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Posted: 4/19/2022 3:52:08 PM EDT
So, FM is now legal on 11m, same 4 watts, same channels. President Thomas is the first AM/FM type accepted radio on the market. Though, the Bill II, and Randy II (HT) are waiting for FCC approval. Uniden has the PC76LTXFM and the Bearcat 880FM awaiting approval, too. I'm guessing that all of President's AM and AM/SSB rigs will have FM soon enough, since most of them have the capability which has been locked out in software.
I've kinda gotten back into CB, new developments like this, and a host of radios that aren't just rehashed old ones, that actually have decent receivers, is kinda nice.   |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 5:15:31 PM EDT
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I guess I should just google it, but this being a discussion forum, are you saying that CB is limited to 4 watts? For some reason, I thought more than that was allowed.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 5:22:53 PM EDT
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4 watts on am, 12 pep on ssb, despite what the good buddies at the truck stop will tell you.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 6:11:59 PM EDT
[#3]
"FM"
we know nobody cares 
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:25:04 PM EDT
[#4]
So now I have to get my CB modded for FM too.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:50:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4 watts on am, 12 pep on ssb, despite what the good buddies at the truck stop will tell you. Thanks. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 7:57:25 PM EDT
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Local ragchew could benefit from FM. Nice. No earth shaking way forward, though.
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Posted: 4/19/2022 8:08:42 PM EDT
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Brings back memories of when CB was legalized in the UK ... but only on FM
Everyone wanted to scrap FM and be able to use AM and SSB. FM will be fine while parked next to the person you are talking to... |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 8:52:52 PM EDT
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How the hell can I shoot skip on FM!?!?!?
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Posted: 4/19/2022 9:09:00 PM EDT
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I just looked at the permissible emissions... 8K0F3E. That's narrower than the 11K2F3E currently used for LMR applications between 50 MHz and 470 MHz.
The audio is either going to be overly companded or have a much lower low pass filter and won't provide great fidelity. |
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Posted: 4/19/2022 10:54:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How the hell can I shoot skip on FM!?!?!? I have talked thousands of miles away on 29mhz FM, . . . CB FM ( 27mhz ) will be about the same |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 7:39:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have talked thousands of miles away on 29mhz FM, . . . CB FM ( 27mhz ) will be about the same 
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Posted: 4/20/2022 12:20:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The lip-flappin' gum-smackin' types will be disappointed in the swing. There are plenty of those types on 80m any time you want to hear them. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 12:41:43 PM EDT
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Just as a caution, I got the new President mobile radios. I probably should have checked first but
they don't have CTCSS. And they really really really need it. On channel 6 (a preferred channel for the guys running illegal linears) and quite a few others with a real antenna the radio will never close the squelch for more than a few seconds due to how high the noise floor is. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 1:17:01 PM EDT
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I was just being an ass. Getting ready to pick up some Lot Lizards after showin' 'em my fancy new FM skyburner, after it's been peaked and tuned.
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have talked thousands of miles away on 29mhz FM, . . . CB FM ( 27mhz ) will be about the same |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:06:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brings back memories of when CB was legalized in the UK ... but only on FM. There are (or were) "export" models being sold here in the US that are both AM and FM - and are usable without modification on some 10M ham repeaters. IIRC, they were originally intended for CB use in some parts of Europe (Italy maybe?). |
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Posted: 4/21/2022 9:30:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just as a caution, I got the new President mobile radios. I probably should have checked first but they don't have CTCSS. And they really really really need it. On channel 6 (a preferred channel for the guys running illegal linears) and quite a few others with a real antenna the radio will never close the squelch for more than a few seconds due to how high the noise floor is. |
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Posted: 4/21/2022 9:40:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Anytone AT-500M has CTCSS/DCS, but the radio, at least the one I got, was junk. Very poor modulation on AM, was below some stock HT's. Sent it back. Yea, that channel is a mess, but I also hear a lot of DX on several other channels, and anything above 33 is usually SSB. This includes the "freeband" area. There's a guy in Florida, Lester, who has a bunch of videos of him modding radios, either with replacing transistors, or adding an amp, or whatnot, and I have no idea how this guy is still in business. The FCC has spanked many "cb shops" for doing stuff like this. I'm thinking low band Syntor X9000...VCO should lock in 27 MHz and it will only bleed a half channel on either side. |
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Posted: 4/21/2022 11:07:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How the hell can I shoot skip on FM!?!?!? Linear Amplifier Bro
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Posted: 4/21/2022 11:41:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Anytone AT-500M has CTCSS/DCS, but the radio, at least the one I got, was junk. Very poor modulation on AM, was below some stock HT's. Sent it back. Yea, that channel is a mess, but I also hear a lot of DX on several other channels, and anything above 33 is usually SSB. This includes the "freeband" area. There's a guy in Florida, Lester, who has a bunch of videos of him modding radios, either with replacing transistors, or adding an amp, or whatnot, and I have no idea how this guy is still in business. The FCC has spanked many "cb shops" for doing stuff like this. Yes, many, many channels are just useless in most of the CONUS, and primarily due to a small group in the south and upper midwest from what I can tell. If you read into the culture, it sounds like the hardcore guys are running about 20KW. And some of them are doing that mobile(!). I was really hoping FM CB would work well here (I'm in a mountainous area where lower freqs would be better) but I couldn't get things to work out of the box because of how bad the QRM is. |
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Posted: 4/21/2022 3:46:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, many, many channels are just useless in most of the CONUS, and primarily due to a small group in the south and upper midwest from what I can tell. If you read into the culture, it sounds like the hardcore guys are running about 20KW. And some of them are doing that mobile(!). I was really hoping FM CB would work well here (I'm in a mountainous area where lower freqs would be better) but I couldn't get things to work out of the box because of how bad the QRM is. I used to know a few of the guys that did this back in the 90's. "Four pieces of glass will get a tetrode stuck in your @$$..."   No Excuses On Da Bowl by Prime Minister Sir Mix Alot has a few "CB" songs. One titled "Big Johnson". LOL! |
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Posted: 4/21/2022 7:09:28 PM EDT
[#21]
 Keydown, aerials on fire!!!.USA. Shared by 30LS001 |
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Posted: 4/21/2022 7:16:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryTheir splatter is probably still contributing to QRM years later. 
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Posted: 4/21/2022 7:18:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm thinking low band Syntor X9000...VCO should lock in 27 MHz and it will only bleed a half channel on either side. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Anytone AT-500M has CTCSS/DCS, but the radio, at least the one I got, was junk. Very poor modulation on AM, was below some stock HT's. Sent it back. Yea, that channel is a mess, but I also hear a lot of DX on several other channels, and anything above 33 is usually SSB. This includes the "freeband" area. There's a guy in Florida, Lester, who has a bunch of videos of him modding radios, either with replacing transistors, or adding an amp, or whatnot, and I have no idea how this guy is still in business. The FCC has spanked many "cb shops" for doing stuff like this. I'm thinking low band Syntor X9000...VCO should lock in 27 MHz and it will only bleed a half channel on either side. I built an arduino VCO divider driver for them with a direct entry interface and OLED display. I think it locked from about 24 up to 70 something. I need to revisit that project. |
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Posted: 4/22/2022 1:50:36 PM EDT
[#24]
Ham friend of mine had one of those. He would switch antennas from 6m to 10m depending on propagation on the latter. I wonder if the TYT9800 will go down to 27Mhz?
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Posted: 4/22/2022 5:13:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to know a few of the guys that did this back in the 90's. "Four pieces of glass will get a tetrode stuck in your @$$..."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IfS4oMa1JgSir Mix Alot has a few "CB" songs. One titled "Big Johnson". LOL! Love it!
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Posted: 4/22/2022 10:30:24 PM EDT
[#26]
Yup.
It was lobbied hard by the folks who make 11m radios. It'll drive the sale of new rigs, but isn't really an earth shattering mode, IMO. YMMV. You're better off buying an 11m SSB rig. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 9:27:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. It was lobbied hard by the folks who make 11m radios. It'll drive the sale of new rigs, but isn't really an earth shattering mode, IMO. YMMV. You're better off buying an 11m SSB rig. Resized for quote. Cobra and President were the two that lobbied for it. Obviously sales of rigs was their motive. IMHO, they should have also lobbied for additional frequencies. Maybe 20KHz above and 20KHz below. Freebanders use that area anyway. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 10:19:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if the TYT9800 will go down to 27Mhz? It will 
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Posted: 4/23/2022 2:10:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Resized for quote. Cobra and President were the two that lobbied for it. Obviously sales of rigs was their motive. IMHO, they should have also lobbied for additional frequencies. Maybe 20KHz above and 20KHz below. Freebanders use that area anyway. I'd be a bit less cynical if they added FM to a SSB/AM mode radio. Maybe eventually... |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 2:26:15 PM EDT
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They probably will eventually although most "power users" won't care.
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Posted: 4/23/2022 2:28:05 PM EDT
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It's 20-30 years too late. CB is dead. [billy crystal- prince's bride] mostly dead |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 2:41:58 PM EDT
[#32]
So now I can have my own top 40 FM station?
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Posted: 4/23/2022 2:44:37 PM EDT
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Sure. You will need a 20kw amp and a 400 foot tower. LOL.
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Posted: 4/23/2022 2:48:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's 20-30 years too late. CB is dead. [billy crystal- prince's bride] mostly dead It hasn't been lately. I was looking at the waterfall on my 7300 last week during the day and there was activity all over 11m. Granted local traffic is almost nil, but the "skip shooters" are still there. I did run across a group of locals on ch 39 LSB that hang out there all the time. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 5:18:20 PM EDT
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I hear Freebanders here several times during the week and multiple times during the weekend on 11m. Now mostly driving up and down the nearby highway yelling "Audio! Audio! Audio!" with enough power to come in on my stereo speakers, duh. It took me a while to narrow down what band was coming thru on the speakers, about the time I had it figured out was when several started yelling Audio Audio as they went by
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Posted: 4/23/2022 5:30:21 PM EDT
[#36]
10-4
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Posted: 4/23/2022 5:43:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2022 1:11:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It hasn't been lately. I was looking at the waterfall on my 7300 last week during the day and there was activity all over 11m. Granted local traffic is almost nil, but the "skip shooters" are still there. I did run across a group of locals on ch 39 LSB that hang out there all the time. There used to be (and maybe still is) a pretty large group of spanish speakers on CB, mostly Mesa/Guadalupe area IIRC. There's no shortage of activity on CB, it's just that there's so much QRM from the guys running power it's difficult for local comms if you just want to hear the other guy when he presses the mic button like VHF. |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 2:20:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2022 8:52:35 AM EDT
[#40]
This induced a solid chuckle on my end, gooood buddyyyyy.
Quote History |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 2:03:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ham friend of mine had one of those. He would switch antennas from 6m to 10m depending on propagation on the latter. I wonder if the TYT9800 will go down to 27Mhz? Motorola had a diplex chart using specific lengths of RG-58 tee'd to one another for the purpose of using one radio and fixed antennas in the space. |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 2:13:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was lobbied hard by the folks who make 11m radios. Who are idiots. Could have just done ACSB without any change from the FCC, had higher power, increased range, and 2x the available frequencies. Oh wait, that's if they actually wanted useful communications. This is CB. |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 3:23:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who are idiots. Could have just done ACSB without any change from the FCC, had higher power, increased range, and 2x the available frequencies. Oh wait, that's if they actually wanted useful communications. This is CB. That would also require tech beyond 1970s era consumer radio design, which they don't really seem to be capable of doing. They could easily implement ACSB, selective calling and god knows what other features using a DSP from a decade ago. |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 8:05:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hear Freebanders here several times during the week and multiple times during the weekend on 11m. Now mostly driving up and down the nearby highway yelling "Audio! Audio! Audio!" with enough power to come in on my stereo speakers, duh. It took me a while to narrow down what band was coming thru on the speakers, about the time I had it figured out was when several started yelling Audio Audio as they went by Quote HistoryQuoted: I hear Freebanders here several times during the week and multiple times during the weekend on 11m. Now mostly driving up and down the nearby highway yelling "Audio! Audio! Audio!" with enough power to come in on my stereo speakers, duh. It took me a while to narrow down what band was coming thru on the speakers, about the time I had it figured out was when several started yelling Audio Audio as they went by And some wonder why there is apprehension about everyone and their dog buying baothings. Quoted: That would also require tech beyond 1970s era consumer radio design, which they don't really seem to be capable of doing. They could easily implement ACSB, selective calling and god knows what other features using a DSP from a decade ago. Who needs selective calling when the target market drives up and down the highway saying "AUUUUUUDIO" over and over to see how much power they're getting out of their illegal amplifier that's probably spewing harmonics all the way into the WiFi band. |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 9:08:13 PM EDT
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It's 20-30 years too late. CB is dead. All the better to have a few of them around... |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 9:14:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who are idiots. Could have just done ACSB without any change from the FCC, had higher power, increased range, and 2x the available frequencies. Oh wait, that's if they actually wanted useful communications. This is CB. Well, you can't say that every decision the Gov't makes is logical... And CB is useful, if you're in an area not overrun with noise. I run a weekly net that works pretty well. |
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Posted: 4/24/2022 10:07:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, you can't say that every decision the Gov't makes is logical... And CB is useful, if you're in an area not overrun with noise. I run a weekly net that works pretty well. ACSB fits into the current legalities of SSB CB, I think his issue is someone like President should be implementing that, not FM. An ACSB radio would have 12W out and support 80 channels (both sidebands could carry traffic.) Since ACSB using a pilot tone, there's no special tuning involved (the radio sees the tone and adjusts RX to be spot on, like an automatic clarifier.) It really is a no-brainer, I'd never thought of it before but it really is stupid that the CB manufacturers aren't doing this. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 5:52:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It really is a no-brainer, I'd never thought of it before but it really is stupid that the CB manufacturers aren't doing this. Agreed. Pity. |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 11:08:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's 20-30 years too late. CB is dead. [billy crystal- prince's bride] mostly dead |
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Posted: 4/25/2022 11:10:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hear Freebanders here several times during the week and multiple times during the weekend on 11m. Now mostly driving up and down the nearby highway yelling "Audio! Audio! Audio!" with enough power to come in on my stereo speakers, duh. It took me a while to narrow down what band was coming thru on the speakers, about the time I had it figured out was when several started yelling Audio Audio as they went by
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