User Panel
Posted: 2/6/2022 4:28:22 PM EDT
We have a bunch of lines, and people have suggested we explain the lines, so in lieu of adequate videography support this is an explanation in words for now.
The Sportsman line was an early generation lightweight suppressor developed about 9 years ago. It is user serviceable, lighter around 12 ounce weight, and appeals to hunters. Except for .338, and serviceable, the new G2 Explorrs will do this better for hunters. The Gate lok cans go back 14 years and are intended for the AR15 community- they feature locking mounts, incredible durability and performance, but are a little heavier like a military class product. We have tier 1 units from allied countries running them today. The GP series cans were intended as value minded cans. The GP direct threads afford wrench flats, pre drilled for pin and weld one stamp non sbr short barrel applications, and socket wrench front caps for under rail installation capabilities. These are one baffle shy of recce 7 and Recce 5 stacks, and have high performance to value relationships like the Recce series. The GP-Nato is intended to afford attachment to US, and European metric A2’s for end users wanting a high performance can capable of interfacing what are now probably $12 mounts installed on timing shim sets. The Recce family is a precision taper mount version of the Gate lok cans, intended originally as ideal suppressors that could be run on carbines by sniper teams en route to hide sites, and then also capable of supporting sniper rifles at the hide, reducing kit weight. The Recce 5 of course doesn’t do that, but is the 5.56mm companion to the Recce 7 and its original conceived purpose was for ideal suppressors for supporting light infantry woodland reconnaissance patrol missions. The recce series was price dropped in response to the SIG SRD series, and then R&D developed to provide market leading performance in the mod 4 versions, creating unmatched value. The Paladin series was originally the precision taper mount Recce series with user serviceable front caps and baffles. The series began with titanium baffles to counter the weight of the cap system and now has a different baffle altogether in 17-4 that is better suited to user disassembly than the current Recce mod 4 baffles. The explorr G2’s are intended as next generation suppressors bringing super light weight with durability for all practical shooting senarios. They offer lower short sprint durability but similar or higher sustainable rates of fire. The Bushwhacker is a user serviceable and universal suppressor intended to suppress all firearms in a collection of a consumer customer from rimfire to pistols to rifles up to .454 caliber. The Revolution pistol series was the first user configurable pistol silencer in the USA affording ability to have flagship and K capabilities in one purchase. These are also 7075 tubed and have modular accessory mounts affording fitness for many purposes and applications up to .308 sporting use 7-10 rounds and air cool taking advantage of high strength 7075 aluminum. The Resistance pistol cans are no frills basic kiss concept pistol suppressors. The Optimus was the first to market pistol can configurable for shooting on a rifle marketed and intended to fulfill a universal caliber role 9mm and below. It is a user serviceable option capable of shape shifting to a variety of consumer applications 9mm pistol caliber, or .308 rifle caliber and below. The Optimus micro is a rimfire suppressor built to be 5.56mm versatile and durable to afford a more rimfire size product that could also allow end users more versatility. The Resistance .22lr was designed to be our lightweight, short rimfire can, also affording 5.56mm sporting use with the addition of our minimalist taper mount. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Thanks for the detailed explanation.
Can you define what the sprint durability is? |
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Sprint durability is the ability to rapidly put down a number of rounds without harming a can. It usually favors heavier built silencers, which often cool slower, so the trade for being able to fire 350+ rounds in five minutes, is typically a heavier silencer that doesn’t cool for 30 minutes and has also sustained rof limitations (offsetting practical durability gains) due to reduced cooling speed that somewhat reduce the attraction of the sprint durability.
The sprint is a category of pretty impractical use. It is basically a person joy riding a can or testing its limits to give himself confidence for some senario he can’t really even rationally imagine. A lighter silencer with excellent thermal management might be able sustain a similar rate of fire to that of a much heavier silencer by virtue of wanting to cool in more like ten minutes from temperature. That ability to get cool faster might make for a more enjoyable experience (safe rifle sooner/ability to leave the range earlier), and the lack of ten ounces of weight up front could considerably reduce the fatigue of a shooter who has to carry his firearm all day, in ways that can promote his ability to rapidly acquire and engage targets after a grueling task like marching 25 miles. So militarily, survivability and lethality could be considerably enhanced with the lighter suppressor. In a hunting sense, lighter weight could mean less lost opportunities. That trophy deer you kick up after walking all day, will get away if the fatigue is such you can’t get the rifle on target in time to take a shot. As a kid I hunted a m1A supermatch once and had that experience where the 19 lb rifle kind of wasn’t quite fast enough to get stable and take a nice 12 pointer. [Sometimes half the fun of a hunt for a kid is carrying a rifle he enjoys.] In Iraq I got to feel the anxiety of carrying a 21lb sage EBR m14 with ir laser, scope, 20rd mag, sling, optics bipod, and surefire flashlight on 115F foot patrols in the city. The worry of the gun not being fast enough is in your head playing mental games with you when you are walking uniformed in a 3d multi-story building shooting gallery with an insurgent enemy known for hit and run surprise attacks. That was just a poorly outfitted issue rifle for mobile work. The platoon sergeant liked the 7.62 capabilities but the SPR was a much better urban DMR rifle at around 13lbs fully outfitted and loaded. So there are different qualities in play. This phenomenon is probably hard to understand, but cooling is important. I experimented with heavy wall gas tubes once, and they had a need for certain areas to be ~3/16” diameter to interface the bcg and the carrier key. They would fail earlier than standard tubes because the heavy area would stay hot, and then the magazine change and firing would pump heat into the thin wall area and cut them where the .250 wall transitioned to the std wall. Aka the heavy wall area was stronger but not cooling rapidly and keeping the thin wall adjacent itself hotter than normal. The normal tube cools very fast so during a mag change it is dropping heat all over. We were seeing 290 rd full auto failures of the heavy tube, and 350+rd failures of the std tube under very rapid mag changes. Obviously a stronger at high temperature std thickness tube is a better path to a more survivable tube. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Appreciate you.
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Does the GP5 use Eco-Flow baffles? Your website says patented baffles, but doesn't specify EF.
When is the Explorr G2 coming out? I have the 6.5 version, wondering if it's worth the time to replace |
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Originally Posted By norfizzle: Does the GP5 use Eco-Flow baffles? Your website says patented baffles, but doesn't specify EF. When is the Explorr G2 coming out? I have the 6.5 version, wondering if it's worth the time to replace View Quote The GP5 has the same type of baffles as the recce 5, just one less baffle. The Explorr G2, has been out since last fall. It is lighter and more quiet, but maybe not critical for replacing it. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Originally Posted By Green0: We have a bunch of lines, and people have suggested we explain the lines, so in lieu of adequate videography support this is an explanation in words for now. The Sportsman line was an early generation lightweight suppressor developed about 9 years ago. It is user serviceable, lighter around 12 ounce weight, and appeals to hunters. Except for .338, and serviceable, the new G2 Explorrs will do this better for hunters. The Gate lok cans go back 14 years and are intended for the AR15 community- they feature locking mounts, incredible durability and performance, but are a little heavier like a military class product. We have tier 1 units from allied countries running them today. The GP series cans were intended as value minded cans. The GP direct threads afford wrench flats, pre drilled for pin and weld one stamp non sbr short barrel applications, and socket wrench front caps for under rail installation capabilities. These are one baffle shy of recce 7 and Recce 5 stacks, and have high performance to value relationships like the Recce series. The GP-Nato is intended to afford attachment to US, and European metric A2’s for end users wanting a high performance can capable of interfacing what are now probably $12 mounts installed on timing shim sets. The Recce family is a precision taper mount version of the Gate lok cans, intended originally as ideal suppressors that could be run on carbines by sniper teams en route to hide sites, and then also capable of supporting sniper rifles at the hide, reducing kit weight. The Recce 5 of course doesn’t do that, but is the 5.56mm companion to the Recce 7 and its original conceived purpose was for ideal suppressors for supporting light infantry woodland reconnaissance patrol missions. The recce series was price dropped in response to the SIG SRD series, and then R&D developed to provide market leading performance in the mod 4 versions, creating unmatched value. The Paladin series was originally the precision taper mount Recce series with user serviceable front caps and baffles. The series began with titanium baffles to counter the weight of the cap system and now has a different baffle altogether in 17-4 that is better suited to user disassembly than the current Recce mod 4 baffles. The explorr G2’s are intended as next generation suppressors bringing super light weight with durability for all practical shooting senarios. They offer lower short sprint durability but similar or higher sustainable rates of fire. The Bushwhacker is a user serviceable and universal suppressor intended to suppress all firearms in a collection of a consumer customer from rimfire to pistols to rifles up to .454 caliber. The Revolution pistol series was the first user configurable pistol silencer in the USA affording ability to have flagship and K capabilities in one purchase. These are also 7075 tubed and have modular accessory mounts affording fitness for many purposes and applications up to .308 sporting use 7-10 rounds and air cool taking advantage of high strength 7075 aluminum. The Resistance pistol cans are no frills basic kiss concept pistol suppressors. The Optimus was the first to market pistol can configurable for shooting on a rifle marketed and intended to fulfill a universal caliber role 9mm and below. It is a user serviceable option capable of shape shifting to a variety of consumer applications 9mm pistol caliber, or .308 rifle caliber and below. The Optimus micro is a rimfire suppressor built to be 5.56mm versatile and durable to afford a more rimfire size product that could also allow end users more versatility. The Resistance .22lr was designed to be our lightweight, short rimfire can, also affording 5.56mm sporting use with the addition of our minimalist taper mount. View Quote TLDR. Jesus, no wonder people are building their own cans. With that many different brand lines you should open a separate brand, like GM or Hyundai did. Do you have any modular cans that screw together baffle by baffle? |
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Let's go Brandon!
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Ok, so yes on the Eco Flow, looking at the Recce 5 page. Looking forward to my approval, hope eForms go way more quickly than all the paper I've submitted in the past.
I purchased the Explorr 6.5 back in 2020, so before G2 was available. I like it. Thanks for the response! |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: TLDR. Jesus, no wonder people are building their own cans. With that many different brand lines you should open a separate brand, like GM or Hyundai did. Do you have any modular cans that screw together baffle by baffle? View Quote No screw together cans, thats a Q patent. I don’t see the point of shamelessly ripping off the formula for tolerance stacking and baffle strikes like so many other companies are doing. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Originally Posted By norfizzle: Ok, so yes on the Eco Flow, looking at the Recce 5 page. Looking forward to my approval, hope eForms go way more quickly than all the paper I've submitted in the past. I purchased the Explorr 6.5 back in 2020, so before G2 was available. I like it. Thanks for the response! View Quote Thanks for your business. I think you’ll really like the Recce 5. Its toward the leading edge of technology available today. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Originally Posted By Green0: No screw together cans, thats a Q patent. I don’t see the point of shamelessly ripping off the formula for tolerance stacking and baffle strikes like so many other companies are doing. View Quote Ah, thanks for the link. That's quite an attractive system for carry. Please post up if you ever license that. |
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Death to quislings.
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So where do the "DUAL-LOK" suppressors fall?
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Originally Posted By GreatDane: So where do the "DUAL-LOK" suppressors fall? View Quote Dual-Lok suppressors, are suppressors for people who either: A. Are show me people, AKA unable to have faith in a taper mount retaining the suppressor. B. Are paranoid and want locking, rigid systems. C. Like mechanical complications and sophistication of retention mechanisms. D. Are part of agencies or organizations requiring locking active retention devices. The suppressors are lighter like Explorr, but slightly more durable, and including the locking mounts. I have to say I kind of like them, even though I know taper mounts work. I like the coarse threads, and the locking system with the slightly easier removal of the suppressor once it is cool. The business appearance, etc. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Originally Posted By Green0: Dual-Lok suppressors, are suppressors for people who either: A. Are show me people, AKA unable to have faith in a taper mount retaining the suppressor. B. Are paranoid and want locking, rigid systems. C. Like mechanical complications and sophistication of retention mechanisms. D. Are part of agencies or organizations requiring locking active retention devices. The suppressors are lighter like Explorr, but slightly more durable, and including the locking mounts. I have to say I kind of like them, even though I know taper mounts work. I like the coarse threads, and the locking system with the slightly easier removal of the suppressor once it is cool. The business appearance, etc. View Quote Will a Dual-Lok mount work with an Explorr suppressor? |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Which is your quietest can at the muzzle that can shoot 30 cal?
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I don’t know off the top of my head. There are several cans with similar performance in the line. Most of the options are oriented around a practically useful level of performance and generally don’t go over length to provide performance beyond that point. We make them as quiet as we can inside a practical footprint.
I would say the dual lok 7, recce 7 mod 4, and psr 7 would be the higher performance options. The psr has some muzzle frp due to being over the barrel and having a lot of oxygen to burn. The recce 7 is the most quiet in subsonic 30 cal applications (though full disclosure I haven’t actually tested the psr-7 in subsonic, and that probably will outperform the DL7 it is most related to), The dual-lok 7 has a really nice tone in supersonic, as does the psr after the first round. An example would be that the dual lok 7 is 7”oal, and provides sound performance approximately matching the 14” m110 suppressor, and beating it at the shooters ear location. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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@greeno
What taper mount would you recommend for a 18" 6.5 Grendel DMR'ish setup? I will be using the Recce 7 on it. Thanks |
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If you’re ok with brakes the single port brake might be offered in 6.5, or the Paladin Im pretty sure is.
The brakes help optimize suppressor performance. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Let me know when you can upgrade a Gen 1 Recce 5!!
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Fuck Cancer. Love you Pop.
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Originally Posted By voodochild: Let me know when you can upgrade a Gen 1 Recce 5!! View Quote I'm an engineer more or less- not an expert in everything NFA. We have a compliance person here who is more in tune with compliance, and sometimes we call the NSSF for opinions from experts who are in good communication with the ATF because the NSSF makes that their job. I think the largest issue with us doing anything with it would require re-marking. I think those were marked on top of the tubeless baffle stack. I believe it is OK to remark information on guns. I know occasionally we buy a post sample that has shitty engraving, and while we can just barely read that, we aren't comfortable with it, so we re-mark the info somewhere else in order to make the mark more legible and more conforming to the rules regarding marking. In that process we didn't obliterate a mark, we simply made a more indelible and readable mark in another location. I don't know if we can mark on say the rear section of the Recce 5, cut the baffles off, and weld new baffles in their place. That would be using part of the existing tube, but not the part that the mark is on. If I could find clarification that was ok as a repair process, we could probably do that. Our current tubeless cans are not marked on top of the baffles, so we don't have this issue if we need to repair them. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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Originally Posted By Green0: I'm an engineer more or less- not an expert in everything NFA. We have a compliance person here who is more in tune with compliance, and sometimes we call the NSSF for opinions from experts who are in good communication with the ATF because the NSSF makes that their job. I think the largest issue with us doing anything with it would require re-marking. I think those were marked on top of the tubeless baffle stack. I believe it is OK to remark information on guns. I know occasionally we buy a post sample that has shitty engraving, and while we can just barely read that, we aren't comfortable with it, so we re-mark the info somewhere else in order to make the mark more legible and more conforming to the rules regarding marking. In that process we didn't obliterate a mark, we simply made a more indelible and readable mark in another location. I don't know if we can mark on say the rear section of the Recce 5, cut the baffles off, and weld new baffles in their place. That would be using part of the existing tube, but not the part that the mark is on. If I could find clarification that was ok as a repair process, we could probably do that. Our current tubeless cans are not marked on top of the baffles, so we don't have this issue if we need to repair them. View Quote @Green0 my SN is more towards the middle if you look at the current picture of your Recce 5 on the site it is right below the top part. Attached File Ok my drawing isn't in the correct spot. It's below the seam that separates the bottom form the top portion. |
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Fuck Cancer. Love you Pop.
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The guys here are saying re-marking is not an option if the old mark is removed in the process. I have to take their word for it as I don't know.
@voodoochild 30% of MSRP warranty replacement could be applied if you want to get a new model product, so if it's worth a stamp and 30% it's something you can do. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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So I'm looking for a can for my 10.5 sbr. It sees training and some spirited shooting. Would the explorr 2 be out of place? Looking for something reasonably short and light.
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Originally Posted By nait86: So I'm looking for a can for my 10.5 sbr. It sees training and some spirited shooting. Would the explorr 2 be out of place? Looking for something reasonably short and light. View Quote If spirited shooting is more than 80 rounds in an initial minute, it would probably make sense to buy something like our M4SD cans. The tubeless explorr cans can take about 60 rounds full auto, followed by about 24 rounds per minute sustained for 8-10 magazines before cooling. Thats running those hard. They cool really fast, but even that has limitations. I would also recommend brake mounting a 10.5. |
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Austin, Managing Partner - www.GriffinArmament.com
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That's assuring. If I need more than that I really should've made better life choices as a civilian.
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