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Hello Fellow Gun Enthusiasts, I too enthusiast on guns...
So next month me and about 5 other guys are headed that way for our annual trip. Day trip Joshua Tree, wedding Malibu, visit Sequoia-King's Canyon, two days in Yosemite, across Tioga, see Mono Lake, day trip Death valley, and finish on the Mojave Road. Yes, I know that's a lot in short time and it'll be really hot. But it's 98 here with a feels like temp of 106 while Death valley was 106 feeling like 99. But we're all prepared for that.
Questions are about guns. I know that guns in the vehicle cannot be loaded, mags can, and be locked in a trunk or locked container regardless of passenger or driver. I keep reading, "must not be concealed" -- does that mean the safe can't be concealed? What would be a good safe to roll with? I used to have one of those center console safes but it took away space I needed.
There is no reciprocity whatsoever so there is no concealed and don't even think about it.
Magazines are to be no more than 10 rounds -- I know the 9th rejected that but is it still being enforced? I carry a P365XL and would prefer to take that with me as that's the one I've become most adjusted to. I know they make a 10 rounder but I have a few spare 12, could I pin those down myself and still be kosher?
We'll be spending half that time camping, and I don't think a ranger will come into our tents and look for a gun anyway -- so no issues?
Anything else I should be aware of? I may not like the laws, I know y'all don't, but I'm not trying to get into any trouble either.
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This is the general info provided on the doJ site (format doesn't copy well):
For transportation:
"Handguns California Penal Code section 25400 does not prohibit a citizen of the United States over 18 years of age who is in lawful possession of a handgun, and who resides or is temporarily in California, from transporting the handgun by motor vehicle provided it is unloaded and stored in a locked container . (Pen . Code, § 25610 .) The term "locked container" means a secure container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device . This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not include the utility or glove compartment . (Pen . Code, § 16850 .)
Rifles and Shotguns Nonconcealable firearms (rifles and shotguns) are not generally covered within the provisions of California Penal Code section 25400 and therefore are not required to be transported in a locked container . However, as with any firearm, nonconcealable firearms must be unloaded while they are being transported . A rifle or shotgun that is defined as an assault weapon pursuant to Penal Code section 30510 or 30515 must be transported in accordance with Penal Code section 25610."
As visitors, you are not allowed to import anything defined as an assault weapon, that's just in there covering Ca residents transporting their own firearms. Note that while something may not be required to be in a locked container in the vehicle in transport, there are requirements regarding "open carry" (As in there isn't any for the most part) and getting to or from the vehicle to the place of business, residence, campsite, etc., is probably best done in a container/case of some sort for practicality, visual security, convenience, etc. Unloaded in a locked container is not "concealed." it's the legal way to transport. Hiding the container from casual view is probably a good idea, if nothing else, less inviting to the window breakers, etc.
As to the type of containers? The idea is that the driver, etc., doesn't have immediate access to a loaded firearm, handguns being cased requiring some effort to locate the case, unlock the case, then load the firearm, not something easily done while driving. People use a wide range of soft or hard cases, depending on the firearm, where they want it to fit, etc. Auto burglaries being a problem the more secure the case and fastened somehow securely to the frame or a solid metal point of some sort slows down opportunistic thieves.
Not sure if they've defined "utility" compartment. But a pistol loose in a locked glove compartment is not OK. I don't know that I'd put a pistol in a locked container in a glove compartment. That's often where registration or insurance docs are carried so to avoid mixing things up if you need to retrieve them put the locked case someplace else.
Remote camping in the desert or other public lands, in camp carry isn't likely to be an issue. Legal or not, if camping in an established national park campsite, like Yosemite, you aren't going to see people carrying around the campfire.
I don't think there is a problem if you've pinned/riveted your own mags. Just so it's not an easily reversed process. You'd have to have really bad luck/bad behavior to get to the point that they are looking at how you pinned a couple of mags.