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Posted: 11/24/2022 4:46:31 PM EDT
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Any chance you would do a production run of the SNACH profiled for 9mm?
The bolt end can’t be tapered so it does not interfere with the top of the 9mm bolt carrier group. I’ll even stop by the shop to see if it fits Edit : @Green0 |
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That is an interesting idea. We will consider it.
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Great. I’m even willing to come out and fit test it and range test one.
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This is being done but parts will probably be 2 months to get listed as they need to be machined and anodized prior to marketing dept photos etc.
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Awesome. I look forward to putting one to use.
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Any update on the new charging handle?
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It is in production. Sorry for the lead time on it.
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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No problem.
I’ll check back end of March |
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Any updates on availability?
@Green0 |
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Any updates on availability? I would love to get one in June if they are ready.
@Green0 |
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Could you shoot me an e-mail. austin@ Griffin armament ?
I can just tell the people to send you one if they are available (and I don't know if they are available). Obviously this hasn't gone well and been worth your time. Alcoa/Arconic really screwed us around on availability of the latch member stock (it isn't a large enough extrusion for them to care about). I don't know the status but if I have an e-mail I can check up on it, and if they are here I should be able to send you one. I don't know the status and it's late at night. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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@DSB The arconic/alcoa delay was 15 total months on delivery of the extrusion stock for latch members for the charging handles. Those parts are 7075-T6 aluminum on account of a need for strength and durability of the components, and that relegates it to them or Big Kaiser, which we were considering, right around the time Arconic came through on delivery. Very few extrusion houses push 7075. Most push 6061. We machine those from extrusion to keep the cost down. They would have to be more expensive if we machined the latches from blocks of plate.
We have 5400 handles made, but they need latches. That situation I was sort of late in notice of as other people here handle purchasing of logistical items. We'll be happy to send you one when they are back from anodizing. I would imagine we could send some to anodizing soon as they are being machined now. We have stock for 7400 sets, but I think we should probably order stock again since it is likely to take a long time to be delivered. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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I’m interested in two if / when you produce them. How do I get on your list?
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The reason for giving this guy one is because we're way behind schedule due the Arconic delivery delay on the order. He suggested the product. I don't have a notification list. I'll try to remember to post here when the product is available.
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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So what are the advantages of these products?
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Death to quislings.
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Originally Posted By backbencher: So what are the advantages of these products? View Quote The Suppressor normalized ambidextrous charging handle is Ambidextrous, easy on the hands, and has a gas port for reducing blowback into the shooters face and eyes. The 9mm version just replaces the heavy duty reinforced nose with a std Ar15 charging handle nose, that can interface an Ar15 in 5.56mm or 9mm. Hence the 9mm SNACH name. They both work on DI guns, but the 9mm version will work on a colt 9mm bolt carrier with the long obstructing key which the Ar15 version of our handle won't work with. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Originally Posted By Green0: The Suppressor normalized ambidextrous charging handle is Ambidextrous, easy on the hands, and has a gas port for reducing blowback into the shooters face and eyes. The 9mm version just replaces the heavy duty reinforced nose with a std Ar15 charging handle nose, that can interface an Ar15 in 5.56mm or 9mm. Hence the 9mm SNACH name. They both work on DI guns, but the 9mm version will work on a colt 9mm bolt carrier with the long obstructing key which the Ar15 version of our handle won't work with. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Green0: Originally Posted By backbencher: So what are the advantages of these products? The Suppressor normalized ambidextrous charging handle is Ambidextrous, easy on the hands, and has a gas port for reducing blowback into the shooters face and eyes. The 9mm version just replaces the heavy duty reinforced nose with a std Ar15 charging handle nose, that can interface an Ar15 in 5.56mm or 9mm. Hence the 9mm SNACH name. They both work on DI guns, but the 9mm version will work on a colt 9mm bolt carrier with the long obstructing key which the Ar15 version of our handle won't work with. Where is the gas port? |
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Death to quislings.
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Originally Posted By Green0: The 3/16" gas port is in front of the right side paddle, goes to the .3125" ball milled bottom slot in the handle, and there is a .02" gas check groove on the top of the handle. The gas port is somewhat deflected forward by the right side latch member, or is otherwise at 90 degrees to the receiver on the ejection port side. View Quote OK, so not fer sinisters, but pretty clever. |
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Death to quislings.
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I'm sorry, I can see the groove is in the bottom of the handle- it is visible in the tactical link photo, and there is a deep .200 shelf on the upward side to deflect gas upward and forward. So the whole thing is pretty well protected.
The handle works well. It won't prevent ejection port barrel bore gas from poorly designed suppressors blowing into the vicinity of the firers face, but it will prevent the stuff coming through the back. Our whole lineup of cans has been designed to mitigate backpressure pretty well at this point and we are improving that all the time. Suppressors have come a long way since 2005 when we started making them. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Originally Posted By backbencher: So what are the advantages of these products? View Quote I have no affiliation with Griffin besides using their products (paid for out of pocket, not some sort of industry hook up). The SNACHs I use in my 5.56 rifles are fantastic. Granted I also have tuned gas systems on all my rifles but that being said, I haven’t gotten any gas blowback from one of my personal rifles in years…I can’t even remember when. The SNACHs have a very solid and quality feel to them, large enough handles that you can get purchase but not so big they dig into you when slung. There is a texture to the handle for grip but not so coarse that it bites when doing fast manipulation and the edges are rounded, not pointed or curved which could lead to gear snags. I bought my first SNACH very soon after they went live and have purchased several since. |
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Originally Posted By 11B3XCIB: I have no affiliation with Griffin besides using their products (paid for out of pocket, not some sort of industry hook up). The SNACHs I use in my 5.56 rifles are fantastic. Granted I also have tuned gas systems on all my rifles but that being said, I haven’t gotten any gas blowback from one of my personal rifles in years…I can’t even remember when. The SNACHs have a very solid and quality feel to them, large enough handles that you can get purchase but not so big they dig into you when slung. There is a texture to the handle for grip but not so coarse that it bites when doing fast manipulation and the edges are rounded, not pointed or curved which could lead to gear snags. I bought my first SNACH very soon after they went live and have purchased several since. View Quote Thanks for the feedback and your business. The handle will not eat your hands like a USGI. That's probably one of the nicer things aside from being able to manipulate lefty. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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I wanted to conduct a complete, but un-scientific comparison of the AR9 SN-ACH. As a charging handle the SN-ACH line is a smooth operating CH. Engagement is secure and smooth to operate. Also please note that as Austin stated, different suppressors will result in different back pressures and that will also influence the performance of the charging handles.
Rifles tested, 1)AR-15 with 11.5” barrel in 5.56mm and Hearing Protection M4-SD, 2)AR-15 with 5.0” barrel in 9mm and Silencerco Octane 9 HD attached by three lug QD. 3)AR-15 with 4.5” barrel in 22LR and Hearing Protection Checkmate attached by GemTech 22 QDA 1)I ran the 5.56mm with a typical charging handle and an AR15 SN-ACH. The AR15 SN-ACH redirected some gas as expected. It does allow more rounds to be fired while suppressed before the gas become annoying. 2)I then ran the 9mm with the AR9 SN-ACH. It reduced the amount of gas in the shooters face by quite a bit. Since there is much less gas in a 9mm round, the results were much better than the 5.56mm. The bolt catch on the last round results in a lot of gas in the face while suppressed, but obviously that is to be expected. Performed as expected on the 9mm. Less gas was felt, and shooting was more enjoyable. 3)I also ran the AR9 SN-ACH on a CMMG 22LR. The baseline charging handle was the CMMG 22 ARC Anti-Jam Charging Handle. Gas escaped while shooting suppressed and did become annoying after 8-9 rounds with the CMMG CH. A CMMG 22LR BCG will not close with AR15 SN-ACH due to the same interference with the nose reinforcement. It ran great with the AR9 SN-ACH. The AR9 SN-ACH vents enough gas from the 22LR that no gas was felt while shooting suppressed. As one would expect, the best performance was with the 22LR. Less gas produced resulting in more of it being vented away from the shooter. Overall, the AR9 SN-ACH worked well with the 9mm platform and amazingly with the 22LR platform. It is a great option for those shooting either a 9mm or 22LR suppressed that want to reduce the felt gas while shooting. The only down side is, now I will have to buy another one to live with the 22LR’s. |
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Originally Posted By DSB: I wanted to conduct a complete, but un-scientific comparison of the AR9 SN-ACH. As a charging handle the SN-ACH line is a smooth operating CH. Engagement is secure and smooth to operate. Also please note that as Austin stated, different suppressors will result in different back pressures and that will also influence the performance of the charging handles. Rifles tested, 1)AR-15 with 11.5” barrel in 5.56mm and Hearing Protection M4-SD, 2)AR-15 with 5.0” barrel in 9mm and Silencerco Octane 9 HD attached by three lug QD. 3)AR-15 with 4.5” barrel in 22LR and Hearing Protection Checkmate attached by GemTech 22 QDA 1)I ran the 5.56mm with a typical charging handle and an AR15 SN-ACH. The AR15 SN-ACH redirected some gas as expected. It does allow more rounds to be fired while suppressed before the gas become annoying. 2)I then ran the 9mm with the AR9 SN-ACH. It reduced the amount of gas in the shooters face by quite a bit. Since there is much less gas in a 9mm round, the results were much better than the 5.56mm. The bolt catch on the last round results in a lot of gas in the face while suppressed, but obviously that is to be expected. Performed as expected on the 9mm. Less gas was felt, and shooting was more enjoyable. 3)I also ran the AR9 SN-ACH on a CMMG 22LR. The baseline charging handle was the CMMG 22 ARC Anti-Jam Charging Handle. Gas escaped while shooting suppressed and did become annoying after 8-9 rounds with the CMMG CH. A CMMG 22LR BCG will not close with AR15 SN-ACH due to the same interference with the nose reinforcement. It ran great with the AR9 SN-ACH. The AR9 SN-ACH vents enough gas from the 22LR that no gas was felt while shooting suppressed. As one would expect, the best performance was with the 22LR. Less gas produced resulting in more of it being vented away from the shooter. Overall, the AR9 SN-ACH worked well with the 9mm platform and amazingly with the 22LR platform. It is a great option for those shooting either a 9mm or 22LR suppressed that want to reduce the felt gas while shooting. The only down side is, now I will have to buy another one to live with the 22LR’s. View Quote Glad we could finally get you the part. Sorry about the long delays that were well in excess of the manufacturing estimates. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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