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did the scratch the 7.62 X 39 option?
also, does bushmaster make some parts for remington guns? the lower handguard portion is being made under the bush master name. |
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Oh, those vids are so bad ass. Hope my local dealer comes back from SHOT with good news.
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The Battlestar Galactica music got old after a while but other than that, very cool videos.
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Someone should email Remington, and ask them if civilians will be able to buy the ACR with the Remington name stamped on it.
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Someone should email Remington, and ask them if civilians will be able to buy the ACR with the Remington name stamped on it. let us know what they say. |
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The Battlestar Galactica music got old after a while but other than that, very cool videos. There is a mute button, I used it.... |
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I emailed the remington military division, and I have some bad news.
Here is what they had to say. No, that will be a Fed/military offering only.
That is the answer I got when I asked if civilians would be able to buy the Remington ACR without select fire. |
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So Bushmaster and Remington will both be building and marketing their own separate ACR's?
I don't see how Remington could keep their distributors from selling them to civilians though, just like the 870 Police line. |
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So Bushmaster and Remington will both be building and marketing their own separate ACR's? I don't see how Remington could keep their distributors from selling them to civilians though, just like the 870 Police line. I think that just the remington marked guns will be mil/leo. Like said multiple times throughout this thread, both companies are owned by cerberus and it would cost more for R&D, tooling, etc... if made independently by both companies. My guess is they'll both be the same |
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So Bushmaster and Remington will both be building and marketing their own separate ACR's? I don't see how Remington could keep their distributors from selling them to civilians though, just like the 870 Police line. I think that just the remington marked guns will be mil/leo. Like said multiple times throughout this thread, both companies are owned by cerberus and it would cost more for R&D, tooling, etc... if made independently by both companies. My guess is they'll both be the same Hmmmm, I hope you're right. I would like a Bushmaster ACR built to the same spec as the Remington. I would rather have a Remington but beggars can't be choosers. This begs the question tho. Does Remington and Bushmaster build their weapons in separate facilities? If so would it not cost more money to increase tooling to have Bushmaster stay on spec with the rising modifications that Remington is making for the Mil/Leo version? Just speculating here. |
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I spoke with someone indirectly related the the project and he said the Bushmaster version will be offered in black, with the option of a folding stock and the railed forearm. He said there were some minor differences between the Bushmaster & Remington versions but, would not elaborate on them...
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Bushmaster's ACR update on their website says the weapon will be released sometime in the first half of 2010.
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Bushmaster's ACR update on their website says the weapon will be released sometime in the first half of 2010. Mid year Christmas present for me. |
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Bushmaster's ACR update on their website says the weapon will be released sometime in the first half of 2010. Mid year Christmas present for me. Exactly! But only if the Bushmaster version is the same as the Remmy minus the select fire. |
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Just wish they made the HG longer like the original Masada For the one hundredth time...... Magpul said they will be making the polymer hg's . |
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will it be avaliable in all three calibers from distributors. hopefully i'll be able to buy one from the start in 6.8. dont want to have to buy an extra 6.8 bolt and barrel to replace a 5.56 if thats what it will be distributed in. also, what kind of magazine options are there for 6.8 and 6.5. maybe magpul will make pmags specially for those calibers on this rifle
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No-one that's talking knows, no-one that knows is talking. It's probably going to be all over SHOT Show, which is about a month away.
I think there was some confusion over the 6.5mm being listed on the website, and would not hold my breath on that one. 6.8 SPC seems a safer bet (being a Remington cartridge), but 5.56x45mm will probably be the only caliber available immediately. With either 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel, you're probably looking at aluminum or steel mags (and the Grendel mags would probably have to come from Alexander Arms). PMAGs, at least, are a no-go: the cartridges are both too wide to make for an acceptably strong polymer magazine, IIRC what Magpul has stated in the past. |
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Soooo glad i clicked on this thread today |
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I want one. Oh yea, that gun she is holding is nice as well ;-) |
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I'd like to put my barrel in her receiver |
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I'd like to put my barrel in her receiver Hey hey....c'mon guys, thats my wife. Show a little respect please. |
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I'd like to put my barrel in her receiver Hey hey....c'mon guys, thats my wife. Show a little respect please. Really? Wow!!! No......I was only kidding. |
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I'd like to put my barrel in her receiver Hey hey....c'mon guys, thats my wife. Show a little respect please. Really? Wow!!! No......I was only kidding. I was going to say. If thats your wife and you're still posting here instead of doing whatever it is she wants you to do.... |
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I WANT, I WANT, I WANT, I WANT..................DAMN IT, GIVE ME MY ACR!
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The following was posted in the BM section today;
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Speaking of updates. I called Bushmaster today. Here is what I am told: 1) The rifle will be ready by mid 2010 for civilians. 2) They can't tell me will it use AR15 barrels or will it use propriatory barrel. 3) They "replaced all the plastic parts with real metal", as a result,the price will be.... $2400 for basic model. For money like this, I am buying, MSAR E4 and two conversion kits. 4) I dunno were they smoking crack when they told me that, or did they think to make a joke and see how quick it will end up on the internet. But thats what I was told today. That puts the rifle above SCAR and HK416 in price. WAAAYY too rich for my blood. I think that for modular rifle I will purchase an MSAR E4 or whatever else comes out. For 2400 dead presidents, the rifle should also already come with M203 underbarrel grenade launcher Just passing it along..... |
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Wasn't that the same guy who was talking about how the ACR was a waste and about how the AR-18 was so much better?
I'll wait until I hear something official before I believe something posted by some troll on the internet. |
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Wasn't that the same guy who was talking about how the ACR was a waste and about how the AR-18 was so much better? I'll wait until I hear something official before I believe something posted by some troll on the internet. Yep. Our resident ACR hater. Also awaiting for offical word. |
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Speaking of updates. I called Bushmaster today. Here is what I am told: 1) The rifle will be ready by mid 2010 for civilians. 2) They can't tell me will it use AR15 barrels or will it use propriatory barrel. 3) They "replaced all the plastic parts with real metal", as a result,the price will be.... $2400 for basic model. For money like this, I am buying, MSAR E4 and two conversion kits. 4) I dunno were they smoking crack when they told me that, or did they think to make a joke and see how quick it will end up on the internet. But thats what I was told today. That puts the rifle above SCAR and HK416 in price. WAAAYY too rich for my blood. I think that for modular rifle I will purchase an MSAR E4 or whatever else comes out. For 2400 dead presidents, the rifle should also already come with M203 underbarrel grenade launcher Just passing it along..... Quoted:
Wasn't that the same guy who was talking about how the ACR was a waste and about how the AR-18 was so much better? I'll wait until I hear something official before I believe something posted by some troll on the internet. Yeah, Tigerclaw has had nothing but crap to say about the ACR for the past year or two. Although he hasn't laid his hands on it, he's made constant comparisons between it, the SKS, AR-180B and other rifles with the ACR always ending up being the more expensive and least reliable of any rifle compared. He's been asked over and over again which 'other' firearms manufacturer he works for, but he won't respond. As much time as he spends trashing the ACR, you'd think he's paid by someone. Real metal, AR15 barrels or $2400, it's all the same to me. Until I see it in print, anything Tigerclaw has to say is, well, tiger crap. |
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Wasn't that the same guy who was talking about how the ACR was a waste and about how the AR-18 was so much better? I'll wait until I hear something official before I believe something posted by some troll on the internet. Yes, that's him. Mr. AR-180. I always thought he made quite a bit of sence, actually.... But that's just me. |
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Color me skeptical about Bushmaster telling some guy who calls them up on the phone the price of an unreleased product before the commercial product launch.
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Color me skeptical about Bushmaster telling some guy who calls them up on the phone the price of an unreleased product before the commercial product launch. The pith runs strong with this one. |
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The seeing, it is the believing. The not-seeing, also it is the not-believing.
The price will be what it will be, and I'll believe Tigerclaw when I see somebody or something official confirms it. |
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A friend of mine was at the 3-gun at Ft Benning a few weeks ago. He said there were two ACRs being loaned by the Remington rep. Everyone had a chance to shoot 10 rounds. He said it seemed like a decent gun, though he criticized the foreend for being too tall ("like a 2x4 on its side" is how he described it). I asked what mags were used and he said GI. I asked about PMAGs. He told me the Remington rep told the competitors that they were having problems with reliability with the PMAGs. Don't shoot the messenger, just relaying second hand information.
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That would be totally crazy if the ACR (formerly Magpul's Masada) didn't work well with Pmags. Would Magpul be pissed or what?
I can see the whole upright 2x4 impression thing. Seems like this is the design of the new generation combat rifle, noting the SCAR is like this as well. I want an ACR but I'll be patiently waiting to hear the reports on how well the civilian version turns out, hopefully LE versions will eventually be available. Were it not for the reciprocating charging handle I would already have a SCAR. And the XCR is pretty tempting except for the weight. |
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Speaking of updates. I called Bushmaster today. Here is what I am told: 1) The rifle will be ready by mid 2010 for civilians. 2) They can't tell me will it use AR15 barrels or will it use propriatory barrel. 3) They "replaced all the plastic parts with real metal", as a result,the price will be.... $2400 for basic model. For money like this, I am buying, MSAR E4 and two conversion kits. 4) I dunno were they smoking crack when they told me that, or did they think to make a joke and see how quick it will end up on the internet. But thats what I was told today. That puts the rifle above SCAR and HK416 in price. WAAAYY too rich for my blood. I think that for modular rifle I will purchase an MSAR E4 or whatever else comes out. For 2400 dead presidents, the rifle should also already come with M203 underbarrel grenade launcher Just passing it along..... Yeah, Magpul who specializes in polymers (which they've been using to hype the rifle for two years) suddenly scrap the polymer in favor of "real metal" without telling anyone (and all the recent pictures are of a polymer rifle). Umm...no. |
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Speaking of updates. I called Bushmaster today. Here is what I am told: 1) The rifle will be ready by mid 2010 for civilians. 2) They can't tell me will it use AR15 barrels or will it use propriatory barrel. 3) They "replaced all the plastic parts with real metal", as a result,the price will be.... $2400 for basic model. For money like this, I am buying, MSAR E4 and two conversion kits. 4) I dunno were they smoking crack when they told me that, or did they think to make a joke and see how quick it will end up on the internet. But thats what I was told today. That puts the rifle above SCAR and HK416 in price. WAAAYY too rich for my blood. I think that for modular rifle I will purchase an MSAR E4 or whatever else comes out. For 2400 dead presidents, the rifle should also already come with M203 underbarrel grenade launcher Just passing it along..... Yeah, Magpul who specializes in polymers (which they've been using to hype the rifle for two years) suddenly scrap the polymer in favor of "real metal" without telling anyone (and all the recent pictures are of a polymer rifle). Umm...no. The rumor says Bushmaster decided to go with metal, Magpul hasn't had any say in the ACR in a couple years. |
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Speaking of updates. I called Bushmaster today. Here is what I am told: 1) The rifle will be ready by mid 2010 for civilians. 2) They can't tell me will it use AR15 barrels or will it use propriatory barrel. 3) They "replaced all the plastic parts with real metal", as a result,the price will be.... $2400 for basic model. For money like this, I am buying, MSAR E4 and two conversion kits. 4) I dunno were they smoking crack when they told me that, or did they think to make a joke and see how quick it will end up on the internet. But thats what I was told today. That puts the rifle above SCAR and HK416 in price. WAAAYY too rich for my blood. I think that for modular rifle I will purchase an MSAR E4 or whatever else comes out. For 2400 dead presidents, the rifle should also already come with M203 underbarrel grenade launcher Just passing it along..... Yeah, Magpul who specializes in polymers (which they've been using to hype the rifle for two years) suddenly scrap the polymer in favor of "real metal" without telling anyone (and all the recent pictures are of a polymer rifle). Umm...no. The rumor says Bushmaster decided to go with metal, Magpul hasn't had any say in the ACR in a couple years. My apologies if I have this wrong, but didn't you also say the Magpul LR20 magazines were functionally impossible because of the magwell limitations of the SR25 design? And yet I have three arriving today via UPS... Please provide us with a source for your information that Magpul has not been involved in ACR development for years. |
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Speaking of updates. I called Bushmaster today. Here is what I am told: 1) The rifle will be ready by mid 2010 for civilians. 2) They can't tell me will it use AR15 barrels or will it use propriatory barrel. 3) They "replaced all the plastic parts with real metal", as a result,the price will be.... $2400 for basic model. For money like this, I am buying, MSAR E4 and two conversion kits. 4) I dunno were they smoking crack when they told me that, or did they think to make a joke and see how quick it will end up on the internet. But thats what I was told today. That puts the rifle above SCAR and HK416 in price. WAAAYY too rich for my blood. I think that for modular rifle I will purchase an MSAR E4 or whatever else comes out. For 2400 dead presidents, the rifle should also already come with M203 underbarrel grenade launcher Just passing it along..... Yeah, Magpul who specializes in polymers (which they've been using to hype the rifle for two years) suddenly scrap the polymer in favor of "real metal" without telling anyone (and all the recent pictures are of a polymer rifle). Umm...no. The rumor says Bushmaster decided to go with metal, Magpul hasn't had any say in the ACR in a couple years. My apologies if I have this wrong, but didn't you also say the Magpul LR20 magazines were functionally impossible because of the magwell limitations of the SR25 design? And yet I have three arriving today via UPS... Please provide us with a source for your information that Magpul has not been involved in ACR development for years. on thing you will learn about SOC is that he likes to take every oppertunity to throw Magpul under the bus. U will see him creep up in most threads to say something negative. I have learned to ignore him as i recomend to others! |
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