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Posted: 1/11/2021 4:51:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/13/2021 5:18:00 PM EST by hondaciv]
Update 01/13  We have a nice little group started.  I have removed the public link to the channel.  If you would like access, please IM me and I'll share the link.

I have created a group "2020 BBQ Poker Run" for Texas members to go in case this place goes dark.  This uses the encrypted app called "Telegram"  Remember, nobody is vetted as of yet, and even though encrypted, don't consider it secure.  Don't say anything dumb.

For those new to Telegram, here are some guidelines when signing up/using

--- OPSEC CHECK ---

--General Settings
Never use real name.
Never use real display pictures.
Leave username blank; having a username makes you easier to identify and find.
Nothing revealing in your bio.

--Privacy Settings
Phone number -> Nobody
Last Seen & Online -> Nobody
Profile Photo -> Everybody (you'll look suss without it)
Forwarded Messages -> Nobody
Calls -> Nobody
Add to Groups -> Contacts

--Security
Set passcode.
Set two factor authentication password.

--Additional Phone
Who can see it -> Nobody
Who can find me via it -> Contacts (not the best but it's the best telegram will allow)

--Additional Call
Who can call -> Nobody
Peer to Peer -> Nobody

For iOS users, disable iOS call integration.

Settings > privacy and security > calls > iOS call integration
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 8:31:04 PM EST
Phone number required?
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 9:29:46 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 9:59:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/11/2021 9:59:59 PM EST by RenegadeX]
Originally Posted By hondaciv:
I have created a group "arfcomtx" for texas members to go in case this place goes dark.  This uses the encrypted app called "Telegram"  Remember, nobody is vetted as of yet, and even though encrypted, don't consider it secure.  Don't say anything dumb.

https://t.me/joinchat/VJeTLuKCyrJBOoWz
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Wonderful. Another self-identifying group name.

I will stick with the 2021 Rattlesnake Rally folks.

I know you mean well, but think this stuff out.
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 10:06:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RenegadeX:


Wonderful. Another self-identifying group name.

I will stick with the 2021 Rattlesnake Rally folks.

I know you mean well, but think this stuff out.
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I'm no expert at this.  Give me a good name!  Say it, it shall be done
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 10:07:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bulldawg:
Phone number required?
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Yes.  When you sign up to telegram, you must enter your phone number
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 10:13:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:

I'm no expert at this.  Give me a good name!  Say it, it shall be done
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2021 Rattlesnake Rally is what Virginia HTF is using.


2021 BBQ Poker Run, etc., would non- descript. Even 2020 might be better, indicating it is now defunct.

Link Posted: 1/11/2021 10:18:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RenegadeX:


2021 Rattlesnake Rally is what Virginia HTF is using.


2021 BBQ Poker Run, etc., would non- descript. Even 2020 might be better, indicating it is now defunct.

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The channel name is now 2020 BBQ Poker Run
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Originally Posted By Eric802:
I don’t think “arfcom” means AR15.com to anyone but us. Probably not the best opsec but not terrible.
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First result on google is ar15.com

Second result is Urban dictionary:

TOP DEFINITION
arfcom
An internet slang term for the website AR15.com
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 10:48:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Eric802:
Well, okay then.
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opsec is getting more and more important.

Here is another pro-tip leave the cell phone home. I think they stingrayed the Capitol crowd. I think that is SOP now.
Link Posted: 1/12/2021 12:01:23 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/12/2021 12:13:24 PM EST
"People no longer want to trade their privacy for free services"

I'm RIGHT THERE man.  It's not free if they can bend you over any time they want.

Link Posted: 1/12/2021 12:41:56 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/12/2021 10:47:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:

The channel name is now 2020 BBQ Poker Run
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No results.
Link Posted: 1/12/2021 10:55:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DaTrueDave:


No results.
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It's set to private right now.  The invite link is https://t.me/joinchat/VJeTLuKCyrJBOoWz
Link Posted: 1/12/2021 11:02:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:

Yes.  When you sign up to telegram, you must enter your phone number
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By Bulldawg:
Phone number required?

Yes.  When you sign up to telegram, you must enter your phone number


867-5309

Going to look into this . No doubt we will need all the comms we can get.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 11:30:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:

It's set to private right now.  The invite link is https://t.me/joinchat/VJeTLuKCyrJBOoWz
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I'm in and spouting off on random stuff.

Thanks for setting this up!
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 11:46:33 AM EST
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:

The channel name is now 2020 BBQ Poker Run
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Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:


2021 Rattlesnake Rally is what Virginia HTF is using.


2021 BBQ Poker Run, etc., would non- descript. Even 2020 might be better, indicating it is now defunct.


The channel name is now 2020 BBQ Poker Run

Damn, was hoping for Imitation Crab Meat Enthusiasts Anonymous
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 11:54:16 AM EST
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Originally Posted By barnbwt:

Damn, was hoping for Imitation Crab Meat Enthusiasts Anonymous
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Link Posted: 1/13/2021 1:36:00 PM EST
J.R. Here
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 1:40:31 PM EST
Also, for iOS users don’t forget to disable iOS call integration.

Settings > privacy and security > calls > iOS call integration
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 1:44:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ar15eric:
Also, for iOS users don’t forget to disable iOS call integration.

Settings > privacy and security > calls > iOS call integration
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Done.  thanks for the tip
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 2:03:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By barnbwt:

Damn, was hoping for Imitation Crab Meat Enthusiasts Anonymous
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Originally Posted By barnbwt:
Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Originally Posted By RenegadeX:


2021 Rattlesnake Rally is what Virginia HTF is using.


2021 BBQ Poker Run, etc., would non- descript. Even 2020 might be better, indicating it is now defunct.


The channel name is now 2020 BBQ Poker Run

Damn, was hoping for Imitation Crab Meat Enthusiasts Anonymous


Fair point
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 4:50:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RenegadeX:


opsec is getting more and more important.

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Totally agree. At this point just trying to maintain a reasonable level of privacy takes some work. This is a good resource for those of you that want to brush up.


https://inteltechniques.com/podcast.html
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 5:18:55 PM EST
We have a nice little group started.  I have removed the link to the channel in the OP.  If you would like access to the channel, please send me an IM for the new invite link.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 5:53:49 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 2:44:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/15/2021 2:49:27 AM EST by txjim42]
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Originally Posted By Bulldawg:
Phone number required?
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@bulldawg
eesmith posted this in another thread: https://social.techjunkie.com/use-telegram-without-phone-number/

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/-sign-up-for-my-newsletter-podcast-and-telegram-channel/75-2413212/
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 2:56:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/15/2021 2:58:48 AM EST by txjim42]
Originally Posted By hondaciv:
Update 01/13  We have a nice little group started.  I have removed the public link to the channel.  If you would like access, please IM me and I'll share the link.

I have created a group "2020 BBQ Poker Run" for Texas members to go in case this place goes dark.  This uses the encrypted app called "Telegram"  Remember, nobody is vetted as of yet, and even though encrypted, don't consider it secure.  Don't say anything dumb.

For those new to Telegram, here are some guidelines when signing up/using

--- OPSEC CHECK ---

--General Settings
Never use real name.
Never use real display pictures.
Leave username blank; having a username makes you easier to identify and find.
Nothing revealing in your bio.

--Privacy Settings
Phone number -> Nobody
Last Seen & Online -> Nobody
Profile Photo -> Everybody (you'll look suss without it)
Forwarded Messages -> Nobody
Calls -> Nobody
Add to Groups -> Contacts

--Security
Set passcode.
Set two factor authentication password.

--Additional Phone
Who can see it -> Nobody
Who can find me via it -> Contacts (not the best but it's the best telegram will allow)

--Additional Call
Who can call -> Nobody
Peer to Peer -> Nobody

For iOS users, disable iOS call integration.

Settings > privacy and security > calls > iOS call integration
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I have enabled auto-lock under the passcode lock settings... Encrypted messages are useless if the phone and app are unlocked if/when siezed.  Same applies to Signal and other encrypted messaging apps. Keep them locked when not in use.

I'm considering the account self-destruct option.  If not using the app/account, why keep it around?

I'm told you cannot be compelled to unlock the phone with a pin/something you know, but your fingerprint can be used to unlock devices... /Shrug I don't know but I just use a pin instead of easily used biometrics.



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Time for a Breaking Bad phone, I guess.  Do they still sell those at the Quikee Mart with 250 pre-paid minutes to Mexico?
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 6:48:56 PM EST
IM sent
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 10:22:02 PM EST
Anyone else having trouble with the invite link?

Also does anyone have the invite for the Discord that was created in another post? Can’t seem to find the original post.
Link Posted: 1/15/2021 11:12:40 PM EST
One thing I will say, having been in IT for over a decade now, nothing is 100% secure. Maybe if you control the hardware, fully audited the source code, built the app from the source code, have similar security around the tools used to build the app, you might be getting into the realm of reasonably secure. We also don't know what kind of unreported zero day vulnerabilities the nation state hackers can exploit.

Also, encryption is not completely unbreakable. The security of encryption is not based on if it is unbreakable, but if it is unbreakable within a reasonable amount of time. Nation states that can afford to cluster 20000 servers to crack a single message could brute force it in a shorter amount of time. They could also know of back doors or weakness in the encryption algorithms that they keep as closely held secrets. But the more that these apps are used for everyday conversations, the more traffic it generates so that hackers don't know where they need to focus their efforts, like a needle in a hay stack.

Moral of the story, many of these apps are pretty secure, but don't have a Titanic "this ship can not sink" attitude with them.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 12:11:41 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FreedomForAll:
Anyone else having trouble with the invite link?

Also does anyone have the invite for the Discord that was created in another post? Can’t seem to find the original post.
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I may have missed it, but can anyone here vouch for you?  We see a brand new unpaid member, under 20 posts, showing a Colorado location, posting in the Texas forum, wanting to join various private groups, when these private groups are being set up in attempts to establish alternate and relatively secure means of communication with known individuals...  I hope you understand if people give you the silent treatment.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 12:48:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bulldawg:


I may have missed it, but can anyone here vouch for you?  We see a brand new unpaid member, under 20 posts, showing a Colorado location, posting in the Texas forum, wanting to join various private groups, when these private groups are being set up in attempts to establish alternate and relatively secure means of communication with known individuals...  I hope you understand if people give you the silent treatment.
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No worries I understand the concern.

No one here unfortunately, as I’m new here obviously. I was on Reddit until I got tired of supporting the website. I’ve been on Keybase since then with the 3D printing guys.

I’ve just recently created an alternative community on there for here too, although only have a few members so far.
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Originally Posted By FreedomForAll:


No worries I understand the concern.

No one here unfortunately, as I’m new here obviously. I was on Reddit until I got tired of supporting the website. I’ve been on Keybase since then with the 3D printing guys.

I’ve just recently created an alternative community on there for here too, although only have a few members so far.
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Originally Posted By FreedomForAll:
Originally Posted By Bulldawg:


I may have missed it, but can anyone here vouch for you?  We see a brand new unpaid member, under 20 posts, showing a Colorado location, posting in the Texas forum, wanting to join various private groups, when these private groups are being set up in attempts to establish alternate and relatively secure means of communication with known individuals...  I hope you understand if people give you the silent treatment.


No worries I understand the concern.

No one here unfortunately, as I’m new here obviously. I was on Reddit until I got tired of supporting the website. I’ve been on Keybase since then with the 3D printing guys.

I’ve just recently created an alternative community on there for here too, although only have a few members so far.

Keybase is unfriendly territory.
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Keybase is unfriendly territory.
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Is there an issue with it? I haven’t had any issues or heard anything negative about it.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 1:58:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FreedomForAll:


Is there an issue with it? I haven’t had any issues or heard anything negative about it.
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Originally Posted By FreedomForAll:
Originally Posted By barnbwt:

Keybase is unfriendly territory.


Is there an issue with it? I haven’t had any issues or heard anything negative about it.

They changed their ToS specifically to nuke the Arfcom group.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 3:36:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/16/2021 3:44:45 AM EST by French1966]
@hondaciv

Requesting some assistance with telegram

Pm sent

Thanks
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Originally Posted By French1966:
@hondaciv

Requesting some assistance with telegram

Pm sent

Thanks
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Replied
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 12:55:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By barnbwt:

They changed their ToS specifically to nuke the Arfcom group.
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Oh crap. Thanks for letting me know, since I was unaware of that.
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 11:59:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bulldawg:


Time for a Breaking Bad phone, I guess.  Do they still sell those at the Quikee Mart with 250 pre-paid minutes to Mexico?
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If I had a pile of fun-money that wasn't already allocated, when the Google Pixel goes on sale, hit up Bestbuy or some place local, pay cash, then kick google out the door by installing GrapheneOS... Use free wifi someplace other than your work/home. - https://grapheneos.org/

Use cash/gift-cards to obtain SIM card.  

Be very conservative about application installation. Only what's necessary but include VPN with a kill-switch feature to keep your IP address on lock-down.  Use browser based services to avoid adding potential vectors of compromise to your phone.  Minimize your footprint.  Don't install apps then use your known creds/identities or you might further comprise your privacy.  Etc.

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Originally Posted By mojo:


 Civ....What kinds of question you ask for vetting?
 Give the candidate hard questions...Like who killed AROCK?
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I lol'd.
I'm going to hell.
Link Posted: 1/24/2021 11:53:16 PM EST
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Like who killed AROCK?
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Whoever it was, fuck him!
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