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Posted: 1/23/2022 9:48:06 PM EDT
https://atlanticfirearms.com/colt-m4a1-socom-5-56-rifle-le6920socom#
I didn't see it stated anywhere in the ad, but they will only allow one. $1630 shipped. |
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Atlantic is OOS but Sportsmans Fulfillment has them in stock and their shipping is less so the total was actually 5 dollars less for me. I didn't buy from them, I already bought one from Atlantic. I was looking for a buddy.
https://www.sportsmanfulfillment.com/colt-m4a1-socom-rifle-223-remington-16-1-heavy-barrel-with-pinned-flash-hider-30-round-matte-black/ |
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I picked up my rifle today.
I didn't notice it when I was looking the rifle over for the transfer. But my accessories package was opened by someone besides me. I took a closer look and it looks like someone swapped a P&S products vertical grip for my Knight's Armament one. Everything else in the bag looks intact, so that is the only reason I can think of anyone getting in the bag. So either someone at Atlantic or my FFL is a slime bag. If Colt sent them out that way, then I apologize, but something seems fishy to me. |
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^^^^ I can’t say for sure what happened to your bag and it being opened but it has been reported that some US marked socoms have come with either a P&S rail, broom stick, or both.
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Quoted: ^^^^ I can’t say for sure what happened to your bag and it being opened but it has been reported that some US marked socoms have come with either a P&S rail, broom stick, or both. View Quote That is reassuring to hear. I was expecting the magazine to be generic when I saw the bag open but it is a Colt magazine. Maybe mine was the one used for the pictures, which does show the broom stick installed, and that is why the bag was open. |
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Did you at least get a KAC rail on it?
Personally depending on what the intended use is for the rifle, I would be disappointed on the opened bag and to an extent the P&S handle. I would be more disappointed if the rail was P&S. And then some people couldn’t care less about it. |
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Quoted: No, but functionally yes. View Quote This and Colt specifically goes out of their way to say it is a KAC rail on the socoms instead of a “contractor” supplied rail. I would actually be pretty pissed if I bought a Socom and it showed up with a P&S rail. I’d live with a P&S handle but wouldn’t be all that happy about it. Sealed bag would be better though. |
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Quoted: Did you at least get a KAC rail on it? Personally depending on what the intended use is for the rifle, I would be disappointed on the opened bag and to an extent the P&S handle. I would be more disappointed if the rail was P&S. And then some people couldn’t care less about it. View Quote Yeah. The rail is KAC. I really would have been pissed if it wasn't because the description does state KAC rail. |
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One other thing for sure I don't like that Atlantic does. They put their own huge yellow label over the Colt label on the box.
A lot of dealers write a small number or put a small sticker with a number that corresponds to their log book. That can usually be overlooked or even removed before the glue takes hold. The huge sticker Atlantic uses almost completely covers the Colt white label and starts ripping it if you try to peel it off. |
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Quoted: I picked up my rifle today. I didn't notice it when I was looking the rifle over for the transfer. But my accessories package was opened by someone besides me. I took a closer look and it looks like someone swapped a P&S products vertical grip for my Knight's Armament one. Everything else in the bag looks intact, so that is the only reason I can think of anyone getting in the bag. So either someone at Atlantic or my FFL is a slime bag. If Colt sent them out that way, then I apologize, but something seems fishy to me. View Quote Both are the same and are mil spec. My m4a1 has KAC and P&s parts. |
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Quoted: Both are the same and are mil spec. My m4a1 has KAC and P&s parts. View Quote 100% this - they're both used on mil guns and both are proper. As with stickers on boxes - which will get thrown away in my case - I feel that unless it stops the gun from working or is a quality defect, the wee details that some tend to focus on get annoying. |
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Quoted: One other thing for sure I don't like that Atlantic does. They put their own huge yellow label over the Colt label on the box. A lot of dealers write a small number or put a small sticker with a number that corresponds to their log book. That can usually be overlooked or even removed before the glue takes hold. The huge sticker Atlantic uses almost completely covers the Colt white label and starts ripping it if you try to peel it off. View Quote You are not alone, that would bother me a lot too. |
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Quoted: I picked up my rifle today. I didn't notice it when I was looking the rifle over for the transfer. But my accessories package was opened by someone besides me. I took a closer look and it looks like someone swapped a P&S products vertical grip for my Knight's Armament one. Everything else in the bag looks intact, so that is the only reason I can think of anyone getting in the bag. So either someone at Atlantic or my FFL is a slime bag. If Colt sent them out that way, then I apologize, but something seems fishy to me. View Quote Bought mine from a LGS. The bag wasn't sealed, and the broomstick was loose in the box. But it was a KAC. My first SOCOM bought in 2019 had a P&S broomstick. |
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Quoted: 100% this - they're both used on mil guns and both are proper. As with stickers on boxes - which will get thrown away in my case - I feel that unless it stops the gun from working or is a quality defect, the wee details that some tend to focus on get annoying. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Both are the same and are mil spec. My m4a1 has KAC and P&s parts. 100% this - they're both used on mil guns and both are proper. As with stickers on boxes - which will get thrown away in my case - I feel that unless it stops the gun from working or is a quality defect, the wee details that some tend to focus on get annoying. I keep boxes and accessories as much as possible because it demonstrates an ability to properly care for and maintain a product. They also come in handy if you find yourself moving or having to store items. The original packaging is usually designed to protect an item very well. You also never know when you are going to come across someone who considers what you have as collectible, should you have to sell something. I have passed on more than one gun purchase because the seller did not have all the usual goods that come with a firearm when you purchase it new. Why save $50 or $100 when you will have to replace a back up sight and two magazines? Even cardboard boxes stack up better than a loose handgun in the safe. |
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Quoted: I keep boxes and accessories as much as possible because it demonstrates an ability to properly care for and maintain a product. They also come in handy if you find yourself moving or having to store items. The original packaging is usually designed to protect an item very well. You also never know when you are going to come across someone who considers what you have as collectible, should you have to sell something. I have passed on more than one gun purchase because the seller did not have all the usual goods that come with a firearm when you purchase it new. Why save $50 or $100 when you will have to replace a back up sight and two magazines? Even cardboard boxes stack up better than a loose handgun in the safe. View Quote The original box is only worth saving if a person is going to sell the gun (or the box) to a person who values the box (like yourself). That’s it. Otherwise it’s a fire hazard, insect attractant and takes up space. If a gun is stored in a box, it increases the chance of rusting (yes, you can look that up). I see no correlation in a person who keeps the box and if they can "properly care for and maintain a product." I do keep some boxes but I do not store them near my guns. The boxes I keep, ironically and realistically, are of the guns I am not sure about and most likely will part with. |
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Quoted: The original box is only worth saving if a person is going to sell the gun (or the box) to a person who values the box (like yourself). That’s it. Otherwise it’s a fire hazard, insect attractant and takes up space. If a gun is stored in a box, it increases the chance of rusting (yes, you can look that up). I see no correlation in a person who keeps the box and if they can "properly care for and maintain a product." I do keep some boxes but I do not store them near my guns. The boxes I keep, ironically and realistically, are of the guns I am not sure about and most likely will part with. View Quote That's the point. The right buyer values original packaging and will pay more if you have to sell. Proper storage makes all the difference. I've never seen boxes spontaneously combust, they are as bug free as you keep the rest of your house, they actually save space by allowing you to stack rarely used guns, and an ounce of prevention goes a long way in preventing corrosion. Most modern firearms are pretty well finished and only require an occasional mist of your favorite CLP to prevent corrosion. But I bet someone who can't be bothered to keep a product as original as possible, couldn't be bothered to engage in basic maintenance. You can tell a lot about a person based on the things they say, or how they keep themselves or the things they are trying to sell you. I work with a person that has worked every place imaginable and still doesn't have a single standard to live by. They told me when they worked at a butcher shop, they used to take the same ground meat and label it as 90/10, 80/20, 70/30 etc. This is the same person working as a mechanic and couldn't be bothered to put washers under bolt heads until QA called them out on it. They actually think everyone else is as dumb as they are and if it looks done, it is good enough. I actually got another dude that openly performs shady maintenance at work, then tries to sell you an engine he "rebuilt" for a good price. Sure buddy. Show me the boxes. |
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Quoted: The original box is only worth saving if a person is going to sell the gun (or the box) to a person who values the box (like yourself). That’s it. Otherwise it’s a fire hazard, insect attractant and takes up space. If a gun is stored in a box, it increases the chance of rusting (yes, you can look that up). I see no correlation in a person who keeps the box and if they can "properly care for and maintain a product." I do keep some boxes but I do not store them near my guns. The boxes I keep, ironically and realistically, are of the guns I am not sure about and most likely will part with. View Quote In the world of Colt, collectors will pay anywhere from $250 to $1000 more for an AR with the original box and unopened factory accessories/packing material. I understand you not giving two cents if you aren't a collector but you're definitely short changing yourself down the road. |
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Quoted: In the world of Colt, collectors will pay anywhere from $250 to $1000 more for an AR with the original box and unopened factory accessories/packing material. I understand you not giving two cents if you aren't a collector but you're definitely short changing yourself down the road. View Quote 100% agree with this and wish I had kept all my boxes in the beginning. |
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Quoted: In the world of Colt, collectors will pay anywhere from $250 to $1000 more for an AR with the original box and unopened factory accessories/packing material. I understand you not giving two cents if you aren't a collector but you're definitely short changing yourself down the road. View Quote This is correct. A box, accessory pack, and an unmolested rifle will get a premium from me depending on what it is. It’s really no different with a lot of firearms or anything else for that matter that can be considered collectible. |
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Quoted: In the world of Colt, collectors will pay anywhere from $250 to $1000 more for an AR with the original box and unopened factory accessories/packing material. I understand you not giving two cents if you aren't a collector but you're definitely short changing yourself down the road. View Quote Show me a guy who will pay an extra $250-$1000 for a box on a recent production Colt SOCOM. First off, it’s the topic of this thread. Second, HK collectors will pay way more for a P7 matching box. That is a gun that’s been out of production for years. |
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Quoted: Show me a guy who will pay an extra $250-$1000 for a box on a recent production Colt SOCOM. View Quote You kind of answered your own question. Of course the premium for having the extra items isn't going to be immediately recognized. The 2018 model SOCOMs are still in production so nobody should be paying a significant premium right now. But, as is the case with your HK example, once a model goes out of production, values increase significantly with the box and accessories present. |
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Quoted: You kind of answered your own question. Of course the premium for having the extra items isn't going to be immediately recognized. The 2018 model SOCOMs are still in production so nobody should be paying a significant premium right now. But, as is the case with your HK example, once a model goes out of production, values increase significantly with the box and accessories present. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Show me a guy who will pay an extra $250-$1000 for a box on a recent production Colt SOCOM. You kind of answered your own question. Of course the premium for having the extra items isn't going to be immediately recognized. The 2018 model SOCOMs are still in production so nobody should be paying a significant premium right now. But, as is the case with your HK example, once a model goes out of production, values increase significantly with the box and accessories present. This^ The value that the box,tools,etc will ad to the gun over years only goes up. Some early S&W boxes sell along for big money. I keep everything that comes with a gun |
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Quoted: Show me a guy who will pay an extra $250-$1000 for a box on a recent production Colt SOCOM. First off, it’s the topic of this thread. Second, HK collectors will pay way more for a P7 matching box. That is a gun that’s been out of production for years. View Quote It wasn’t very long ago (6-12months) on these “2018” socoms that they were commanding a pretty good premium over msrp since it was unknown if Colt was going to release any more. Boxes and accessories would bring more over a rifle without. Even with socoms recently available, an early stamped version will command a premium for some and certainly more of one with the box and accessories. Problem with Colt is you never know when they are going to stop producing something. |
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Quoted: It looks like Arms Unlimited got their batch. Only $1899. View Quote They did and haven’t really had a problem selling at that price. From the time I first looked at them on the site 45 rifles have sold in a little over 12 hours. Someone else reported they had started with around 100 early yesterday, they now have 17 left 24 hours later. |
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