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Posted: 2/28/2010 4:27:07 PM EDT
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Tag for some great info.
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Posted: 2/28/2010 6:24:56 PM EDT
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Clothing. Can be bought cheap at garage sales.
Duct tape Rope Canned food. toiletries bailing wire. |
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Posted: 2/28/2010 6:45:55 PM EDT
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Hydrogen Peroxide, 30% (much longer effective shelf life than commercial)
Isopropyl Alcohol, 98% Potassium Iodide, (Crystals, USP/ACS) Calcium Hypochlorite Means to distill water and alcohol Ability to determine soil pH, nutrient balance, etc. Sooooooo many others........just thinking from a chemist point of view....soooo many others..... |
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Posted: 2/28/2010 10:19:03 PM EDT
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Silver bullets.
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Posted: 3/1/2010 5:25:41 AM EDT
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Mosquito Netting will be worth a fortune if things like Malaria start up.
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Posted: 3/1/2010 5:47:05 AM EDT
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land and the ability to raise crops or animals on it. everyone needs food.
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Posted: 3/1/2010 6:11:13 AM EDT
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In no particular order
Alcohol Cigarettes Over the counter meds Prescription meds First aid supplies Food Water Toilet paper Gasoline Propane Matches Guns Ammo Mags coffee |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 6:17:01 AM EDT
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Regarding alcohol, I'm not sure the fifth of JW Red would be that useful.
OTOH, airplane bottles of booze could be worth quite a bit more, as it's easier to bargain with small quantities. And i's easier to use for disinfection/medicinal purposes. Speaking of things women would find valuable, birth control - I bet those female condoms might be worth a lot more later than now. Likewise the "morning after" pill - which, as I understand, is simply 2 doses of 2 regular BC pills, taken in rapid succession. Get the GF to get another prescription of the right type, do a mail order to get it 3-4 months at a time, and there's about 20 morning after doses for $8. Oh, and PMS meds - women who need them, NEED them, and that's coming from women I know. |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 7:22:10 AM EDT
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toilet paper, cigarettes and liquor Rolling papers and bulk tobacco yes... TP maybe (takes up alot of space if you want enough to trade... liquor, no, cost and space to store is too valuable. If you were able to make your own in the aftermath with a still as needed then yes.... I would say yes to coffee filter and cans of CHEAP coffee. THe filters will have multiple uses and people won't care how bad the coffee is if they can actually get some. I don't know. When there is nothing left around, I think a bottle or 2 of absolute or Johny Walker Red could get you quite a bit and nicotine addiction is a very strong addiction. A pack of stale Marlboros would look like prime rib to smoker who hasn't seen a cigarette in a couple of days. LOL. I just happen to have a bottle of that in storage that I've been storing for many years. I don't even drink (yeah... I know... hard to believe with my screen name). I've also got a bottle of vodka in storage as well. Though I don't drink (and never have), the wife unit like a glass or two of wine now and them. Guess I should buy her some of that for storage. She also likes coffee in the morning, but every time I suggest we buy some for storage she says "naw, I should quit anyways and that would be a good time". Of course, we all know that will NOT be a good time to go cold turkey. Guess I'd better just "sneak" a large can or two of coffee into the preps as well. |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 7:43:21 AM EDT
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Lack of compassion for my fellow man will allow me to raise a small fighting force, and take what I want. Then when the downtrodden peasants rise up and kill me, probably doped out of my mind on opium sitting in a pit full of the most beautiful females in the land, I'll die happy. Because if it's truly the "End of the world as we know it" who says what rules I should follow? Like one of my buddies says, his bug out kit for TEOTWAWKI is a Glock 19 and three magazines. That will allow him to get whatever he needs. To all the people who disagree, suck it. The brilliance of my plan is, the hungrier you get, the more viable it is. How 'bout you use your pic for your avatar so that when I see you coming across my lawn I can double tap 'ya? 'Cause I won't be following "the rules" either tough guy. The MULE How 'bout you re-read the second line and determine if I'm serious or not. |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 7:53:48 AM EDT
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Things that will make me very rich in the end of the World. Remember, if things are going to go back to "Normal" it's NOT the end of the world.
Alcohol, of any kind. Any drugs that provide escapism Hand crank generator Ladies who practice the worlds oldest profession Ammunition Wide spectrum anti-biotic Crappy guns to trade off Water storage Multiple means to purify water, both to trade, and to create water for trade Alcohol still Water still Based on all that I'd be sitting pretty, the only other lists I need are What I need to KEEP the items that will make me rich, and my personal items. |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 8:04:14 AM EDT
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Lack of compassion for my fellow man will allow me to raise a small fighting force, and take what I want. Then when the downtrodden peasants rise up and kill me, probably doped out of my mind on opium sitting in a pit full of the most beautiful females in the land, I'll die happy. Because if it's truly the "End of the world as we know it" who says what rules I should follow? Like one of my buddies says, his bug out kit for TEOTWAWKI is a Glock 19 and three magazines. That will allow him to get whatever he needs. To all the people who disagree, suck it. The brilliance of my plan is, the hungrier you get, the more viable it is. How 'bout you use your pic for your avatar so that when I see you coming across my lawn I can double tap 'ya? 'Cause I won't be following "the rules" either tough guy. The MULE How 'bout you re-read the second line and determine if I'm serious or not. Any levity brought-about by your second line was quickly dispelled by your last. Were I you, I probably wouldn't consider stand-up comedy as a SHTF "skill" to barter with. 
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Posted: 3/1/2010 8:04:59 AM EDT
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I actually think Madcap72's post will help a lot of people realize that the predators are a lot closer to home than one might think. I think people might want to consider ahead of time just how they will deal with people with his mindset. It will save lives. Actually, it's sort of a moot point. If there ever is a "TEOTWAWKI" situation, so many people are going to die that there won't be an REASON to turn to the dark side. Our country is such a consumer nation, and our supplies are distributed SO horribly, that if everything just stoipped, all you'd have to do is outlive everyone by 2 months and you could pretty much pick up what you want off the ground. |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 8:07:19 AM EDT
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Lack of compassion for my fellow man will allow me to raise a small fighting force, and take what I want. Then when the downtrodden peasants rise up and kill me, probably doped out of my mind on opium sitting in a pit full of the most beautiful females in the land, I'll die happy. Because if it's truly the "End of the world as we know it" who says what rules I should follow? Like one of my buddies says, his bug out kit for TEOTWAWKI is a Glock 19 and three magazines. That will allow him to get whatever he needs. To all the people who disagree, suck it. The brilliance of my plan is, the hungrier you get, the more viable it is. How 'bout you use your pic for your avatar so that when I see you coming across my lawn I can double tap 'ya? 'Cause I won't be following "the rules" either tough guy. The MULE How 'bout you re-read the second line and determine if I'm serious or not. Any levity brought-about by your second line was quickly dispelled by your last. Were I you, I probably wouldn't consider stand-up comedy as a SHTF "skill" to barter with.
Ahhh, but, read the very last line. What would YOU do to keep your family alive? ETA- making a new thread so this one isn't hijacked. |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 9:05:11 AM EDT
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I actually think Madcap72's post will help a lot of people realize that the predators are a lot closer to home than one might think. I think people might want to consider ahead of time just how they will deal with people with his mindset. It will save lives. Actually, it's sort of a moot point. If there ever is a "TEOTWAWKI" situation, so many people are going to die that there won't be an REASON to turn to the dark side. Our country is such a consumer nation, and our supplies are distributed SO horribly, that if everything just stoipped, all you'd have to do is outlive everyone by 2 months and you could pretty much pick up what you want off the ground. This. It it's TEOTWAWKI the whole world is your grocery store... |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 9:11:05 AM EDT
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Quoted: I actually think Madcap72's post will help a lot of people realize that the predators are a lot closer to home than one might think. I think people might want to consider ahead of time just how they will deal with people with his mindset. It will save lives. This is true, and madcap72 speaks reality, whether we like to hear it or not. "The hungrier you get, the more viable it becomes." I've said it before, and I will say it again. Even though people will deny it and say they are better than that, ANY desperate person can become a predator. We prep to avoid desperation. |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 9:26:46 AM EDT
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Even though people will deny it and say they are better than that, ANY desperate person can become a predator. We prep to avoid desperation. I agree that we're not going to REALLY know who is true to their beliefs until the real test comes. I personally think that those who've prepped to try to avoid that test are more well-prepared also to pass that test, when/if it finally comes. Most preppers simply want to be prepared for anything. That includes the hard choices. |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 9:35:05 AM EDT
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I actually think Madcap72's post will help a lot of people realize that the predators are a lot closer to home than one might think. I think people might want to consider ahead of time just how they will deal with people with his mindset. It will save lives. Actually, it's sort of a moot point. If there ever is a "TEOTWAWKI" situation, so many people are going to die that there won't be an REASON to turn to the dark side. Our country is such a consumer nation, and our supplies are distributed SO horribly, that if everything just stoipped, all you'd have to do is outlive everyone by 2 months and you could pretty much pick up what you want off the ground. The more I think about it, Madcap72 is totally correct! So it's back to grub, water and a means to ensure the proceeding won't be taken from me. Thanks 
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Posted: 3/1/2010 6:15:08 PM EDT
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Lack of compassion for my fellow man will allow me to raise a small fighting force, and take what I want. Then when the downtrodden peasants rise up and kill me, probably doped out of my mind on opium sitting in a pit full of the most beautiful females in the land, I'll die happy. Because if it's truly the "End of the world as we know it" who says what rules I should follow? Like one of my buddies says, his bug out kit for TEOTWAWKI is a Glock 19 and three magazines. That will allow him to get whatever he needs. To all the people who disagree, suck it. The brilliance of my plan is, the hungrier you get, the more viable it is. Tag for a reminder of why the IGNORE feature is here. |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 6:21:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/1/2010 6:51:21 PM EDT
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Well back on the subject here...
List of the first 100 items to disappear. http://www.josephprep.com/Provisions/100_items.htm ETA-It's a Y2K list. |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 7:30:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/1/2010 7:32:20 PM EDT
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viable sperm.
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Posted: 3/1/2010 8:03:54 PM EDT
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I give up, what is it. I would guess wood pellets or shelled corn for a stove, but can it really suck that stuff through the hose in the picture? |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 9:16:11 PM EDT
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You could start a condom emporium.
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Posted: 3/1/2010 9:24:33 PM EDT
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In no particular order Alcohol Cigarettes Over the counter meds Prescription meds First aid supplies Food Water Toilet paper Gasoline Propane Matches Guns Ammo Mags coffee It is lists like these that make me wonder if the ultimate BOL wouldn't be a campground! Think of it.. a well-thought-out campground is essentially a small town. It needs a general store (so you can buy all the stuff above at wholesale prices), a gas pump (ditto gas prices), a water supply (so THAT'S the reason I need a 100,000 gallon cistern, Sheriff!), and security forces (There are bears and pumas in the woods, Sheriff, that's why we all carry .45 ACP on our hips, and an 870 on our gocarts!) A campground doesn't need to meet the legal requirements of a town, and, barring overt force, the 'leadership' of the campground cannot be voted out of office. Lastly, the population of this "town" can be evicted at will (Sorry Campers, but there's been a 40 megaton explosion in town, and everyone has to go home!) except for those whom you wish to stay (You over there, the ones that look like NFL cheerleaders, wanna stay?). |
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Posted: 3/1/2010 10:00:29 PM EDT
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I am getting back into blacksmithing. That should keep me nicely supplied fixing crap for people.
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Posted: 3/2/2010 4:34:39 AM EDT
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You could start a condom emporium. A guy in Argentina by the name of Ferfal, who went thru the SHTF situation there posted a brief story about a local there who laid in a stock of rubbers. Not a good idea, folks be real picky about what goes over their tool. |
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Posted: 3/2/2010 1:12:19 PM EDT
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I give up, what is it. I would guess wood pellets or shelled corn for a stove, but can it really suck that stuff through the hose in the picture? It is corn. You can burn it or eat it. I keep 1-2 tons on hand at any given time. It is loaded into my basement via vacuum hose as shown (Ridgid 6.5hp). 
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Posted: 3/2/2010 1:51:21 PM EDT
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I am getting back into blacksmithing. That should keep me nicely supplied fixing crap for people. That is an EXCELLENT hobby to get into. Even I would like to try my hand at it. |
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Posted: 3/5/2010 10:29:43 AM EDT
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Can openers!
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Posted: 3/5/2010 10:36:59 AM EDT
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Salt
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Posted: 3/5/2010 10:38:09 AM EDT
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M&M's. Sold by the each. Eventually you would run out, but you would have a harem the size of most small cities.
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Posted: 3/5/2010 11:35:49 AM EDT
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M&M's. Sold by the each. Eventually you would run out, but you would have a harem the size of most small cities. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile You aren't kidding. It'd be like female viagra...milk chocolate panty remover. |
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Posted: 3/5/2010 2:55:46 PM EDT
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Damm thats one hell of a set up!!! I am impressed! who makes the yard cart by the way Cant make out the name on the side... |
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Posted: 3/5/2010 3:15:24 PM EDT
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Candles and any other source for light. If the power goes out, many people will have difficulty adjusting to a new situation where bedtime is around the time the sun goes down and when it rises in the morning is time to get up. Modern societies have gotten used to being able to light up the night, but without electricity they will have to adapt to a new reality.
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Posted: 3/6/2010 9:46:37 AM EDT
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Good lists, but add fingernail, toenail clippers to it.
I will have a dozen of each before the year is over. Look for the list of the first 100 things to disappear. It was a list from the Bosnian conflict. M |
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Posted: 3/6/2010 11:47:23 AM EDT
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Damm thats one hell of a set up!!! I am impressed! who makes the yard cart by the way Cant make out the name on the side... Looks like it says Otter Jumbo Express. And a quick google search showed that Otter is a ATV trailer maker. Hope that helps. |
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Posted: 3/6/2010 12:16:36 PM EDT
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When the Y2K Scare, aka the "EOTWAWKI that didn't happen", was priming up the months before Y2K actually popped and fizzled, I came to one conclusion. So many people were stocking up and building their huge stockpiles and reserves of food, water, soap, fuel, etc. Many were fortifying their homes and/or provisioning secret mountain hideaways.
Then it hit me...one dreadful & horrible conclusion... The one with the biggest baddest meanest most disciplined private army would win. In some Arnold Schwarzennegger-like voice...."IF YOU CAN'T DEFEND IT, IT WON'T MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE. IT WILL ALL BE MINE"...kept ringing in my head. I'd stock up on ammo, AR's, BMG's, NVG's, MRE's, manuals, and then build a close network of friends & family who will trust you to lead and arm them. |
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Posted: 3/6/2010 12:52:13 PM EDT
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Alcohol - the higher the proof the better. You can always dilute it and booze only improves with age.
Condoms - folks will want these (regardless of brand) after their SO has run out of BC pills. Easy to store, many in a box, can be traded in any quantity and desired by virtually everyone. I'm not for tobacco due to the problem with it going stale. Salt will be a HUGE trade item once people start butchering animals themselves rather than relying on stores for their meat. That said, the meat supply, including game animals, will dry up really fast in a lot of states (including Ohio). After that, only cannibals will have to worry about preserving fresh meat - and I don't want to trade with them! |
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Posted: 3/6/2010 4:42:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: When the Y2K Scare, aka the "EOTWAWKI that didn't happen", was priming up the months before Y2K actually popped and fizzled, I came to one conclusion. So many people were stocking up and building their huge stockpiles and reserves of food, water, soap, fuel, etc. Many were fortifying their homes and/or provisioning secret mountain hideaways. Then it hit me...one dreadful & horrible conclusion... The one with the biggest baddest meanest most disciplined private army would win. In some Arnold Schwarzennegger-like voice...."IF YOU CAN'T DEFEND IT, IT WON'T MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE. IT WILL ALL BE MINE"...kept ringing in my head. I'd stock up on ammo, AR's, BMG's, NVG's, MRE's, manuals, and then build a close network of friends & family who will trust you to lead and arm them. Always the guys with a couple months or a year on the board who proposes this type of stuff. I've been putting stuff up, Learning new skills, figuring out how to do things when no one was around to show me what to do for about 10 years or so now. That rice and beans that is put up in buckets? I can actually make food with it that I enjoy eating. I have a small agrden plot that I plant about 3 seasons out of the year. I try to can anything that I can't use right away. I needed a new belt, so I made one. Cut, shaped, tooled, dyed. I'm also in the process of building a forge for blacksmithing. I'd like to learn to make tools and simple things. I live out in the Country. 20 miles or so outside of town limits. I'm surrounded for miles by aunts, uncles, cousins etc. Most of them have better "preps" just from living the way they do, as farmers and country folk. I know them by name, and have a familial blood connection. I have the prerequisite GD armory with a few 45s, a couple 9s, few ARs, few shotguns, few hunting rifles. And a few 1000 rounds for each one (little short on shells tho). Only 2 roads leading into little area. Both are small rural highways. 2 sides of our little 40 mile or so square is bordered by river. Now having said all that, Why in the hell would I let you get anywhere near my home when TEOTWAWKI happens? You would literally have to hike thru the woods atleast 12 or so miles to even get close. IDK, it's almost as if some people think that being a badass and owning a gun will do things for them. Why not start now and get to a level where you are comfortable with your own preps and don't have to become a douchebag MZB? Now all of the above is moot, if you meant to say you were planning on feeding off the urbanites and apartment dwellers, so be it. Ants and Grasshoppers... |
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Posted: 3/6/2010 5:18:41 PM EDT
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"In some Arnold Schwarzennegger-like voice...."IF YOU CAN'T DEFEND IT, IT WON'T MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE. IT WILL ALL BE MINE"...kept ringing in my head."
It will only be yours if you can find it and take it. 
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Posted: 3/6/2010 5:33:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: When the Y2K Scare, aka the "EOTWAWKI that didn't happen", was priming up the months before Y2K actually popped and fizzled, I came to one conclusion. So many people were stocking up and building their huge stockpiles and reserves of food, water, soap, fuel, etc. Many were fortifying their homes and/or provisioning secret mountain hideaways. Then it hit me...one dreadful & horrible conclusion... The one with the biggest baddest meanest most disciplined private army would win. In some Arnold Schwarzennegger-like voice...."IF YOU CAN'T DEFEND IT, IT WON'T MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE. IT WILL ALL BE MINE"...kept ringing in my head. I'd stock up on ammo, AR's, BMG's, NVG's, MRE's, manuals, and then build a close network of friends & family who will trust you to lead and arm them. Always the guys with a couple months or a year on the board who proposes this type of stuff. I've been putting stuff up, Learning new skills, figuring out how to do things when no one was around to show me what to do for about 10 years or so now. That rice and beans that is put up in buckets? I can actually make food with it that I enjoy eating. I have a small agrden plot that I plant about 3 seasons out of the year. I try to can anything that I can't use right away. I needed a new belt, so I made one. Cut, shaped, tooled, dyed. I'm also in the process of building a forge for blacksmithing. I'd like to learn to make tools and simple things. I live out in the Country. 20 miles or so outside of town limits. I'm surrounded for miles by aunts, uncles, cousins etc. Most of them have better "preps" just from living the way they do, as farmers and country folk. I know them by name, and have a familial blood connection. I have the prerequisite GD armory with a few 45s, a couple 9s, few ARs, few shotguns, few hunting rifles. And a few 1000 rounds for each one (little short on shells tho). Only 2 roads leading into little area. Both are small rural highways. 2 sides of our little 40 mile or so square is bordered by river. Now having said all that, Why in the hell would I let you get anywhere near my home when TEOTWAWKI happens? You would literally have to hike thru the woods atleast 12 or so miles to even get close. IDK, it's almost as if some people think that being a badass and owning a gun will do things for them. Why not start now and get to a level where you are comfortable with your own preps and don't have to become a douchebag MZB? Now all of the above is moot, if you meant to say you were planning on feeding off the urbanites and apartment dwellers, so be it. Ants and Grasshoppers... Be careful dramsey2k4... I've been on and off this board since 1998... I just couldn't remember what my logon and pswd was since I last logged on sometime EARLY 2009...because I'd been way too busy TRYING TO KEEP MY JOB SO I'D HAVE A HOUSE FOR MY WIFE & KIDS... so I created a new ARFCOM logon & pswd. So I'm the veteran... and dramsey2k4 "-the-younger" (Member since 2005 or am I wrong?)...thanks for pointing out my miscommunicated remarks. .... So... if you're heavily defended, then why in the world will I bother to take from you? There will be 100's of easier opportunities to forage, find, and take provisions during the first few months and year or two of EOTWAWKI. I WASN'T AIMING THE REMARKS AT FELLOW ARFCOM'ers! You guys are doing the RIGHT THING BY BEING ON THIS SITE. Its the numbnuts in the cities who believe in a passive citizenry that doesn't need a 2nd Amendment but think storing vast amounts of provisions with no means to defend it is the thing to do! They will be "easy pickin"... So yes...maybe I was proposing "planning on feeding off the urbanites and apartment dwellers"...as you so nicely put it. But the fact remains... if you intend to stay put, someone will eventually find you. And if its a large enough force opposing you, gooooooood luuuuuuuck. Not only do you have to have a large private force, the best or biggest weapons, but you also better have the toughest fortifications. If its a real EOTWAWKI - NO governing authority, aka ANARCHY, then it won't matter what you've got to make you "rich in the aftermath" unless you can defend it. After Europe's "Dark Ages" what society arose? In ancient Asia, before unified China was born, what society existed? In pre-Columbian America, what societal structure existed? Fuedalism...a warrior society, where the aristotocrats were the warrior class. Shoguns, Lords & Knights, Emperors, and so on. Why not study Haiti after the earthquake, and Chile now. Look at other recent past disasters... the looting, violence, pillaging, and desperation. EOTWAWKI isn't going to be pretty... Get used to that "ringing in your head" if you're going to ask any silly question about EOTWAWKI. |
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Posted: 3/6/2010 7:06:43 PM EDT
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And yet as I read this, not one (as far as I saw) said the absolutely one and single technological advancement that is analogous to the scratchplow for humanity.....
....a PVS14 w/GG&G mounting ring for a 1913 rail. With this and about 5 rechargeable AA's and a small solar panel, I rule the night, and frankly the day. The psychological terror alone is devastating, ask an Iraqi. Gen 3 Night Vision is probably our single largest military advantage, and would be an absolutely crushing force multiplier among the masses. Discuss. |
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Posted: 3/6/2010 7:37:04 PM EDT
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And yet as I read this, not one (as far as I saw) said the absolutely one and single technological advancement that is analogous to the scratchplow for humanity..... ....a PVS14 w/GG&G mounting ring for a 1913 rail. With this and about 5 rechargeable AA's and a small solar panel, I rule the night, and frankly the day. The psychological terror alone is devastating, ask an Iraqi. Gen 3 Night Vision is probably our single largest military advantage, and would be an absolutely crushing force multiplier among the masses. Discuss. Ok. I think it wasn't mentioned because it has nothing to do with the overall point of the thread. How's that? |
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Posted: 3/6/2010 9:38:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: And yet as I read this, not one (as far as I saw) said the absolutely one and single technological advancement that is analogous to the scratchplow for humanity..... ....a PVS14 w/GG&G mounting ring for a 1913 rail. With this and about 5 rechargeable AA's and a small solar panel, I rule the night, and frankly the day. The psychological terror alone is devastating, ask an Iraqi. Gen 3 Night Vision is probably our single largest military advantage, and would be an absolutely crushing force multiplier among the masses. Discuss. I LIKE YOUR THINKING. SOLAR PANELS...GREAT IDEA. NEED BATTERIES TO STORE SOME POWER, MAYBE ADD THERMAL IMAGING SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS TO THOSE FORTIFICATIONS WE HAVE TO BUILD TO STORE AND DEFEND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WILL MAKE US "RICH IN THE AFTERMATH". A PVS14...DAMN! HOW'D I FORGET THAT! HEY - SORRY TO ALL ABOUT BLOWING THIS THREAD A DIFFERENT WAY... If I had to chose something that would make me rich in the aftermath, guns, ammo, grenades, firepower, tanks, mortars, PVS/NVG, and fortifications notwithstanding... I would pick... The September 1983 issue of Playboy featuring Barbara Edwards... who became 1984's Playmate of The Year... man, those were the days... OK, seriously... I would pick the latest crop seeds, pesticides, herbicides, the knowledge to produce more seed (so you can sell it), and Reverse Osmosis and Water Filtration equipment. I don't believe anything will stabilize humanity unless it first solves how it can feed itself and obtain clean drinking water in the aftermath, regardless of how many survive. |
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Posted: 3/6/2010 10:12:33 PM EDT
[#47]
I think a steam boiler and sawmill would be the post EOW equivalent to a surface vein of wire gold on quartz. Might as well have a planer too. Turn people's logs into finished lumber, charge 5 or 10% of the product for your service, for your own use or for barter, and burn the scraps and scrubwood for power.
A working windmill and generator, especially one capable of generating power for several homes or tooling setups, would be the post EOW equivalent of a diamond mine today. |
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Posted: 3/7/2010 10:17:12 AM EDT
[#48]
"There will be 100's of easier opportunities to forage, find, and take provisions during the first few months and year or two of EOTWAWKI."
And thousands of other people looking to "take advantage" of those opportunities. They will be your competition for those resources you're talking about killing and stealing for, as well as for any resources you may have. Just remember, for anybody thinking about trying to survive as the "baddest mofo", there's always somebody badder. 
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Posted: 3/7/2010 10:46:29 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: "There will be 100's of easier opportunities to forage, find, and take provisions during the first few months and year or two of EOTWAWKI." And thousands of other people looking to "take advantage" of those opportunities. They will be your competition for those resources you're talking about killing and stealing for, as well as for any resources you may have. Just remember, for anybody thinking about trying to survive as the "baddest mofo", there's always somebody badder. FourDeuce - Please tell me something new. I knew that just thinking 5 minutes about EOTWAWKI. Of course "there's always somebody badder". I DIDN'T SAY I WAS! I'm just saying that the largest most heavily armed and aggressive force would likely win in the aftermath of EOTWAWKI. And BTW - how many people do YOU know who have a large heavily armed, well provisioned, and fortified private army? I don't know a damned one and it sure isn't me or mine! But I can tell you who they are - Drug Lords, Organized Crime Lords, and organized inner city Street Gangs. They number in the 10,000's. So fellow ARFCOMer's, stop bashing me and THINK ABOUT THOSE THUGS who will think nothing of trekking through "120 miles of forest" and more to get at YOU, especially if they're desperate. So tell me something new, propose a more peaceful solution that meets an "EOTWAWKI Reality". But I think that any solution will have a bad ending for years and maybe decades. |
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Posted: 3/7/2010 12:56:31 PM EDT
[#50]
Just can't seem to help this guy.
he knows it all, and we just can't seem to get it.  |
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