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Posted: 3/25/2020 3:26:02 PM EDT
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watching the press conference now.
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Posted: 3/25/2020 4:23:15 PM EDT
[#2]
Plandemic 2020
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Posted: 3/25/2020 6:01:34 PM EDT
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No he didn’t I fact he said that a shelter in place wouldn’t do any good. He asked people to stay home but also said
“During those two weeks, Minnesotans are able to leave their homes for health and safety activities, outdoor activities, gathering necessary supplies, essential travel, the care of others and relocation purposes.“ |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 8:52:20 PM EDT
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So pretty much what we've been doing for the past week.
I heard about the press conference while stocking back up in the local liquor store. The owner was worried that they would be shut down. Local grocery store had plenty of food, but rather thin on the bread, soup, and rice shelves. Forgot to check the TP isle. |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 9:55:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So pretty much what we've been doing for the past week.  A gigantic nothingburger for the most part. With 78% of the MN workforce deemed essential and much of the other 22% already on the sidelines, not a whole lot changes with this voluntary EO. |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 10:44:08 PM EDT
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This interesting little clause is built right in to the new EO.
"Any person who willfully violates such an order or rule is guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction must be punished by a fine not to exceed $1,000 or by imprisonment for not more than 90 days." Also, during the presser, Walz slipped up a bit and said something to the effect of: based on cell phone data we can tell less people are traveling." ...So, a form of proof that they're tracking cell phones of the citizenry. |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 10:59:19 PM EDT
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I heard an official of some sort (an Iowa county, I think) bragging on the radio about how based on "cell phone tower tracking" the travel in the county had dropped by half (some %?) in the last week.
Yes, your cell phone is tracking you and others have access to that data. ETA: I think the official named the company that was doing the tracking and analysis, but I don't remember it and Google isn't helping. |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 11:37:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This interesting little clause is built right in to the new EO. "Any person who willfully violates such an order or rule is guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction must be punished by a fine not to exceed $1,000 or by imprisonment for not more than 90 days." Also, elsewhere in the EO it says "essential travel only", but later states that pleasure driving is allowed. ??? The EO is contradictory in many ways and a complete mess, leading to the confusion that everyone is arguing about. |
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Posted: 3/26/2020 12:57:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This interesting little clause is built right in to the new EO. "Any person who willfully violates such an order or rule is guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction must be punished by a fine not to exceed $1,000 or by imprisonment for not more than 90 days." Also, during the presser, Walz slipped up a bit and said something to the effect of: based on cell phone data we can tell less people are traveling." ...So, a form of proof that they're tracking cell phones of the citizenry. I noticed that also. |
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Posted: 3/26/2020 12:58:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet in the same paragraph it says the order to stay home is voluntary. So which is it? Also, elsewhere in the EO it says "essential travel only", but later states that pleasure driving is allowed. ??? The EO is contradictory in many ways and a complete mess, leading to the confusion that everyone is arguing about. Driving to the park to go for a walk is essential travel. You’re right makes no sense. I’d wonder what a court would say about it, oh wait we don’t have those anymore. |
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Posted: 3/26/2020 3:07:13 PM EDT
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I heard in the radio today that the cops are looking for guidance on how to enforce this. The statement on the radio was that they are considering just pulling people over and asking them where they are gong. Fucking scumbags.
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Posted: 3/26/2020 3:52:10 PM EDT
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It's absolutely unenforceable.
That said, everyone should be staying the fuck at home. All these flu bros spreading this shit around are just going to result in everyone else having to stay home longer. |
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Posted: 3/26/2020 4:00:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's absolutely unenforceable. That said, everyone should be staying the fuck at home. All these flu bros spreading this shit around are just going to result in everyone else having to stay home longer. Thankfully I've been able to use this EO as a club to beat my boss over the head. He's finally going to allow us to start working from home even though we are classed as "essential" |
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Posted: 3/26/2020 6:53:44 PM EDT
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Minnesota Critical Businesses List:
https://mn.gov/deed/assets/naics-critical-list_tcm1045-424829.pdf |
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Posted: 3/26/2020 10:08:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, during the presser, Walz slipped up a bit and said something to the effect of: based on cell phone data we can tell less people are traveling." ...So, a form of proof that they're tracking cell phones of the citizenry. Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, during the presser, Walz slipped up a bit and said something to the effect of: based on cell phone data we can tell less people are traveling." ...So, a form of proof that they're tracking cell phones of the citizenry. @Eagle_19er Found it: https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/03/24/social-distancing-maps-cellphone-location/ Efforts to track public health during the coronavirus pandemic are a reminder of the many ways phones reveal our personal lives, both as individuals and in the aggregate. Unacast’s location data comes from games, shopping and utility apps that tens of millions of Americans have installed on their phones — information the company normally analyzes for retailers, real estate firms and marketers. It’s part of a shadowy world of location tracking that consumers often have little idea is going on. It’s not alone. Google also collects and shares where we go. Long before the coronavirus, the Google Maps app has included a live read of how busy popular destinations are, based on location data. Facebook’s Instagram, too, lets you see other people who’ve recently shared updates from places. Both tools are useful for anyone who wants to practice social distancing and avoid spaces that are busy for a jog or fresh air during shelter-in-place orders. |
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Posted: 3/27/2020 12:48:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I heard in the radio today that the cops are looking for guidance on how to enforce this. The statement on the radio was that they are considering just pulling people over and asking them where they are gong. Fucking scumbags. What station and what department(s)? Highly doubt this will occur or is being thought of. |
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Posted: 3/27/2020 12:51:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, during the presser, Walz slipped up a bit and said something to the effect of: based on cell phone data we can tell less people are traveling." ...So, a form of proof that they're tracking cell phones of the citizenry. Companies are tracking cellphone data, this has been done for close to a decade or more. Many large companies here in MN and throughout the world use private companies to get data on cellphones and public posts to run metrics and get content from say concerts, events so on and so forth. An article was released with cellphone data showing which states/counties/cities were staying home and rated them throughout the US a few days ago. |
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Posted: 3/28/2020 11:07:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What station and what department(s)? Highly doubt this will occur or is being thought of. I don’t recall as it was a few days ago. |
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Posted: 3/28/2020 4:06:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I heard in the radio today that the cops are looking for guidance on how to enforce this. The statement on the radio was that they are considering just pulling people over and asking them where they are gong. Fucking scumbags. So who is the term F-ing Scumbags directed at, the people on the radio who are making statements, or the Cops? CY6 Greg Sullivan "Sully" SLR15 Rifles TheDefensiveEdge.com (763) 712-0123 |
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Posted: 3/29/2020 1:23:39 PM EDT
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Disturbing in many ways. |
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Posted: 3/29/2020 6:45:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So who is the term F-ing Scumbags directed at, the people on the radio who are making statements, or the Cops? CY6 Greg Sullivan "Sully" SLR15 Rifles TheDefensiveEdge.com (763) 712-0123 Anybody that would pull someone over to ask where they are going. |
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Posted: 3/29/2020 8:00:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody that would pull someone over to ask where they are going. Well, you'll be happy to know that the direction from the attorney general sent out to all agencies in the state is that a reason is still needed to pull someone over. You'd be happy to know that most law enforcement officers had enough common sense to come to that conclusion on their own prior to receiving guidance. |
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Posted: 3/29/2020 8:49:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well, you'll be happy to know that the direction from the attorney general sent out to all agencies in the state is that a reason is still needed to pull someone over. You'd be happy to know that most law enforcement officers had enough common sense to come to that conclusion on their own prior to receiving guidance. Your emphasis how how I’d be happy isn’t misplaced. Leading two sentences with the same phase however is kind of a bummer. |
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Posted: 3/29/2020 10:03:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2020 11:08:01 PM EDT
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Spoke with a local rural cop this evening. He said the local/county LE don't want to pull anyone over unless they have to. They're afraid of catching the bug just like everyone else.
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Posted: 4/1/2020 9:38:32 AM EDT
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Here come the bug
Here come the bug Better watch out, cuz here come the bug |
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Posted: 4/2/2020 1:34:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spoke with a local rural cop this evening. He said the local/county LE don't want to pull anyone over unless they have to. They're afraid of catching the bug just like everyone else. before everyone freaks out, read this. SOP are there repercussions to this, sure but I think most here are worried about over reach of LE while this is the norm. |
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Posted: 4/2/2020 8:49:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: before everyone freaks out, read this. SOP are there repercussions to this, sure but I think most here are worried about over reach of LE while this is the norm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Spoke with a local rural cop this evening. He said the local/county LE don't want to pull anyone over unless they have to. They're afraid of catching the bug just like everyone else. before everyone freaks out, read this. SOP are there repercussions to this, sure but I think most here are worried about over reach of LE while this is the norm. This is of course the exact situation where a local cop tells someone one thing and the Feds./State/Co. decide to do something else. Right now my local cop doesn't have any instructions to over reach -- in my neighborhood he more than likely never will. HOWEVER, there's no way I'd expect the same from any MPLS/STP or state officer. |
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Posted: 4/2/2020 9:34:49 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is of course the exact situation where a local cop tells someone one thing and the Feds./State/Co. decide to do something else. Right now my local cop doesn't have any instructions to over reach -- in my neighborhood he more than likely never will. HOWEVER, there's no way I'd expect the same from any MPLS/STP or state officer. Every LE agency from the top down in Minnesota received guidance from the Attorney General. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 9:45:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Every LE agency from the top down in Minnesota received guidance from the Attorney General. Muslim Attorney General |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 1:26:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Muslim Attorney General Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Every LE agency from the top down in Minnesota received guidance from the Attorney General. Muslim Attorney General I'm sure you'll be right along with an explanation as to how that's relevant in a way that shouldn't at least warrant editing your post, right? |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 8:26:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure you'll be right along with an explanation as to how that's relevant in a way that shouldn't at least warrant editing your post, right? Why edit it? If you mean something enough to let the internet know about it then have the stones to leave it. |
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Posted: 4/3/2020 11:12:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why edit it? If you mean something enough to let the internet know about it then have the stones to leave it. Because, while I completely agree with the independent merits of your statement, part of the responsibility for moderating this forum (in particular and as a whole) is trying to prevent posts which reflect on the community as a whole in a negative manner. I certainly have no problem with individuals who elect to advertise their prejudices, but I have no desire to be associated with those prejudices myself (I'd rather come by them honestly on my own). |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 7:46:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure you'll be right along with an explanation as to how that's relevant in a way that shouldn't at least warrant editing your post, right? Matthew 7:6 “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 9:51:08 AM EDT
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I generally try to do moderator things as little as possible in here, but much of that is predicated on everyone presenting themselves as well-adjusted adults who can use a hair of discretion in the way they convert their opinions into words.
I had hoped that it was abundantly clear that it's unacceptable to insult or make derogatory comments towards a group of people based off nothing other than their employment, religion, etc. This sort of stuff is well-known on this site, and is pretty clearly spelled out in the CoC. Things are stressful and difficult enough right now. If someone would like to start a new thread on this subject, feel free to do so. I'd appreciate everyone exercising a little bit more personal editorial control. |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 9:52:10 AM EDT
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CoC 1 and 7
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