comparison |
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USA
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Posted: 11/14/2019 6:22:52 PM EDT
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A coworker hunts hogs and whitetail with a 450 Bushmaster. The round does the job within 100 yards, but his Radical Firearms AR is a total POS.
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