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Posted: 5/22/2020 10:28:52 PM EDT
Initial thoughts based on the description, specs, price?
https://geissele.com/super-combat-sling-1-5-w-alg-qd-forged-sling-swivels.html#color=137 |
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[#2]
Not for almost 200 bucks sorry , ill stick with vickers or slingster
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[#6]
I'll just wait for a sale. There's no reason these should be almost $200 when quality slings like the Vickers and Ferro slingsters are only $50, minus the QD ends.
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[#8]
Maybe they need the revenue from the slings to restock everything else?
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[#9]
Thats gonna be a no from me dog....however, if they would actually have the sling swivels in stock they would sell them. I once waited close to 6 months for a ddc sling swivel. I had ordered a sling that only came with one, and needed a second. It's a quality product, I really have to question why products are never in stock. No one is panicking sling swivels....
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[#11]
Someone is getting too big for their britches with that kinda pricing.
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[#14]
I may be completely wrong here, but looking at the pictures of this sling, the fabric reminds of the early Magpul slings when when Magpul first entered the sling market. I think they called it the MS1, and that fabric was horribly weak. As soon as it touched Velcro hook, it started to fray and turned into a weak mess. It very well not be the same, but it looks like it. However, I do know for a fact that the fabric used on the BFG Vickers sling is incredibly and does not fray. I've been using the same BFG Vickers 2-point Padded Sling on my issued weapon since 2013 and it is still 100% functional and shows very little fraying and wear. The problem is that I will never know for sure what the Geissele "Super" sling is all about because I'm not paying two times more for it than I paid for a BFG Vickers sling. Hey Geissele, if you're so confident in this sling that you are willing to charge two times that of a Vickers Padded Sling, send me one for some T&E and I'll post here how it performs and holds up. You can PM me here for shipping information.....waiting.
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[#15]
@GACS any info you could provide us with pertaining to why the price is so high for your sling. Materials , advantages compared to other slings , hardware, etc?
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[#16]
I am very interested as to why this product exists. Many people handled them at SHOT range days, and didnt even know it. That is not a glowing review for something that costs 2-400% more than what those people were used to.
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[#17]
I'm sure it's high quality, but I fail to see how it's worth 2-3 times what a Vickers or VTAC or Slingster costs. Price seems to have jumped the shark in a big way.
IMO Geissele should stick with what they do best, and not attempt to be all things to all people. I don't need a Geissele sling or a Geissele scope or Geissele shoes and underwear, which at this rate will probably be the next release in the Geissele line. |
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[#19]
Quoted: @GACS any info you could provide us with pertaining to why the price is so high for your sling. Materials , advantages compared to other slings , hardware, etc? View Quote Because they can't sell it cheaper to civilians than they sell it to the .gov. They are 100% chasing after your tax dollars and don't actually give a shit about the civilian market. |
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[#21]
Seems like the big difference is that these have forged 7076T6 instead of plastic for the hardware. If something is tugging hard enough on my rifle to allow the plastic/ metal l hardware on a Vickers sling to break you are probably better off having the sling fail then have it pull you into whatever is going on.
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[#22]
Quoted: I tend to agree with you there the new colt View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Because they can't sell it cheaper to civilians than they sell it to the .gov. They are 100% chasing after your tax dollars and don't actually give a shit about the civilian market. I tend to agree with you there the new colt Colt M4s are ridiculously cheap. |
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[#24]
The more I see they crying, the more I want to build a BCA/Anderson AR and put one of these slings on it.
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[#26]
Way to many quality options for much cheaper.
Seems like they are trying to get a hand in every pot to get that $. Just like the optics |
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[#27]
Quoted: LMAO, let's see if GACS replies tomorrow. View Quote I cant wait to hear @GACS explain why there sling is 3-4 times as expensive as their competitors. The colt comment was about how there company is starting to treat there civi customers not the price of there rifles. Edit: there you go |
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[#28]
Quoted: I cant wait to hear @GACS explain why there sling is 3-4 times as expensive as there competitors. The colt comment was about how there company is starting to treat there civi customers not the price of there rifles. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: LMAO, let's see if GACS replies tomorrow. I cant wait to hear @GACS explain why there sling is 3-4 times as expensive as there competitors. The colt comment was about how there company is starting to treat there civi customers not the price of there rifles. I'm not normally a grammar nazi but please at least try to use the proper their. The price of it actually isn't all that much over a padded Vickers sling, if factoring in the cost of the ALG swivels. The black one is posted at 32 dollars per swivel on the ALG page, figure an even 40 or so for the DDC setup. Would bring the 80 dollars Vickers Padded sling (Metal hardware) up to 160, just about to the point of the Geissele setups. The sling solo though, with no ALG swivels, is unquestionably priced high. Probably an effort to push people to the swiveled setups. |
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[#29]
Sorry there teach auto correct is a bitch .
I just bought a slingster with qd attachments for 80 bucks. |
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[#30]
Quoted: Sorry there teach auto correct is a bitch . I just bought a slingster with qd attachments for 80 bucks. View Quote Auto correct is indeed a bitch. I'm well aware that you can get good/quality slings for cheap/cheaper than the Geissele setup. Most individuals were/are comparing it to the Vickers Padded, which if you break down what you're getting with the ALG sling swivels does come close. |
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[#31]
Fair enough , then let me ask are the alg sling swivels really that much nicer than the qd swivels i got from foward control design? Also it sounds like in the description that you have to set up your own pull tab with 550 cord to adjust the sling.
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[#32]
We know the price on the sling is high. we are working on a less expensive variant that will compete price wise with other slings out there. most of the hardware on the sling is made in house, and unfortunately some of them especially the buckle is a pretty complex part to machine. the qd swivels are very expensive to produce as well, the bails come from forgings we have made for us. between these parts here the cost to produce is quite high, were working on bringing that down.
the sling does work great, the para cord is included to make a sling loop but it is not totally necessary. i personally find it easier to use with it, but the slider works great even without it. |
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[#34]
Quoted: We know the price on the sling is high. we are working on a less expensive variant that will compete price wise with other slings out there. most of the hardware on the sling is made in house, and unfortunately some of them especially the buckle is a pretty complex part to machine. View Quote What makes this complex hard to machine buckle superior to any of the existing designs that justifies the increased cost? |
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[#35]
Quoted: Because they can't sell it cheaper to civilians than they sell it to the .gov. They are 100% chasing after your tax dollars and don't actually give a shit about the civilian market. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Because they can't sell it cheaper to civilians than they sell it to the .gov. They are 100% chasing after your tax dollars and don't actually give a shit about the civilian market. Quoted: What makes this complex hard to machine buckle superior to any of the existing designs that justifies the increased cost? for one thing, it looks to be aluminum, casting? forging? billet? i don't know, but as far as I can tell, it's not molded polymer/nylon, not stamped sheet metal either... |
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[#36]
Im sure some will bite but why price yourself out of the market. I just dont see spending double to get a sling with medal hardware . Ive been using slings for years and never had a plastic buckle break , ive had a few qd swivels cam out the qd sockets of a rail. To me thats the weak link not the hardware on the sling.
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[#37]
Quoted: for one thing, it looks to be aluminum, casting? forging? billet? i don't know, but as far as I can tell, it's not molded polymer/nylon, not stamped sheet metal either... View Quote That doesn't answer the question of what makes it superior. Why market a more expensive hard to manufacture item of it doesn't substantially improve upon existing products? In what way does that serve the end user beyond costing them more? |
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[#38]
Quoted: We know the price on the sling is high. we are working on a less expensive variant that will compete price wise with other slings out there. most of the hardware on the sling is made in house, and unfortunately some of them especially the buckle is a pretty complex part to machine. the qd swivels are very expensive to produce as well, the bails come from forgings we have made for us. between these parts here the cost to produce is quite high, were working on bringing that down. the sling does work great, the para cord is included to make a sling loop but it is not totally necessary. i personally find it easier to use with it, but the slider works great even without it. View Quote What a joke. Take the in house resources you used for this overpriced sling and....oh I don’t know.....Produce out of stock parts that your customers actually want. |
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Quoted: I'm sure it's high quality, but I fail to see how it's worth 2-3 times what a Vickers or VTAC or Slingster costs. Price seems to have jumped the shark in a big way. IMO Geissele should stick with what they do best, and not attempt to be all things to all people. I don't need a Geissele sling or a Geissele scope or Geissele shoes and underwear, which at this rate will probably be the next release in the Geissele line. View Quote This. It seems G is following the Sig trend of putting their name on everything they can. Sig watered down their name so hard, I hope Geissele does not follow suit. The G strap is not a good sign. |
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[#40]
I personally think G needs a public relations dept specialist. Someone that they can bounce ideas off of. For years their website has crashed during sales. Then the BF debacle and subsequent machine gun announcement. Then selling rifles before fulfilling BF orders, to now giving out 35% off coupons only to find that the products people want are out of stock.....and now this sling? Maybe its time to step back, punt the ball and go back to the basics.
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Quoted: I personally think G needs a public relations dept specialist. Someone that they can bounce ideas off of. For years their website has crashed during sales. Then the BF debacle and subsequent machine gun announcement. Then selling rifles before fulfilling BF orders, to now giving out 35% off coupons only to find that the products people want are out of stock.....and now this sling? Maybe its time to step back, punt the ball and go back to the basics. View Quote A hard reset. Turning it off and back on again wouldn’t hurt. ?? I’ve been waiting MONTHS for some parts to pop back up to finish builds. MONTHS. |
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Quoted: A hard reset. Turning it off and back on again wouldn’t hurt. ?? I’ve been waiting MONTHS for some parts to pop back up to finish builds. MONTHS. View Quote I still have my 35% coupon. What I need isn't in stock and probably won't be. I may end up giving it to someone who wants to buy a rifle. |
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Quoted: I personally think G needs a public relations dept specialist. Someone that they can bounce ideas off of. For years their website has crashed during sales. Then the BF debacle and subsequent machine gun announcement. Then selling rifles before fulfilling BF orders, to now giving out 35% off coupons only to find that the products people want are out of stock.....and now this sling? Maybe its time to step back, punt the ball and go back to the basics. View Quote He's doing better than he ever has, he's fine. That's not to say he couldn't be doing better. But everyone could be. |
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[#45]
Glad I got to use my coupon last week on a 11.5 super duty upper in grey. Patience paid off.
Now to get a Mk7 and maybe even this sling for no reason |
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[#46]
I suspect this isn't actually meant to be sold to civilians, but to government agencies who have an incentive to blow their budget on whatever they can so they have an excuse to ask for the same or larger budget the following fiscal year.
Organizations that operate off of tax revenue don't have the same incentive to be frugal and smart with their budget the same way civilians and private sector companies do. I think it's the same deal with those Government charging handles. Did the FBI really have a need for a new version of the ACH with slightly more rounded corners? Or were they just making up an excuse to spend their leftover budget on something and have special cupcake charging handles? Otherwise, this thing better be able to do my taxes and cook breakfast at $200 when the Vickers sling, which is widely considered to be the standard for slings in the same way Geissele is considered the standard for triggers, costs less than $50. |
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[#47]
I have decided that if the parts I have been watching for months don’t come back in stock by 8/1, I’m using my coupon to get this sling.
Do I win? Or does Geissele? |
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[#48]
Has anyone bought one? I have not seen any pictures of one in the wild.
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