If someone has served their sentence, especially if they're a convicted non-violent felon, shouldn't they have their firearms rights restored as well? The odds of a convicted felon being the victim in a violent crime must be higher as the conviction often limits their future employment opportunities, which limits their income and puts more of them in lower income, higher crime areas.

Because the amendment was about getting more Democrat voters, not actually making people whole after they've served their sentence.

You wont get an answer, not from a dimtard anyways. Ive debated dozens of them asking this and i get duuuuuuuuuuh. If a person comitted a non violent felony like bank fraud or something like that, why should they not?  We all know it was to garner more votes and not truly restore anyones rights. Especially since there is a path to get your rights restored if im not mistaken but that takes work. Just more free shit army propaganda. I was floored on how many conservative leaning people actually thought this was a good idea to vote yes. Had many debates over it. Im truly shocked at the number of yes votes and im really curious how the numbers shake out for Rs actually voting for this.

I've asked the same question.  I also asked why not allow somebody that might be a sexual predator (maybe dated a 17 year old girl when they were 18, dowloaded illegal porn, etc) to be removed from that list and work at a daycare .  I'm told "that's not the same thing"  and my response is that they're non-violent and they paid their debt to society.

This right here. I can not comprehend how anyone other then liberals would vote yes on this amendment....

This passed because of massive democrat turn out and obviously a portion on people who didn't vote gillum but voted yes because possible felons in the family.

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THIS

I’m thinking this could open the way to full restoration of
felons Constitutional Rights.

As they should be. Once they're done with their sentence, ALL their rights should be restored. If they're too dangerous to trust with those rights, they should still be in prison or on probation.

Absolutely...On a side note I wonder how many rushed down to register ??
I bet I already know.

Because going to the Clemency Board was too hard.

I would bet that about 3% of those felons would know that they their voting rights have been restored.

That is is if they haven't gone back to prison or got killed in a bad drug deal.

The dems are much more united in their organizing. If they weren't I don't think they would ever win, not here at least. They will organize and mobilize felons in the next election. There will be commercials. One thing that I think had a significant effect on this amendment passing is that the dem candidates actually tell their constituents how to vote on all of the amendments. We need to start emulating some of their techniques and processes. The only gaping hole I see is that we don't have a soros of our own funding bus rentals for us.

As far as the gun rights being restored, Federal law will prohibit that as long as we still have the ATF and each state is not left to regulate on their own. I could be wrong about that, but I just don't see how we could allow felons to buy guns if we have to comply with federal systems (all forms that ask about felony conviction as a disqualifier) and federal regulations that would prohibit it. As nutty as it may sound to some, I am glad we still have the ATF, especially in light of how uninformed and gullible some of the voters here are. This amendment is a prime example of it. As far as the ATF goes, my dealings with them have been a big positive. I am not sure how interacting with them is in other areas, but as long as they can see you are trying your best around here they seem to have a great appreciation for it.

Think again. Guns are verboten as a civil right. Even SCOTUS agrees that restrictions are fine.

The love for felons is strong in this thread...

I'm of the firm belief that there should be a process for some felons to regain their rights. All of them. But it should not be automatic and quick. Certain crimes should be barred. Sexual Assault and Murder for sure.

The problem we have is that EVERYTHING is a felony these days. That is the true issue at hand. But the stripping of civil rights is part of the punishment and the Founders even intended that.

Yep... lots of things are a felony when it shouldn't be and lots of things, like jacking off in public (unless witnessed by a child under the age of 16), are not...

Felons loose rights. Always been like that.

They are not welcome as much as law abiding citizens.

Price to pay and all that or good folks with common sense have more rights.

FELON'S TEND TO BE REPEAT OFFENDERS.

I would respectfully disagree with you. It is too easy to become a felon and/or prohibited because of certain crimes. I'm not talking about people who break an elderly person's jaw and steal her car/wallet/purse...etc.

I know two guys who are prohibited from purchasing firearms because of ridiculous laws.

I will cite these two examples:

1) A very good friend of ours was convicted of felony possession of marijuana because he went over the threshold of a certain amount. This happened back in the early 1980's when he was nineteen years of age.

This guy had never been in trouble in his life but he took it to a jury trial and lost. In addition, the judge was known as a hard case concerning drugs anyway.

To this very day he owns a successful business and happens to be 100% republican.

2) Another guy I know was falsely accused by his wife of punching her face and scratching her throat. TOTAL LIES! She scratched her own throat and punched herself in the face and called 911.

Her husband begged LPD to not arrest him, telling them what she did. Off to jail he went. He was convicted of battery DV and cannot legally own firearms.

This is why I voted for amendment 4.

An employee at my company has a felony conviction for stealing money from a previous employer many years ago. He has gone through all the paperwork and has his voting rights restored. He said it was a pain in the butt, but was worth it. He also happens to be a registered Dem.

If voting is that important to a felon, then they had a legal path to follow. If it’s not important enough to fill out some paperwork and jump through some hoops, then there is no need to “automatically” restore rights.

I’m in the camp that says part of your “debt to society” is the loss of voting rights, and since there already was a path to restoration, this amendment was completely unnecessary.

It’s all about propaganda and making conservatives appear cold, heartless, and most importantly to them, racist. I was very disappointed that this went through, but at least the passage takes away some of the hate-propaganda that they would have used in the next cycle. That’s about the only silver lining I can find, spurious as it is.

As far as gun rights are concerned...I completely agree they should be tied to voting rights. If you can’t buy a gun until 21, then you can’t vote until 21. If your voting rights are restored, due to your “paid debt to society” then so should your firearm rights.

This gets scary however, considering my coworker example above. He states that he has converted to conservative, but maintains his Dem registration so he can “vote for the worst candidate is the primaries” giving the Rep a better chance of winning. Based on my in-depth conversations with him, he is full of shit, and a true liberal at heart. The only issue he is conservative on is his anti-abortion mission in life, as he claims to be a devout born-again Christian (who doesn’t attend church, and doesn’t live by Christian morals and values). While we all fall short from time to time, he seems to not even try.  My fear of him being granted firearm rights stems from his repeated assertions that “abortion doctors” and their patients should be killed in order to “save the babies.”  He has stated that the only thing preventing him from carrying out these domestic terrorism acts, is the fact that he has two daughters that he wants to be there for, and if it wasn’t for them, he would seek out and destroy all the baby-killers he could. I’ve tried talking some moderation into him, but as with most liberals, logic and reason are not things that come natural.

This should be fun, if the voting rolls are where the jury pool comes from...?
What other rights does a felon lose? Professional license like contractor? Lawyer? Medical?

They are making it less and less of a deterrent to be a felon, not good.

The bigger problem is that "they" have made it way too easy to become a felon.

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Yes, they lose professional licenses and are barred from getting them.

No they aren't. They're making more and more people into felons and then making them dependent on the state for survival since they can't do anything else.

Your coworker is a certified, bonafide, batshit crazy, insane in the membrane, freakazoid.
You are free to tell him I said that.

The problem I had with the amendments was that had riders that would made it passed easier than by itself.

Short answer.

Because had it included gun rights it wouldn't have passed.

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Yea dv laws are a disaster. I feel like they were passed by dems in the 70s in good intentions but have become a disgusting weapon angry women can use to destroy an innocent man. They need to be updated to prevent those kind of cases.

I still don’t agree with amendment 4.

Yes, the riders changed how I voted on some amendments.

Only voted yes on one amendment and can't remember which one.

The amendment passed along with most every other one because no one really knows what they were about. The way they worded them on the ballot was a 2 sentence synopsis of the amendment. Not one that i read that day had any of the add-on riders in it. Unlike the masses that vote i did my research on them and had a cheat sheet with me to remember. I'm willing to be that 75% of voters didn't even know they had to vote on amendments that day until they got the paper in the polling place .

You don’t know the half of it...the guy is the most ethically conflicted person I know.

I thought it was weird when I found out that the laws were different in different states. In some states felons can vote, not in others.
Now I shit you not, there is a bill to allow children to vote.
How can we have a fair election when felons and children can vote in one state but not another?

Voting is a state matter as the Founder originally intended and left it up to them to figure it out who was and was not eligible. The original intent was that states are sovereign political institutions in a common union and that the state governments have a say in national issues through the election of the President and the Senate.

As for DC, they can allow anyone to vote however they pleasse in local elections. A number of municipalities allow non citizens to vote for mayor, town council, dog catcher, etc...

It said in that article that they'll be voting for president in 2020. I thought the way you worded it you meant they'll only be voting in local elections.
The way you describe it is actually pretty scary. Imagine states deciding that people who own guns can't vote.

They are allowing US Citizens that happen to be children to vote in Presidential Elections. That still abides by Federal law.

Simple, they're hoping for more Democrat votes.  Not more evil gun owners.

True, read Three Felonies a Day.