Anyone know much about Jeff Burningham?  I don't want Cox or Huntsman.

Clue me in on Huntsman.  Is he a RHINO?

Oh hell yeah.

Obama appointed him ambassador to China. That's why he left office here in the first place.

China.

Says all you really need to know.

In my opinion he is another Romney.

I met and spent some time with Burningham a number of months ago.

Bottom line - he is NOT a politician.  He is a self made millionaire that wants to drain the swamp in Utah.

He seems like a polite Donald Trump.

He has my vote as everyone else running are career politicians.  I am *SICK* of career politicians.

cheers

tire iron

I’d like to see some solid contenders because we will autopilot to Cox aka Herbie 2: Milquetoast Boogaloo otherwise

I have my eye on Aimee Winder Newton. She’s needing more signatures to make it on the ballot but she’s the only one who has come out against ERPO by name to any degree.

Leaning towards Burningham.

I'll pass on Cox, Hunstman and Hughes.

Greg Hughes is the only runner up that voted FOR constitutional carry and voted to overturn Herberts Veto twice. He also is dedicated to protect Utah land from the Federal Government. Every vote he’s done has been spot on. He also supports and was enforced by our great president. Vote Hughes!

Hughes is my guy so far.

I have to take back my endorsement of Burningham - he is a huge Romney fan.

I WILL NOT BE VOTING FOR ANY "ROMNEY FAN".



I *really* wanted to vote for an outsider, i.e. someone not tied to the political machine, but from what I see right now - it looks like HUGHES is the most pro-constitution, pro-gun candidate.  He looks to be the least likely to act like a career politician.

cheers

tire iron

I don't like Huntsman, Utah can do a lot better. So don't take this as support for Huntsman. You have plenty of better options.

There is plenty to hold against Huntsman, plenty. But his ambassadorship to China is not one of them. He is fluent in Chinese, and he answered the call to service to God and Country when his Country called.

And he was public in calling-out Obama when he quit the ambassadorship. To run *against* Obama.

There is plenty of RINO stuff to hold against Huntsman. I hope you gents select a pro-gun conservative. But the ambassadorship thing isn't one.

If your litmus test of who to support in Utah are those who never ever had a good word or a statement of support for Romney, your list will be very, very short.

Even Trump endorsed and supported Romney *against* hard-line Trump supporters in the Utah Senate race in 2018.

Romney has been an absolute disaster for Utah. He has been supporting Trumps leftist agenda more than any other Republican... Link



If any of these candidates is *currently* running on a pro Romney platform, kick them to the curb. Romney has been a disaster for conservative ideals and Utah. Romney has supported "take the guns first" socialism 80% of the time since getting elected to Washington. More than any other Republican. That is a disaster for conservative ideals, the US, and Utah.

But if your litmus test of who to vote for in Utah is limited to those who never supported Romney, your list will be small if not non-existant. Everyone at one point has supported Romney. Even Trump supported Romney in 2018. I bet almost *all* "Republicans" in Utah supported Romney going back to 2008 until 2018, especially against "dream ticket" Link Obama in 2012. And against Democrat Jenny Wilson in 2018.

If your litmus test for Utah governor excludes anyone who ever supported Romney, it would exclude long-time deep-Utah-swamp politician Hughes who supported Romney (alongside Trump) for the Senate in 2018:

Link

Hughes is deep Utah swamp: Link

Hughes is my neighbor. He is the epitome of the swamp. Not sure who I'm voting for yet, but it will never be him.

This is valuable insight.

Who knows anythjng about wright?

Constitutionalist Mike Lee endorsed Huntsman. Link

iirc Lee and Huntsman are friends. This doesn't shock me.

I'll be voting Hughes.  Huntsman and Cox are RINOs.  Nobody else has a shot.  At least Greg is pro 2nd and for constitutional carry.

Hughes is another Carpetbagger like Romney. Came to Utah politics from outside Utah. Then immediately got involved in political graft and corruption.

And in the meantime, has embedded himself deep in the Utah swamp... "Greg Hughes might be the most powerful man in Utah politics, if he could just stay out of trouble" Link

Hughes knows what conservatives want to hear, and he repeats what he knows conservatives want to listen to. But --anyone who has been paying attention has learned the last few years-- you can't honestly drain the swamp if you are a deeply embedded part of the swamp.

Huntsman is a RINO, no argument. And he shifted politically-left since his last governorship. But so has Utah, generally speaking. Huntsman is leading the polls for a reason.

But Hughes is not the solution to the swamp problem. Hughes is the Utah swamp problem.

I don't know what the answer to the problem is, but the solution is not deeply-corrupt Hughes.

I'm still torn. They all suck. It's just a matter of who will suck less. Can we all just write in DarkCharisma?

Huntsman leads polls because he has his name on a bunch of stuff in the state

Utahns vote on name recognition, just how everywhere else does.

Well, I guess *technically* it is his *fathers* name all over buildings in Utah and college campuses...

Huntsman being (a relatively popular among the masses) Governor before, and now we are in a "crisis" probably helps him with the moderate middle voters IMHO...

Cox, Hughes advance to Utah GOP primary election for governor after 'online only' convention
I liked Hughes from the get-go.

Hughes is deep swamp.

The Primary is a four-person race now...

"In the GOP race for governor, Lt. Gov. Spencer Cox, former Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. and former Utah GOP Chairman Thomas Wright are already on the primary ballot. Republican delegates advanced both Cox and former House Speaker Greg Hughes to the ballot, making the GOP gubernatorial primary a four-way race." Link

I just need a governor to pass our permitless ccw bill and pay lip service to being anti ERPO. That’s it. So if that’s Hughes then great.

True he isn't from here.  He moved here to go to college.  Decided to stay.  That was what 20 something years ago?  What is your statute of limitations on not being a carpet bagger?  50 years then you live here?

Edited 1387Delta   This is not GD

He's on ignore for a reason. Also, why would we take the opinion of someone with a location listed as Indiana's opinion and advise on Utah politics?

fairly certain it';s actually romney himself

Well that would explain a lot.

Are you talking about Romney or Hughes?

Romney (lol, rofl) "moved" to Utah to go to College (BYU). Carpetbagger.

Hughes? Hughes didn't move to Utah to "go to school." Hughes moved to Utah to become part of the Swamp. Carpetbagger.

Hughes first political involvement was with Enid Green, finance embezzlement, and fraud...

"Throughout his political career, Hughes had been dogged by the whiff of scandal and corruption. He came to Utah in the early 1990s to help with Enid Greene’s U.S. congressional campaign, which ended with embezzlement charges against her husband that ruined her career." Link

Hughes carpetbagged to Utah. So did Romney.

Pull your punches.

Hughes is deep Utah swamp. Anyone who says otherwise has not been paying attention since Hughes carpetbagged to Utah to engage in political intrigue and corruption.

No one supports Romney. Everyone wants him gone.

I grew up in Utah, caucused and went to the Convention, in the early 1990s. It was something I enjoyed. It is something that I continue to enjoy discussing.

The Utah governor race is an interesting discussion.

Must have had to experience some serious cognitive dissonance to type that.

He was kid working on campaign. He had nothing to do with her husband.  So thats your arguement?

Hughes?

Did you read the article I linked-to?

I read accusations, alleged, and that he is overly Loyal.  I assume you like to go on hearsay?  There wasn't one fact in there all rumors.  He had nothing to do with the embezzlement.  So I'm' confused on how much tinfoil you want me to wear....

He is like Trump in a lot of ways.  I like that.  He is loyal. I like that.  He is strong on the border. I like that.  He is very pro 2nd.  I like that.  He was against medcaid for all.  I like that.  He fought Gary on the constitutional carry veto.  I like that.  I honestly don't find much not to like about the guy.

Huntsman:  Is a quitter.  And he needs to explain his relationship with Jeffery Epstein.  Why was his and his wife's name in that address book?  The one Jeffery's butler said was the golden nugget to the child sex trafficking in the FBI affidavit.

Cox:  Anti Trump.. Even more than Mittens.  Very liberal.  Been horrible on the handling of COVID.

Wright: Doesn't have a shot.  Bishop needs to retire.  I like him sort of...

Basically you won't change my mind with a bunch of tinfoil and allegations.  That article you posted actually made me like Greg more.  So thank you for that.  I like guys with grit and passion.  Dude is willing to fight for what he believes in.  Thats a plus in my book.

Attached File

When Hughes was on the board of directors for UTA, he made questionable land deals with friends.

Investigative report

After he left UTA, and while he was speaker of the house he lead the famous Switzerland trip that lead to several UTA board members resigning.

Swiss trip

Definitely deep swamp.

I understood it to go like this...  He and a partner bought some land as an investment.  Few years later he was asked to run UTA.  Few years after he left the UTA they bought said land because they wanted it.  So I don't fault him there.  As far as investigations go I haven't seen anything that is still on going.  I haven't seen any charges.  I could be missing something though.

Hughes is deep Utah Swamp. It does not require any tinfoil to see that.

Hughes knows what voters want to hear. He wants political power, so he is going to say those things that tickle your ear.




Just like Trump is not much of a compliment lately. Trump imports illegals for cheap labor. Trump is a, "take the guns first" liberal on gun rights.

Have you looked at Trumps deficit spending lately? Trump is currently talking about *more* Trump bucks.

"Just like Trump" is not much a compliment. Does that mean Hughes wants to import illegals for work, criminalize gun parts, and increase government hand-outs...?



I am anti-Trump. Trump is anti-gun, and Trump wants to put me in prison, and ruin my life for gun parts I own. Trumps followers support that.

No one has handling Covid correctly. Utah is doing better than many states, to be honest.

I don't support Cox per se. But no one is handling Covid correctly. It caught everyone (including Trump) with their hands in their pockets. Trump has switched back and forth between "shut it down" to "open everything by Easter" a few times. No one, including Trump, was prepared for this.




Hughes is highly unethical, a deep part of the Utah Swamp, and is dishonest. He also uses his political position to line his own pockets.

Hughes knows what you want to hear politically, but Hughes is a tyrant.

The problem with electing someone with no ethics and no integrity is you will get them saying, "I want tough borders" in one hand, then they will import cheap illegal labor in the other hand.

The problem with electing someone with no ethics and no integrity is you will hear them saying, "I will have a gun rights coalition" (or whatever) in one hand, then they will criminalize gun parts possession in the other hand.

The problem with electing someone with no ethics and no integrity is you will hear them saying, "I will reduce government size and government spending" in one hand. Then in the other they will nationalize parts of the economy, increase nationalization of production and the farms, increase socialist farm subsidies, increase social spending and social handouts, and exponentially increase Federal debt to hostile foreign nations to the tunes of trillions and trillions of dollars.

If you have the choice between folks to elect. Try to pick someone with ethics and integrity. Hughes is devoid of ethics and integrity. Hughes uses his political position to line his own pockets. Hughes is a tyrant. He is a tyrant who says pro-gun things. He is still a tyrant. Hughes will say what he needs to say to stay in power.

Hillary Clinton... I haven't seen any charges. I could be missing something though, but she is definitely innocent. Riiiiiiggghhht….?

Obama... I haven't seen any charges. I could be missing something though... He must be definitely innocent, though.... Rrrrriiiiiiggghhhttt?

Trump imported illegals for work at his hotels and properties. Trump bypassed congress to criminalize "bumpstock" parts possession, and put "bumpstock" owners in prison.... I don't see any criminal charges. I could be missing something though... But he must be innocent. Because only guilty tyrants get charged with crimes. Right? Right?

Biden was just trying to sniff the girls hair when he "grabbed her by the p---". Innocent because he hasn't been charged yet, right? Right?

Hughes is deep Utah swamp. Just like Clinton, Trump, Biden and Obama won't get charged for their dirty deals... Hughes won't be charged for using his political positions to line his own pockets.

The swamp protects itself. The Utah swamp protects itself.

Your name isn't Newby by chance is it?

Huh? Me?-?

Or the guy who thinks the litmus test on swamp politicians is them actually being formally charged...?

Hughes will get formally charged the same day Biden gets charged for grabbing girls "by the p---," and Trump gets charged for importing illegals for work...

I originally sat here and wrote up a big wall of text.  Then I realized you won't be change and neither will I so there is no point.

There is a guy you would probably like that is no longer in the race.  His name is Jason Christensen.  He has a ton of crazy allegations to he can tell you about.

If the roo doesn't like Hughes, Hughes must be doing something right.

If you are one of Hughes buddies/donors getting the benefits of Hughes political tyranny and corruption, you probably think he is doing something right too.

Did you read any of the linked articles in this thread about Hughes political corruption?-?

The debate is getting spicy tonight!

Cox sure did shoot himself in the foot with his hypocritical, you shouldn’t be politicizing COVID-19 comment.

Huntsman looked and sounded like a Romney clone.

Wright’s, cops are racists and I‘m gonna fix it crap.

Then the three amigos race to left on climate change...sheesh.

Hughes appeared to be the only choice.

In before Juni posts links to three articles arguing Hunstman looks nothing like Romney and a picture of Hughes driving a Prius owned by Joe Biden.