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Posted: 1/16/2020 9:26:27 PM EDT
Anyone following the gun control drama in Virginia?
There are many threads in GD about it, lot's of articles,  I think something's going to give soon.
Cliff's notes, State went Blue bigly, many draconian GC laws are poised to be introduced, big Anti rally scheduled for Monday.
Governor gets scared, bans all firearms on Capitol grounds, then doubles down and declares a State of Emergency.(citing "credible intelligence" concerning out of state ne'er do wells)
Subplots are many Counties declaring themselves 2A sanctuaries and the AG threatening to fire LEOs .
This MAY be the straw that woke up the camel.
I hope it's a case of giving the Dems enough rope they finally go too far.
Shit's getting tiresome.

Or it could rain and everybody stays home.
Link Posted: 1/17/2020 6:18:26 AM EDT
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It's going to be interesting for sure.  My concern is the democrats secretly causing an incident to try and justify their agenda.  I seriously doubt any of the pro 2A folks would do anything but the democrats or one of these radical fringe groups are a whole different story.  There are some really radical groups out there who's goal is to bring about another civil war.  The democrats have created the perfect environment for these radicals to come out and try to do just that.

When you declare war on one of, if not THE, most important rights granted to the citizenry by our founders you are declaring war on America.  The whole reason this right was written in the way it was was to protect the citizenry from exactly these kinds of government abuse.  When the people rightfully react it opens the door for all kinds of critters to come out of the shadows to try to advance their own agendas.

The Democratic controlled state government of Virginia have created a tyrannical and clearly unconstitutional state within the state.  They have to be stopped and punished for their traitorous actions.  If you look at the counties that have declared themselves 2A sanctuaries refusing to comply with the state government is almost every single county except 4 or 5 IIRC.  That's a pretty big statement.  The 2 most populous cities may have gone blue but they will not be allowed to run roughshod over the entire state.  That's being proven as we speak.

The people have had enough.  This isn't a disagreement over a moral argument it's a battle over the systematic dismemberment of a constitutionally protected right.  You can dislike the 2nd Amendment but you cannot F*#K with it.  They did and now comes the result.  Short of the Supreme Court issuing an ironclad ruling that removes any questionability of the term "Shall Not Be Infringed" I think the democrats will continue to keep infringing and, at some point, there will be a reckoning.  It will be a dark day in our history. I hope it never happens but with the most liberal of the Democratic party starting to endorse full blown socialism and communism in addition to their attempt to disarm American citizens it's almost inevitable.  The SCOTUS should have addressed this long ago but have avoided it knowing just what a hot topic it is.

There's a reason why our founding fathers specifically chose the second amendment to include "Shall not be infringed".  They wanted to be sure that what's happening today never happens.  Of all of our constitutionally protected rights the second amendment is the ONLY one to have "Shall not be infringed" written into it.  It was, is and will continue to be non-negotiable.  It was written so that it should not have been open to interpretation.  Unfortunately, that hasn't stopped some from doing just that.  It's going to take a landmark decision from the Supreme Court to end this but the wheels of justice move slowly.  When referring to the SCOTUS the wheels move really, really, really slowly.  Quite possibly too slowly.  It may be too late.

The first step to overthrowing a government is to disarm the people.  It's played out through history over and over.  Let's all hope that we don't reach that tipping point.
Link Posted: 1/18/2020 6:21:23 PM EDT
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The question remains, when that shit comes to OK, and one day it will, how will we respond? In the same manner that Virginians are I would hope. We as a group have to start standing up, the left is not used to gun owners assembling armed en mass like what will happen on the 20th, they need to know we will no longer concede ground.
Link Posted: 1/19/2020 6:22:47 PM EDT
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rights granted to the citizenry by our founders you are declaring war on America.
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I'm going to nitpick some language here, because this is one of my pet peeves on the issue of rights.

Rights are not granted by the government.

Whether you believe they are granted by God or exist as a natural condition of being human, rights pre-exist government and are not dependent on government.

The Founders recognized these rights and sought to codify them specifically to spell them out so that the federal government would, in theory, know to leave them alone.  But the Bill of Rights does not grant any rights.  It recognizes their existence and marks them as "off limits."
Link Posted: 1/19/2020 10:48:44 PM EDT
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I see what you are saying but a right recognized is still a right granted just as a right unrecognized is a right denied. There's really nothing that says humans can or should do this or that.  If you are a member of a specific religion you can refer to the tenants of that religion as rights that exist above and beyond the government but they have no authority except inside that religion.  Each different group has it's own beliefs and you can't apply them to everyone else as much as most of them would like to.

We have to defend ourselves or perish.  We have to protect our loved ones or they perish.  We have to protect our property or lose it and so on.  Those are common sense concepts that are the basis of survival and proliferation as a species.

The definition of a right is "a moral or legal entitlement to have or obtain something or to act in a certain way."  So it's either one or the other.  A legal entitlement or a moral one.  Laws are different everywhere and morals depend on what you, as in individual, believe is right or wrong.

Or at least that's how I see it at the moment.
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