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Posted: 7/17/2020 11:52:16 AM EDT
Just jumped into the whole Plan-A system (for my 2 36Ms) with your 223 & 30 cal Ti Minimalist Brakes and would LOVE more lightweight options like a 3-prong Minimalist 3-Prong FH or similar.
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[#1]
MOAR TITANIUM!!!
But seriously. If anybody can do more titanium MDs, it’s you guys. Titanium Stealth Flash Hiders please. Titanium PLAN-As. Titanium all of it. |
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[#2]
Thanks. Glad you like the Plan A.
We have one titanium muzzle device that we need to run again sometime soon. I think it's the minimalist brake in 1/2x28 and 5/8x24. It seems like the the slightly more premium pricing of titanium parts really drops volume of sale aggressively. |
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Quoted: Thanks. Glad you like the Plan A. We have one titanium muzzle device that we need to run again sometime soon. I think it's the minimalist brake in 1/2x28 and 5/8x24. It seems like the the slightly more premium pricing of titanium parts really drops volume of sale aggressively. View Quote No way to add a Titanium run of the Minimalist Stealth Flash Hider in 1/2x28 and 5/8x24 too??? I'd buy 2 of each upon release! Please oh please?? |
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I have the titanium 1/2x28 brake on a 4lb build and I LOVE it. Its one of the lightest 5.56 brakes on the market and definitely the lightest can mount, outside of direct thread. I just wish there was a titanium Plan A to go along with it. The Plan A is awesome, but a little hefty. I think Q Plan B has you beat there, but the cherry bomb makes up the difference.
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[#5]
Totally agree on the Titanium PLAN-As.
Would buy 3 on release day. |
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We don't have titanium in the right stock size here to make the Plan A's in titanium.
I threw together a design for a lightweight Plan A in 17-4 that adds .335" in length, and it actually allowed the 17-4 on both interfaces to have more like ideal properties and it would drop .6 ounces, Granted the titanium adaptor could be made in 6AL4V to drop it another .4 ounces but with the added cost and lower durability of titanium. The original reason to go with the design we did was based on a desire to keep the appearance of the part conventional so it didn't have poor acceptance from looking strange before people got a chance to try it. I talked to the sales guys and they didn't see a point to making a move right now. I think that makes sense since we have two plan A models, and a packed production schedule. |
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Quoted: We don't have titanium in the right stock size here to make the Plan A's in titanium. I threw together a design for a lightweight Plan A in 17-4 that adds .335" in length, and it actually allowed the 17-4 on both interfaces to have more like ideal properties and it would drop .6 ounces, Granted the titanium adaptor could be made in 6AL4V to drop it another .4 ounces but with the added cost and lower durability of titanium. The original reason to go with the design we did was based on a desire to keep the appearance of the part conventional so it didn't have poor acceptance from looking strange before people got a chance to try it. I talked to the sales guys and they didn't see a point to making a move right now. I think that makes sense since we have two plan A models, and a packed production schedule. View Quote @Green0 The bulk of the PLAN-A's weight is from the endcap/collar - have my Charlie and Bravo versions in my hands right now. This is the piece I've wondered if it could be made out of Titanium. However, you would definitely know best. I'm not sure how Titanium would fare with the wrench cutouts/slots too. Not sure if it would deform/mar heavily when wrenched. |
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As far as machining more MDs out of titanium, such as the Minimalist Stealth Flash Hider in particular, I would see that as a slam dunk.
I'd buy a bunch in 1/2x28 and 5/8x24 and I know others would too. |
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Quoted: As far as machining more MDs out of titanium, such as the Minimalist Stealth Flash Hider in particular, I would see that as a slam dunk. I'd buy a bunch in 1/2x28 and 5/8x24 and I know others would too. View Quote Same. This would get me into the Griffin system for sure vs direct thread which is what I currently use due to weight. |
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We're always trying to balance new product vs production of what we have, and right now production of line support items is pretty highly ranked. We're working that objective as priority one. Taper mount flash suppressors are in production today, that's the motion on line support for today.
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Any ETA on titanium minimalist coming back in stock?
Also how much length does the minimalist add? Trying to decide if getting one pinned at 16” is worth it or just thread it on the end of a 16”. |
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Quoted: Any ETA on titanium minimalist coming back in stock? Also how much length does the minimalist add? Trying to decide if getting one pinned at 16” is worth it or just thread it on the end of a 16”. View Quote Their website states the overall length is 1.34” subtract 0.625” of the thread length and you get 0.715” added length. That being said, I can say that it does extend backwards past the shoulder of the barrel, so total added length is probably 0.675”. It’s absolutely not worth cutting your barrel to 15.425” and having it pinned and welded. I would like to request the titanium version be brought back. Hell, right now I’d be happy with steel, but titanium would of course be better. |
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Quoted: Their website states the overall length is 1.34” subtract 0.625” of the thread length and you get 0.715” added length. That being said, I can say that it does extend backwards past the shoulder of the barrel, so total added length is probably 0.675”. It’s absolutely not worth cutting your barrel to 15.425” and having it pinned and welded. I would like to request the titanium version be brought back. Hell, right now I’d be happy with steel, but titanium would of course be better. View Quote Thanks for that, I’ve been out of school long enough that I don’t do math anymore |
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Apparently so have I. I just realized it should be 15.375”, not 15.475. I blame it on being too old to be posting after 9:30pm.
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[#15]
I’ll pay up front right now if it would bump up another run of the titanium minibrakes. Or the standard one for that matter in 5/8x24.
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[#16]
The titanium stuff just can't be a priority right now because we are killing ourselves to just have taper mount devices in stock and keep silencers shipping. We know it's something some people want back, and we need to make some whenever it slows down and we can do it without fragging lead times on other stuff we can barely keep up on.
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[#17]
Have things settled down enough to entertain some more titanium?
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[#18]
They are getting closer. We have nearly caught up, but the fall could bring an uptick in sales. If it doesn't we'll probably make something at some point.
We haven't caught up in 4 years, but this could be the first time in 4 years possibly if we get there. |
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Quoted: They are getting closer. We have nearly caught up, but the fall could bring an uptick in sales. If it doesn't we'll probably make something at some point. We haven't caught up in 4 years, but this could be the first time in 4 years possibly if we get there. View Quote PLEASE Do! TI mini-FHs! |
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I appreciate your positive feedback. Ill keep the titanium in mind maybe we can do something eventually.
We are manufacturing a lighter plan a mount that is also .725” length additive, and features stylistic machining and spanner notches for the omega wrench. But that is still 17-4. I think they may be pvd finished rather than nitride. |
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Quoted: I appreciate your positive feedback. Ill keep the titanium in mind maybe we can do something eventually. We are manufacturing a lighter plan a mount that is also .725” length additive, and features stylistic machining and spanner notches for the omega wrench. But that is still 17-4. I think they may be pvd finished rather than nitride. View Quote Any plans for a Ti Mini-FH? Is it something to do with the tangs being Ti? Something technical? Or strictly financial? |
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We’re a little slow in manufacturing right now. Im considering it. We have been doing a lot of suppressor r&d and working a few projects so thats been keeping us busy.
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[#27]
That's a good point, probably not since the gas doesn't impact anything, but I guess a few sparks could happen.
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[#28]
If anyone has a video of a titanium flash suppressor that would be advantageous to answer this sparking debate prior to attempting this in the event we do. It would be nice to at least have a reasonable expectation of this not being a waste of time.
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Quoted: If anyone has a video of a titanium flash suppressor that would be advantageous to answer this sparking debate prior to attempting this in the event we do. It would be nice to at least have a reasonable expectation of this not being a waste of time. View Quote Did you see this thread? https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/titanium-flash-hider-sparking-/118-758804/ You’d think if a Ti FH sparks a Ti Brake would spark too. I’ve never seen any of my Griffin Ti Brakes spark. I say DO IT! I’ll buy a bunch! Both calibers! |
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Quoted: I appreciate your positive feedback. Ill keep the titanium in mind maybe we can do something eventually. We are manufacturing a lighter plan a mount that is also .725” length additive, and features stylistic machining and spanner notches for the omega wrench. But that is still 17-4. I think they may be pvd finished rather than nitride. View Quote So that would be halfway between Plan A and Plan A XL? Any eta on that? Will other taper adapters be discontinued? |
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Quoted: So that would be halfway between Plan A and Plan A XL? Any eta on that? Will other taper adapters be discontinued? View Quote The xl might get phased out if the “L” works well. The flash suppressor stuff I guess suggests possible function for open three prong units. Closed tine would obviously spark badly. |
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[#32]
Russia is the biggest exporter of Ti. If we hadn't put a boycott on them, I am sure the Ti price would be a lot more reasonable.
Putin Ti price hike, as potato in chief would say. |
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Quoted: So does this mean the project’s a go? View Quote We’ll try to do it. Its tough as we’re staying busy and getting ready for a military range day coming up in a week or so. I just got the new plan A L model running. Im working on a dual lock for rev,res, optimus, rugged, silencer co. Today I got sidetracked working on reducing the flash of the flash comp. We near totally eliminated it, but we’re going to have to evaluate the recoil control tomorrow, as it got low concussion and more forward venting. |
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Quoted: We’ll try to do it. Its tough as we’re staying busy and getting ready for a military range day coming up in a week or so. I just got the new plan A L model running. Im working on a dual lock for rev,res, optimus, rugged, silencer co. Today I got sidetracked working on reducing the flash of the flash comp. We near totally eliminated it, but we’re going to have to evaluate the recoil control tomorrow, as it got low concussion and more forward venting. View Quote Great stuff! Thanks for all you do! |
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Quoted: Great stuff! Thanks for all you do! View Quote Thanks- we try to improve everything whenever possible. I think unfortunately that new flash comp model is maybe a year out as we have a year of inventory on the product. It became more of a flash suppressor and less of a brake. Still has two baffles for mitigation of baffle wear. Muzzle rise is still reduced or eliminated. Our last move was to increase recoil reduction a little, but with low flash geometry, there is only so much recoil reduction we can get. That means a little more rightward motion during firing as the recoil reduction is what reduces that anatomical leverage happening when recoil pushes on a right handed firer’s right shoulder. We assume people are going to want to shoot right and left shoulder, so we don’t bias the device to support one shoulder. |
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Quoted: So no AK Slant Brakes… View Quote Well it isn't a dumb idea to say right handed is the right way to shoot, but the tactical crowd wants to use cover and shoot right and left shoulder and then what? You have extra lateral recoil left handed that probably isn't ideal. I did test the Flash Comp and Tac Comp as well as the new flash comp for sound today on the 11.5" MK1. The taper tac comp ear noise was 13DB over A2. The flash Comp was 10DB over A2. The new flash comp design dropped 3DB ear and 2DB muzzle. At that point 2DB over muzzle A2, and 6DB over Ear. I wouldn't be able to guess that though. The newer design flash comp has no pressure at all. The old design kind of has a pressure I can feel in my forehead. The Tac comp is worse. It's crazy to see 3DB making that big of a difference. It's 70% more sound. |
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Quoted: Well it isn't a dumb idea to say right handed is the right way to shoot, but the tactical crowd wants to use cover and shoot right and left shoulder and then what? You have extra lateral recoil left handed that probably isn't ideal. I did test the Flash Comp and Tac Comp as well as the new flash comp for sound today on the 11.5" MK1. The taper tac comp ear noise was 13DB over A2. The flash Comp was 10DB over A2. The new flash comp design dropped 3DB ear and 2DB muzzle. At that point 2DB over muzzle A2, and 6DB over Ear. I wouldn't be able to guess that though. The newer design flash comp has no pressure at all. The old design kind of has a pressure I can feel in my forehead. The Tac comp is worse. It's crazy to see 3DB making that big of a difference. It's 70% more sound. View Quote Thats interesting. I use a reamed out taper Tac Comp as a loudener on my PCC, as well as a Plan A mount for a hybrid can. I tried a reamed out Paladin brake, and it worked really really well, but it would spit on the dude holding the timer sometimes with my shitty ammo. I was surprised to find that they had an effect on recoil. Everyone always says thats not a thing with a PCC. |
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The Paladin actually sends gas backward, it is a very effective recoil reducer.
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[#41]
I shot a titanium minimalist flash suppressor today in the dark. I only shot it three times, but it appeared to spark about 50% less on the second shot, and 50% less than that on the third.
It seemed to be burning off burrs that would eventually be gone. Im sure tiodize as well as carbon will help a bit. |
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Quoted: I shot a titanium minimalist flash suppressor today in the dark. I only shot it three times, but it appeared to spark about 50% less on the second shot, and 50% less than that on the third. It seemed to be burning off burrs that would eventually be gone. Im sure tiodize as well as carbon will help a bit. View Quote Awesome! Is it dimensionally identical to it’s popular steel Bro? |
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Yes it is dimensioned identically to the minimalist model in 17-4.
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