This statement is wrong. I have demonstrated how. Also, GOA campaigned for 7 pro gun freshman running for state house in November who won their districts in addition to 5 incumbents that maintained their seats in the face of the latest Bloomberg onslaught. I guess none of those are a win because the incremental effort provided by GOA and it's activists is inseperable from other efforts? Is that the argument you are making?

The NRA delivered after Sandy Hook to defeat the UBC bill in Congress. They have also fucked up with mixed or contrary messaging on bumpstocks and red flag laws.

I want to believe you are arguing in good faith but when I hear criticism of both the proposed FPA and the GOA and their efforts to build grass roots activism (in contrast to the NRA's brand of check book activism) I become skeptical. If Renegadex and Dogtown Tom had set out to discourage pro 2a activism I can't see how their words would have been any different from what I've read in this thread.

No those are not wins, those are statistics. Like bragging about how many yards your football team rushed for while ignoring the fact you lost the game. So unless those statistics result in legislative wins, who cares how many pro-gun folks won elections...

I'm not here to do that.  I'm not sure it exists in a form that you would accept.  I've shared my personal experiences.  If that's not enough for you, that's OK.  You are free to be unswayed by me sharing my firsthand discussions with legislators.  There's a certain degree of opinion and perspective involved here.  It's possible that we're both correct, but with different caveats and/or assumptions.  Obviously RenagadeX is all about some sort of legislative bill being passed, even though working on legislators to get things proposed and to shape the debate is just as important (if not more important).  The Overton Window is a thing.  Battles are important, but the war is more important, and it's ongoing.








My apologies for addressing your points in what I thought was a conversation.

The conversation was started by ar15eric and his point was about GOA and whether they were useless or not.

Had nothing to do with me walking the Halls Of Congress, how lobbying works or any of the other diversions you tried.

No, the conversation was started by Commando223 posting a video about the Texas Firearms Protection Act.  

No the thread was started by Commando223 posting a video about the Texas Firearms Protection Act. And like most threads, there were a variety of conversations within it.