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Posted: 9/21/2018 9:15:37 PM EDT
[#1]
You had one job OP...
One of the hot-button issues on the upcoming Ohio midterms is State Issue 1, titled "The Neighborhood Safety, Drug Treatment, and Rehabilitation Amendment." There are many people and groups who oppose and support the issue, but what does it aim to do?
One of the main takeaways is if passed, the issue would make the possession, obtainment and use of illegal drugs a misdemeanor. There would also be no jail-time attached to drug sentences for first and second time offenders within a 24-month period. After the third time within that period, the issue states jail time or probation would serve as punishment. With fewer inmates in jails and prisons, the issue would "require any available funding" to be put towards state-administered rehabilitation programs and crime victim funds. Summary link to bill here. |
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Posted: 9/21/2018 10:18:11 PM EDT
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Fewer resources wasted on the absurd war on drugs? Sounds good to me. Although I don't know about that rehab and victims funding.
"Chief Justice Maureen O'Connor said "It will tie the hands of judges. They will not be able to incentivize addicts to go for treatment and people will die."" Hmm, that sounds an awful lot like the scare tactics behind the Patriot Act and gun control legislation and Obamacare and... https://youtu.be/eXWhbUUE4ko |
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Posted: 9/23/2018 10:07:38 PM EDT
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Fewer resources wasted on the absurd war on drugs? Sounds good to me. Although I don't know about that rehab and victims funding. "Chief Justice Maureen O'Connor said "It will tie the hands of judges. They will not be able to incentivize addicts to go for treatment and people will die."" Hmm, that sounds an awful lot like the scare tactics behind the Patriot Act and gun control legislation and Obamacare and... https://youtu.be/eXWhbUUE4ko |
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Posted: 9/24/2018 3:00:39 PM EDT
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We don't need another amendment to our state constitution. This BTW is being funded by the same leftist billionaires that are going state to state to push to gun control intitatives before the voters. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fewer resources wasted on the absurd war on drugs? Sounds good to me. Although I don't know about that rehab and victims funding. "Chief Justice Maureen O'Connor said "It will tie the hands of judges. They will not be able to incentivize addicts to go for treatment and people will die."" Hmm, that sounds an awful lot like the scare tactics behind the Patriot Act and gun control legislation and Obamacare and... https://youtu.be/eXWhbUUE4ko |
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Posted: 9/24/2018 11:06:48 PM EDT
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So, I listened to a presentation by our County prosecutor on Issue 1.
Issue 1 is backed monetarily by George Soros to the tune of $4million. It is the brainchild of a man from California. If passed it would immediately mean the release of 10,000 prisoners in Ohio prisons. It would allow someone caught with enough fentanyl to Overdose all the people in Franklin county to escape jail...this would indicate a dealer! A dealer who would not get jail time. Do you want your kids sold this? I also talked to an appeals court Judge that was there, a friend of mine. He said 80% of all crimes done in Ohio are drug related. Shocking! He said most drug users do not get jail time in Ohio, anyway, something this claims to stop. He said most of the people in jail for drugs are there because there was another crime in there somewhere and they pled guilty to a lesser crime. He said Ohio usually tries to get the person off drugs rather just send them to jail. He said if the passes, drug use will increase, the number of dealers will increase. Drugs are a huge drain on the finances of every state right now and this issue if passed would send the number beyond what we can afford. Guys like you and I will pay for the extra that the increased drug usage that this will create. This is serious, do NOT PASS ThIS. They could make this a law that would be easier to repeal when we find the harm it will cause to Ohio. Whereas, a change to the constitution will be harder to change back. VoTE NO |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 2:36:18 PM EDT
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More people not incarcerated means they are out using and committing property crimes to get money to buy more drugs.
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Posted: 10/3/2018 10:44:45 AM EDT
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Why is it bad?
In my opinion drugs are an easy way to separate the winners from the losers. Why stand in the way of natural selection? I see the op has tried to use the children as leverage against this. How about teach the kids personal responsibility? It is concerning who is funding this, but I'm not so sure this is a bad thing. Maybe I'm missing something? I'd imagine the number of overdoses will go way up, but I'm not going to pretend to care about junkies and dope sniffers. |
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Posted: 10/3/2018 1:20:04 PM EDT
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The Ohio Legislature already has the power to make or change such a law without amending the Ohio Constitution. Issue 1 appears to be an endrun around the Ohio Legislature by a handful of rich folks who acquired enough signatures to get it on the ballot.
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Posted: 10/4/2018 9:01:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/4/2018 9:03:39 PM EDT
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Why is it bad? In my opinion drugs are an easy way to separate the winners from the losers. Why stand in the way of natural selection? I see the op has tried to use the children as leverage against this. How about teach the kids personal responsibility? It is concerning who is funding this, but I'm not so sure this is a bad thing. Maybe I'm missing something? I'd imagine the number of overdoses will go way up, but I'm not going to pretend to care about junkies and dope sniffers. |
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Posted: 10/5/2018 5:29:33 PM EDT
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Why is it bad? In my opinion drugs are an easy way to separate the winners from the losers. Why stand in the way of natural selection? I see the op has tried to use the children as leverage against this. How about teach the kids personal responsibility? It is concerning who is funding this, but I'm not so sure this is a bad thing. Maybe I'm missing something? I'd imagine the number of overdoses will go way up, but I'm not going to pretend to care about junkies and dope sniffers. People that buy and sell drugs are dangerous. If you watch First 48 on tv you would know how many people are killed in drug deals and some are just innocent bystanders. People try to get even with others over drugs. Did not pay, got bad stuff and so they shoot up a guys house or the like. The whole situation is just dangerous. Look at the effect drugs have had on this country in general. The whole economy has been hurt by the amount of money the govt is spending because of drugs. It is not like I am using children like the schools use it to get levees passed. |
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Posted: 10/5/2018 6:40:21 PM EDT
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Having more people on drugs is bad for many reasons. People do strange things when on drugs, it might just affect your children...but I would guess you have no children or at least none living with you? People that buy and sell drugs are dangerous. If you watch First 48 on tv you would know how many people are killed in drug deals and some are just innocent bystanders. People try to get even with others over drugs. Did not pay, got bad stuff and so they shoot up a guys house or the like. The whole situation is just dangerous. Look at the effect drugs have had on this country in general. The whole economy has been hurt by the amount of money the govt is spending because of drugs. It is not like I am using children like the schools use it to get levees passed.  The Simpsons - Helen Lovejoy - Think of the children |
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Posted: 10/5/2018 9:09:21 PM EDT
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Leftist ballot issues are how to get leftist voters to get off their asses and vote. And at the same time vote for leftist politicians. That’s why Soros is pushing this garbage.
The Ohio legislature should’ve passed something to neutralize this, but no, they won’t. |
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Posted: 10/7/2018 1:56:06 PM EDT
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I vote no on all constitutional amendments. If this is something that actually needs done, they the legislators that we all vote into office to create laws should probably go ahead and create that law the correct way.
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Posted: 10/7/2018 2:10:11 PM EDT
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Voting No.
87% of Ohio doesn’t know what having drug dealers in your neighborhood is like. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 9:11:09 AM EDT
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Voting No. 87% of Ohio doesn’t know what having drug dealers in your neighborhood is like. Most people think legalizing drugs is innocent enough. Your body, you should choose what you put in it right?! (that's what she said) when you lighten the restriction and penalties for drug use it brings in s**thead pot smoking liberals from other parts of the country. Your state all of the sudden becomes "progressive", look what happened to Colorado. It used to be a decent state now its a hive for liberals. If we want Ohio to stay red in future election and if we don't want druggies walking among us we MUST vote no. |
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Posted: 10/8/2018 9:59:41 AM EDT
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Agreed. Most people think legalizing drugs is innocent enough. Your body, you should choose what you put in it right?! (that's what she said) when you lighten the restriction and penalties for drug use it brings in s**thead pot smoking liberals from other parts of the country. Your state all of the sudden becomes "progressive", look what happened to Colorado. It used to be a decent state now its a hive for liberals. If we want Ohio to stay red in future election and if we don't want druggies walking among us we MUST vote no. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Voting No. 87% of Ohio doesn’t know what having drug dealers in your neighborhood is like. Most people think legalizing drugs is innocent enough. Your body, you should choose what you put in it right?! (that's what she said) when you lighten the restriction and penalties for drug use it brings in s**thead pot smoking liberals from other parts of the country. Your state all of the sudden becomes "progressive", look what happened to Colorado. It used to be a decent state now its a hive for liberals. If we want Ohio to stay red in future election and if we don't want druggies walking among us we MUST vote no. |
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Posted: 10/9/2018 6:54:00 AM EDT
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The Ohio Legislature already has the power to make or change such a law without amending the Ohio Constitution. Issue 1 appears to be an endrun around the Ohio Legislature by a handful of rich folks who acquired enough signatures to get it on the ballot. Ive been saying this since the smoking ban was passed. This is the fatal flaw in Ohio's Constitution. Its way too easy for some do gooder group to get an initiative put on the ballot...get the backing of some billionaire, round up a bunch of out of signatures, run a bunch of misleading "for the children" adds on TV and boom! Not only does their cause become law, but its also etched in our State Constitution with a simple majority. There are a lot of dumb people out there that will vote for anything without thinking. Never underestimate the power of stupidity amongst the masses. |
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Posted: 10/10/2018 2:23:51 PM EDT
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The real argument against drugs is that they are bad for individual users, bad for their families and friends, bad for their employers, and bad for society as a whole. The worse a drug is the more restricted it is.
We don’t have a sane drug policy that handles it as a health problem; still, I don’t buy this issue as a step in the right direction or the right way to deal with the problems the war on drugs itself has caused. |
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Posted: 10/10/2018 6:46:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm undecided on Issue 1 so far but I hope you're not it's strongest opponent. Your argument sounds like a suburban stay at home mother trying to convince another mother why guns are bad and contains no factual information. It's literally children, speculation and feelings.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bgI have given several facts....1 being that 10,000 people in prison over drugs will be released. Maybe you cannot read well enough to have read that?? As I previously stated, most people in Jail in Ohio over drugs, did not go to jail for a single drug possession charge as per both individuals I talked to. Most people in jail for drugs have plead down from another crime to a crime of possession. The state already has programs to rehab drug users. California has a far worse drug problem than Ohio, the guy who wrote and promoted this issue is a Californian. Is that what YOU want in Ohio, if you support it, give me some facts why it would be good for Ohio. Or do you just crap on someones elses thread with nothing to add??0 |
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Posted: 10/10/2018 8:31:31 PM EDT
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I don't know about other areas, but they are not sending anyone to prison here for Felony 5 possession of drugs. They get probation/court ordered rehab. If they mess up enough, they might do a little time. I'm pretty sure its a statewide thing due to prison overcrowding and expense.
Which leads me to believe this is all about money. Why would someone from California push this here? No thanks, something is screwy. ETA: Also to spur voter turnout, as someone else pointed out. But also someone is probably getting a kickback. |
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Posted: 10/10/2018 9:27:20 PM EDT
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Voting yes. No more wasting money on the already lost war on drugs.
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Posted: 10/10/2018 10:58:05 PM EDT
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Voting yes. No more wasting money on the already lost war on drugs. |
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Posted: 10/11/2018 5:53:33 PM EDT
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Seeing the effects of drugs every day and having been the victim of a robbery personally I would have to say this is the wrong step to be taking. Additionally I will stand against 95% of these attempts to change the state Constitution thru the ballot box. Voters are idiots, not that the politicians are any better.
Drugs are bad, just say no yada yada. Please take one look at the effect the drugs have on the areas where they are prevalent. Sure s#!tbags are s#!tbags but these drugs devastate an area, but I guess as long as it is not MY part of town it is ok... The disease that runs thru the area are nasty, sure won't effect you until one comes to your neighborhood and throws out a syringe and you jab yourself with a needle... Oh and there isn't much to steal in their part of town so they are coming your direction to find some way to pay for their next fix. Every time 911 is called for an OD how much does it cost you? Police and fire aren't free, the supplies and Narcan that the DOH gives out for free to the users costs somebody some serious cash. Who pays for their hospital visit when they end up there? Bob OD'd last night so they just run down and get another Narcan dose the next day from the DOH, the enterprising users will sell their free Narcan to the next junkie on the street then have money for their next hit. No natural selection allowed here, they all have a disease, it's an epidemic... Now if this created a drug court, with mandatory sentencing to rehab, imposed maybe a 3 strikes and your out, of to big boy jail and will never be given Narcan again when you OD... I may be for that. It is false thinking to say that the user is the only one effected by drugs. Legalize it, don't treat them, let Darwin take over? Maybe |
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Posted: 10/12/2018 9:43:56 PM EDT
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While I'm normally a legalize it guy, i voted no considering it's funded by soros money. Keep draining the coffers. Let them spend 8 million next year. Its another 4 million wasted. Maybe it's a drop in the soros bucket, but you can bleed to death one drop at a time.
Can i get filled in on the state constitution thing vs just another law? |
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Posted: 10/14/2018 4:15:02 AM EDT
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While I'm normally a legalize it guy, i voted no considering it's funded by soros money. Keep draining the coffers. Let them spend 8 million next year. Its another 4 million wasted. Maybe it's a drop in the soros bucket, but you can bleed to death one drop at a time. Can i get filled in on the state constitution thing vs just another law? 1. Get the backing by a billionaire (usually Soros and Bloomberg) 2. Round up a bunch of signatures of registered voters 3. Run a bunch of non stop misleading for the children ads 4. Wait until election day and watch all the sheep come in and vote for whatever cause is on the ballot. 5. As long as you have a simple majority, you just got whatever cause etched in our state constitution.  Isnt it Scary?! |
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Posted: 10/14/2018 2:45:09 PM EDT
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...among other things, we need to stop letting outside influencers try to screw w/ our state's constitution...
i'm not just voting NO, ..i'm voting HELL NO!!! 
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Posted: 10/17/2018 8:17:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We don't need another amendment to our state constitution. This BTW is being funded by the same leftist billionaires that are going state to state to push to gun control intitatives before the voters. Same thing with the marijuana issue, we don't need a constitutional amendment for crissakes. 
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Posted: 10/17/2018 8:17:54 PM EDT
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The Ohio Legislature already has the power to make or change such a law without amending the Ohio Constitution. Issue 1 appears to be an endrun around the Ohio Legislature by a handful of rich folks who acquired enough signatures to get it on the ballot. |
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Posted: 11/5/2018 9:06:15 PM EDT
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i'm ready to vote HELL NO tomorrow!!!
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Posted: 11/5/2018 11:15:24 PM EDT
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Voted No last week.
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Posted: 11/6/2018 7:21:10 PM EDT
[#32]
Like all ballot initiatives, I voted no.
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Posted: 11/6/2018 11:55:43 PM EDT
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91% pcts reporting:
Issue 1 is going down hard!!!!! SelectionVotes% of Votes YES 1,451,45135.97% NO 2,583,49364.03% Total Votes Cast 4,034,944 |
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Posted: 11/7/2018 2:13:21 AM EDT
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so glad we defeated this soundly!!! glad voters read the language to see how proposterous it was!!!
99.99% in: State Issue 1 To Reduce Penalties for Crimes of Obtaining, Possessing, and Using Illegal Drugs SelectionVotes% of Votes YES 1,563,230 36.57% NO 2,711,965 63.43% Total Votes Cast 4,275,195 |
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Posted: 11/7/2018 9:24:44 AM EDT
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It was much closer in the big city counties with "YES" being the winner in Cuyahoga (53%-47%) and Franklin. (52%-48%)
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Posted: 11/7/2018 12:40:26 PM EDT
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It was much closer in the big city counties with "YES" being the winner in Cuyahoga (53%-47%) and Franklin. (52%-48%) |
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Posted: 11/7/2018 1:10:59 PM EDT
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Voted no yesterday. Once you see who is backing it will tell all you need know about it...
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Posted: 11/7/2018 5:16:11 PM EDT
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I'll come out and say I agreed with the spirit of the amendment but not the letter how it was written. I definitely do not think it should be a constitutional amendment.
Honestly I hoped it would fail a little less so the state house sees it as a referendum with motivation to change the law, similar how after recreational marijuana failed the state house passed medical. |
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Posted: 11/7/2018 8:33:57 PM EDT
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I was worried looking at results early when it was passing.
About the only constitutional amendment vote I'm going to be for is the one that puts an end to the stupidity of a simple majority of voters amending the state constitution |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 11:18:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Restrict behavior you don't like, got it. No reason the progressives can't use the same logic to ban all the things they hate. Its more than just restricting something I don't like, its the safety and security of our nation and state at stake. We pass laws all the time to restrict or prohibit dangerous acts that degrade our nation. If you want to go smoke pot there are plenty of states that allow it. I nor the majority of ohioans do not support drug use here and that was reflected in the election results. |
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Posted: 11/9/2018 11:08:15 AM EDT
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I voted no on Issue 1. Why would we want to circumvent the normal legislative process? Usually because it’s a bad admandment, just like the pot admendment a few years ago.
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Posted: 11/12/2018 1:06:08 PM EDT
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I was worried looking at results early when it was passing. About the only constitutional amendment vote I'm going to be for is the one that puts an end to the stupidity of a simple majority of voters amending the state constitution |
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Posted: 11/12/2018 7:02:56 PM EDT
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We need a constitutional amendment that requires a supermajority of voters for any further ballot initiative rather than a simple majority.
This will put an end to some of BS Soros and Bloomberg want to shove down our throats. |
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Posted: 11/18/2018 3:04:22 PM EDT
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We need a constitutional amendment that requires a supermajority of voters for any further ballot initiative rather than a simple majority. This will put an end to some of BS Soros and Bloomberg want to shove down our throats. |
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Posted: 11/22/2018 12:41:22 PM EDT
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Ohio R legislators want to make changes to make it more difficult to mess with the Ohio constitution, but the D politicians keep finding excuses to delay it.
If you want it to happen you have to tell your legislators. |
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Posted: 11/23/2018 1:14:17 AM EDT
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Ohio R legislators want to make changes to make it more difficult to mess with the Ohio constitution, but the D politicians keep finding excuses to delay it. If you want it to happen you have to tell your legislators. Right now Bloomberg is going state to state getting his gun control initiatives put before the ballot. The sheep fell for it in Washington State. Its only a matter of time before it hits Ohio. |
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Posted: 11/23/2018 5:23:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed and with urgency Right now Bloomberg is going state to state getting his gun control initiatives put before the ballot. The sheep fell for it in Washington State. Its only a matter of time before it hits Ohio. |
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