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I think either A. they have many gov’t contracts that have priority or B. our demand has been there e.g. this forum, but it’s really a small niche and not massive demand for them to fully roll the G rails out etc. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I literally have not built an AR-10 because I can't find a DD 12.0 AR Lite Rail OR a G MK-SomethingOrAnother rail. I don't get why G doesn't make these knowing SO many people want them! I'll go buy an Armalite AR-10 the day these are up for pre-order! Seriously, though, I think you hit the nail on the head. Between gov contracts, retail sales of existing product lines, relatively small scale demand, and the sheer variety of 308 platforms and their differences, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to roll them out unless those factors change. |
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Quoted: This is Arfcom. Get both! Seriously, though, I think you hit the nail on the head. Between gov contracts, retail sales of existing product lines, relatively small scale demand, and the sheer variety of 308 platforms and their differences, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to roll them out unless those factors change. View Quote |
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I disagree. Right now Geissele rails are at the forefront of the industry. I think they have enough of a cult following that they could set the trend much like Magpul with M-Lok, which essentially killed key mod. If Geissele chose to make a DPMS high, no one would continue making DPMS low, or vice versa. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: This is Arfcom. Get both! Seriously, though, I think you hit the nail on the head. Between gov contracts, retail sales of existing product lines, relatively small scale demand, and the sheer variety of 308 platforms and their differences, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to roll them out unless those factors change. |
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How many do they need to sell to justify making these?
1000? 10000? 100000? At what point do y'all tell yourselves "this is the amount to sell to make product X"? With the following here, you're guaranteed 1000+ units sold simply through this site. I would think more like 5000 easily. Thats roughly 1750000$ in sales, if they sold for 375$. Im sure 500000 would go to materials, machinist salary, and power to run the machines, that leaves 1250000 PROFIT. Not sure what the problem is......... Yall just gonna let a dead guy's dream die like that? |
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How many do they need to sell to justify making these? 1000? 10000? 100000? At what point do y'all tell yourselves "this is the amount to sell to make product X"? With the following here, you're guaranteed 1000+ units sold simply through this site. I would think more like 5000 easily. Thats roughly 1750000$ in sales, if they sold for 375$. Im sure 500000 would go to materials, machinist salary, and power to run the machines, that leaves 1250000 PROFIT. Not sure what the problem is......... Yall just gonna let a dead guy's dream die like that? View Quote I doubt we have 1000 guys with SR25s on here that would want them. 5000? I wish Then, you assume the margins are higher than what they are, because you don’t take into the consideration prior obligations and contracts, machine downtime to retool and fixture, program tooling and square and zero everything, check tool offsets etc, and the time that it is down to do that is time that machine isn’t producing and the operator is occupied, then also consider how fast 1000 can be made, and then the downtime to convert that machine back over to what it was doing before, which in many situations may be a less expensive product with more demands and bigger margins. TLDR If it was a viable production product that wouldn’t cause a loss, it would have already happened |
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Planning out a DPMS 308 build. Are these a never gonna happen then?
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Just in case some people haven't seen this.
This may bee a sign... http://soldiersystems.net/2018/03/23/2018-usasoc-sniper-comp-geissele/#comment-1053835 |
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A big part of the hold up, I suspect, is the differences between upper receivers on the market. Specifically, upper receiver contours where the anti rotation tabs go. I've seen a number of ostensibly DPMS/LR-308/SR-25 pattern uppers that interferes at those locations, and that presents G with a marketing and CS nightmare of being unable to tell the buyer which it will work on, and pissy customers who can't fit their rails onto their new receiver.
On the other hand, I suspect an ALG .308 rail would be much easier to engineer and would have far less fit issues. It'd be damn lightweight, too. |
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A big part of the hold up, I suspect, is the differences between upper receivers on the market. Specifically, upper receiver contours where the anti rotation tabs go. I've seen a number of ostensibly DPMS/LR-308/SR-25 pattern uppers that interferes at those locations, and that presents G with a marketing and CS nightmare of being unable to tell the buyer which it will work on, and pissy customers who can't fit their rails onto their new receiver. On the other hand, I suspect an ALG .308 rail would be much easier to engineer and would have far less fit issues. It'd be damn lightweight, too. View Quote |
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I still disagree. This may be a turning point for the market. If Geissele does release the M110 improved upper(the previous link I shared), you may see the market swing to the "milspec" SR25 pattern. I really think Geissele is on par with Magpul' s ability to influence the market.
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I think I posted this exact thing about a year ago on this same thread. We need an ALG V1 or V3 with some tolerance slop on the tabs, that even monkeys aren't afraid to do some fitting on, in order to work with the variety of .308 uppers that are out there. File + patience + elbow grease = everyone happy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A big part of the hold up, I suspect, is the differences between upper receivers on the market. Specifically, upper receiver contours where the anti rotation tabs go. I've seen a number of ostensibly DPMS/LR-308/SR-25 pattern uppers that interferes at those locations, and that presents G with a marketing and CS nightmare of being unable to tell the buyer which it will work on, and pissy customers who can't fit their rails onto their new receiver. On the other hand, I suspect an ALG .308 rail would be much easier to engineer and would have far less fit issues. It'd be damn lightweight, too. |
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[#22]
The solution is quite simple
Make the two 308 rails Geissele already makes: 1. SR-25 2. Armalite Illinois Pattern Do not offer rails for DPMS or warranty rails installed on DPMS or other aftermarket garbage. |
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The solution is quite simple Make the two 308 rails Geissele already makes: 1. SR-25 2. Armalite Illinois Pattern Do not offer rails for DPMS or warranty rails installed on DPMS or other aftermarket garbage. View Quote |
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Jebus.
Pays to keep tabs on these threads. Love the mk1.5, look forward to getting my grubby mitts on one for the SR. Tagged, subscribed, pee'd on. |
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Make sure not to forget about Mega & CMT; total garbage
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Getting back to the thread, a rail would be nice but a complete VSASS URG would be even more betterer
For what they would cost, I'd probably have to sell my truck, but after I rolled up to range in a 94 civic and pulled a GSASS out of the trunk I probably wouldn't care |
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Getting back to the thread, a rail would be nice but a complete VSASS URG would be even more betterer For what they would cost, I'd probably have to sell my truck, but after I rolled up to range in a 94 civic and pulled a GSASS out of the trunk I probably wouldn't care View Quote Yea might have to postpone our quarterly vacation for a VSASS URG. |
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Come on!! Make them SR25/AR10 spec. That would cover that massive majority of the large frame market. If they make billet receivers too fat, tough shit. Just like the AR15 rails.
These would sell plenty. Machine time, tool set, all that crap is accounted for. Its not that bad AFTER they get the RD done and have a good system. Sure, getting that system organized takesz effort, time and money. Which is part of the investment. Those are just bullshit excuses in my eyes. I really think there would be more than enough buyers to get this thing truly rolling. If they actually made it, and told us they have it, it would sell. No problem. They probably wouldnt be able to keep them in stock |
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View Quote I had one....but it was stolen and I never even got to play with it. |
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My MATEN reciever set is still patiently waiting for a handguard. Fingers crossed for next year.
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Up for air. Wouldn't want the big G man to think we don't want these anymore.
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I really wish I had ordered one of the overrun rails. I held off because I thought they would be coming out with the MLOK version. So much for the saying "good things come to those who wait"...
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I don't get why it would be SO hard to make a 308 AR-10 rail that works for everyone?
I have an Armalite AR-10 with a Daniel Defense 762 Lite Rail. I bought it off a guy who had it on a DPMS AR-308, came with a DPMS barrel nut. I mounted it on an AERO AR-308 without issues, uses DPMS pattern threading, mounted up just fine and was the correct height. This rail was manufactured years ago. Then I ended up putting it on my Armalite AR-10 after Joe from DD sent me an "Armalite" barrel nut. Mounted right up on the Armaite AR-10 also with the correct barrel nut. The height was perfect on that too. I see DD made two versions. Originally it was called the AR-10 Lite Rail which came with an Armalite barrel nut. This was for a contract that Armalite and Colt were trying to get is my understanding. Then they released one marked 762 Lite Rail and with that one you could buy Armalite, DPMS or LAR 308 barrel nuts. Both rails were the same height and were all backward compatible with each other, you just had to make sure you had the right barrel nut. Why doesn't G make THAT setup and then maybe an SR-25 rail if it's yet different? That should cover everything. Actually is they do like DD did and make one and offer those 3 barrel nuts, thats going to cover MOST AR 308 and AR-10 builds. |
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Why doesn't G make THAT setup and then maybe an SR-25 rail if it's yet different? That should cover everything. Actually is they do like DD did and make one and offer those 3 barrel nuts, thats going to cover MOST AR 308 and AR-10 builds. View Quote DPMS high, SR-25, and AR-10 all use the same rail with the AR-10 having a slightly different thread pitch on the barrel nut. One rail with two barrel nut options would make a lot of people happy. |
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We’ll see a G308 rail about the same time the nfa is repealed
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almost 6 years to the day this started and still no 308 rails. We just want to give you guys some money lol
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Posted: 7/23/2013 2:09:40 AM EDT
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Initial length will be 12.5" with offerings for the SR-25/AR-10 and LR-308/R-25 type rifles to follow. Some minor mods need to be done along with getting some feedback on field samples before production models are run. Cost has not yet been determined. That's about all we have for now. JB Geissele Automatics View Quote |
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This thread is getting really long and very sad...
Hey Geissele , what do we as consumers need to do in order to give you money to make these? 1000 people petition? 500 people preorder? What can we do? |
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What's so damn funny? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/188814/IMG_7765_JPG-1030100.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/188814/IMG_7766_JPG-1030101.JPG View Quote This thread is now seriously little more than clickbate of legendary proportions. |
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