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Link Posted: 6/28/2022 6:27:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DaveM4P99] [#1]
Go Nolo! That's a scary letter. Remind me never to cross you. Ha.
Link Posted: 6/29/2022 9:11:58 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/29/2022 10:14:05 AM EDT
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There also needs to be a legal letter written to the Rockland County Clerk. Their statement on the clerks website in part reads that they are "...awaiting direction from the State of New York on new protocols and procedures..". That does not comport nor comply with this ruling. Furthermore, the fact is that Rockland County issued the existing pistol permits under their own authority. It is also a fact the application requirements prior to this ruling were the same for a "sportsmen" permit or carry permit. The only difference was they would only give a carry permit to LEO's.
Link Posted: 6/29/2022 2:26:48 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/29/2022 3:30:18 PM EDT
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One “minor” correction.  What SCOTUS rule to be unconstitutional on Wednesday was also unconstitutional on Tuesday, and in fact from day one.

Nice smack down.  “Put on notice” means no immunity.
Link Posted: 6/29/2022 10:04:16 PM EDT
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I'll predict that Once some Cop, Judge, county clerk, etc.. actually gets hit with a $$ judgement for violating someone's constitutional right, the concealed carry permits will be flying out the door!
Link Posted: 6/30/2022 1:17:05 AM EDT
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I'll predict that Once some Cop, Judge, county clerk, etc.. actually gets hit with a $$ judgement for violating someone's constitutional right, the concealed carry permits will be flying out the door!
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I nominate Nassau.
Link Posted: 6/30/2022 5:59:25 AM EDT
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Huh, I'd have to imagine saying you don't need numbers isn't the best way to prove governmental need for regulation (and that'd be to even get close to strict scrutiny)... God bless Thomas for laying down text, history, and tradition.  Next, to find an honest lower court judge in NY to apply it...
Link Posted: 6/30/2022 10:40:41 AM EDT
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Mass noncompliance with all these laws in light of NYSRPA is the only way. We all know these laws are not in line with text history and tradition.
Link Posted: 6/30/2022 2:43:44 PM EDT
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From what is being released it seems that the governor and legislature will directly ignore SCOTUS today. They will be imposing a de facto ban on carry in all public places. They will also be putting onerous requirements such as 15 hours of live fire training for all carry permits.

Both of those were directly addressed in the ruling as unconstitutional. No shall issue state has any of those requirements.

https://www.longislandpress.com/2022/06/30/hochul-state-to-limit-where-guns-can-be-carried/
Link Posted: 6/30/2022 3:04:34 PM EDT
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We need a ton of “you’re on notice, no immunity” letters sent to all NYS LE agencies concerning this, which is blatantly in violation of Bruen.
Link Posted: 6/30/2022 4:31:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M-Aurelius:
From what is being released it seems that the governor and legislature will directly ignore SCOTUS today. They will be imposing a de facto ban on carry in all public places. They will also be putting onerous requirements such as 15 hours of live fire training for all carry permits.

Both of those were directly addressed in the ruling as unconstitutional. No shall issue state has any of those requirements.

https://www.longislandpress.com/2022/06/30/hochul-state-to-limit-where-guns-can-be-carried/
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So she wants to revive the ammo database? What a witch! Hopefully NYSP will tell her to pound sand.
Link Posted: 6/30/2022 5:40:50 PM EDT
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I guess Suffolk County is refusing to abide by the ruling. They need a letter from Nolo
Link Posted: 6/30/2022 6:06:10 PM EDT
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This could almost be copied and pasted to several municipalities
Link Posted: 6/30/2022 9:24:33 PM EDT
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https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/nyregion/handgun-concealed-carry-ny.html

Looks like they're going all in, f*** the constitution.
Almost total ban on carrying in NY.

Stop at a restaurant between the range and home - felon

Leave the gun in the car without full lockbox - criminal.

filthy b*tch answered where is carry legal - "some streets"
Link Posted: 7/1/2022 6:44:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tyranid:
I guess Suffolk County is refusing to abide by the ruling. They need a letter from Nolo
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I am not sure what letters to counties are going to do with the Governor of state is essentially saying we aren't going to follow the ruling.
Link Posted: 7/1/2022 7:06:06 AM EDT
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I am not sure what letters to counties are going to do with the Governor of state is essentially saying we aren't going to follow the ruling.
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Nolo sued the governor and won once before and that before the Supreme Court was involved.  

No doubt there will have to be more lawsuits.
Link Posted: 7/1/2022 5:56:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By tyranid:
I guess Suffolk County is refusing to abide by the ruling. They need a letter from Nolo
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Has anyone contacted Suffolk county (or any of them for that matter) & asked them to take the "sportsman" restriction off their permit?
Link Posted: 7/1/2022 6:21:46 PM EDT
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Has anyone contacted Suffolk county (or any of them for that matter) & asked them to take the "sportsman" restriction off their permit?
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My friend did.

Suffolk responded that they are awaiting guidance from the state
Link Posted: 7/1/2022 6:36:45 PM EDT
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My friend did.

Suffolk responded that they are awaiting guidance from the state
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Originally Posted By fighter443:
Originally Posted By shocktrp:


Has anyone contacted Suffolk county (or any of them for that matter) & asked them to take the "sportsman" restriction off their permit?
My friend did.

Suffolk responded that they are awaiting guidance from the state


The sad part of this is, even though permits will be unrestricted, anywhere you would want to carry will be a class E felony once the next joke of a law passes the D super majority.  
Link Posted: 7/1/2022 8:34:24 PM EDT
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The sad part of this is, even though permits will be unrestricted, anywhere you would want to carry will be a class E felony once the next joke of a law passes the D super majority.  
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Agreed.

We will all have concealed carry permits in name only.
Link Posted: 7/1/2022 9:09:32 PM EDT
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Look on the bright side if your wife or girlfriend gets raped because she can't defend herself she can have unrestricted abortion in NY.
Link Posted: 7/3/2022 4:49:52 PM EDT
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Attachment Attached File


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ny-governor-requires-3-years-social-media-history-obtain-concealed-carry-permit

...To that end, Hochul on Friday signed sweeping gun legislation into law that adds several layers of red tape for those who wish to obtain a gun in the state - including a new rule requiring anyone applying for a concealed carry permit to submit a three-year history of their current and inactive social media accounts. The new law will take effect on September 1, 2022.

Applicants for concealed carry permits must also undergo 16 hours of firearm training, provide four character references, and list the contact information for domestic partners or adults who reside in the same house.

Potential applicants will also be required to show "good moral character," meaning "the essential character, temperament and judgment necessary to be entrusted with a weapon and to use it only in a manner that does not endanger oneself and others."

At a press conference regarding the new legislation, Hochul said "we are creating a definitive list of sensitive locations where individuals will not be able to carry firearms."

This list includes "schools, summer camps, libraries, daycares, parks and playgrounds, places children gather, theaters, museums, entertainment venues, places of worship for religious observation, polling places, educational institutions, and health medical facilities. Federal State Local government buildings, homeless and domestic violence shelters, places where alcohol is consumed, restaurants, bars, public transportation, subway buses, airports and at public demonstrations and rallies, and in Times Square."

Another new rule is a "Default of No Concealed Carry on Private Property and Businesses Unless Deemed Permissible by Property Owners." Hochul said of this law, "We are making 'no open carry' the default position for private businesses. That means that any business, grocery store, retail, private home, place that wants to allow guns on their premises will have to demonstrate that and establish that they put a sign out there that says concealed carry guns are welcome here."...
Link Posted: 7/3/2022 7:04:27 PM EDT
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Only good news I've heard is that that
The NY Witch, all the State Senator's & Representatives are catching heavy heat from big donors who all have NYC carry permits, who will all be Felons under the new laws.
I hope they burn them down!
Link Posted: 7/3/2022 7:27:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By garr:
Only good news I've heard is that that
The NY Witch, all the State Senator's & Representatives are catching heavy heat from big donors who all have NYC carry permits, who will all be Felons under the new laws.
I hope they burn them down!
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They will get a carve out or a simply ignore it with a wink when it happens to some big donor.
Link Posted: 7/3/2022 7:32:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By garr:
Only good news I've heard is that that
The NY Witch, all the State Senator's & Representatives are catching heavy heat from big donors who all have NYC carry permits, who will all be Felons under the new laws.
I hope they burn them down!
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I sure hope this is true.
Link Posted: 7/3/2022 8:13:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By batjka104:


I sure hope this is true.
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I sure hope this is true.


Oh it's true, I have a family member who is a Fat Cat, I was amongst him & a few other very wealthy permit holders last night, they are all pissed beyond belief.

Originally Posted By Meathook:

They will get a carve out or a simply ignore it with a wink when it happens to some big donor.


A carve out? Not happening.
And in this day & age of cameras everywhere the wink & nod days are over!
I do think that, one way or another, that quietly these bullshit new laws will be put to rest. The NY witch will get canned like cumhole & the last few Governors due to some scandal, they are all filthy dirty corrupt commie scum. Who knows maybe the commies will lose some power here in NY.
Link Posted: 7/3/2022 10:31:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By garr:
Only good news I've heard is that that
The NY Witch, all the State Senator's & Representatives are catching heavy heat from big donors who all have NYC carry permits, who will all be Felons under the new laws.
I hope they burn them down!
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I sincerely hope thats the truth
Link Posted: 7/3/2022 10:33:01 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/3/2022 10:33:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By garr:

A carve out? Not happening.
And in this day & age of cameras everywhere the wink & nod days are over!
I do think that, one way or another, that quietly these bullshit new laws will be put to rest. The NY witch will get canned like cumhole & the last few Governors due to some scandal, they are all filthy dirty corrupt commie scum. Who knows maybe the commies will lose some power here in NY.
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I've believed that as dirty as he was, there was no way that Cuomo picked her as a running mate without knowing that she has skeletons in her closet that he could hold over her.
Now its up to us to find those skeletons.
Link Posted: 7/4/2022 11:26:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:

I've believed that as dirty as he was, there was no way that Cuomo picked her as a running mate without knowing that she has skeletons in her closet that he could hold over her.
Now its up to us to find those skeletons.
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They must be buried pretty well because her recent primary challengers had nothing. I am sure their teams were working diligently to uncover things.

Link Posted: 7/4/2022 11:45:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:

I've believed that as dirty as he was, there was no way that Cuomo picked her as a running mate without knowing that she has skeletons in her closet that he could hold over her.
Now its up to us to find those skeletons.
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Or he selected her because she was a non-threatening incompetent with no problematic background.
Link Posted: 7/4/2022 1:07:01 PM EDT
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I am not sure what letters to counties are going to do with the Governor of state is essentially saying we aren't going to follow the ruling.
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Prevent them from claiming Qualified Immunity for not immediately knowing that a SCOTUS ruling prohibits their conduct.
Link Posted: 7/4/2022 1:15:02 PM EDT
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She was one of my town of Hamburg board members, and then Erie County Clerk. Never heard anything untoward about her back then. I'm actually surprised how she's now gone against the Supreme Court ruling. But all of the Dems have become unmanageable the past decade.
Link Posted: 7/4/2022 1:20:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
Go Nolo! That's a scary letter. Remind me never to cross you. Ha.
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He helped get a mayor indicted when he was a student.
Link Posted: 7/4/2022 1:36:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PepePewPew:
Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
Go Nolo! That's a scary letter. Remind me never to cross you. Ha.


He helped get a mayor indicted when he was a student.


That's awesome. Didn't know that story.

Link Posted: 7/4/2022 2:01:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By kzin:


Or he selected her because she was a non-threatening incompetent with no problematic background.
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Originally Posted By tc556guy:

I've believed that as dirty as he was, there was no way that Cuomo picked her as a running mate without knowing that she has skeletons in her closet that he could hold over her.
Now its up to us to find those skeletons.


Or he selected her because she was a non-threatening incompetent with no problematic background.

And to help with the WNY vote
Link Posted: 7/4/2022 3:01:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lockedandloaded:
She was one of my town of Hamburg board members, and then Erie County Clerk. Never heard anything untoward about her back then. I'm actually surprised how she's now gone against the Supreme Court ruling. But all of the Dems have become unmanageable the past decade.
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She’s like Biden. She has handlers. Just does what she is told. A puppet.
Link Posted: 7/5/2022 9:08:20 AM EDT
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She's like Biden. She has handlers. Just does what she is told. A puppet.
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Originally Posted By lockedandloaded:
She was one of my town of Hamburg board members, and then Erie County Clerk. Never heard anything untoward about her back then. I'm actually surprised how she's now gone against the Supreme Court ruling. But all of the Dems have become unmanageable the past decade.


She's like Biden. She has handlers. Just does what she is told. A puppet.
It was the same with Gillibrand. She was "A" rated by the NRA and gave hope to the people in her district that she would be a 2A supporter as Senator. Boy where we surprised. Schumer took her to a re-education camp and brainwashed her.
Link Posted: 7/5/2022 9:21:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Aardvark:
It was the same with Gillibrand. She was "A" rated by the NRA and gave hope to the people in her district that she would be a 2A supporter as Senator. Boy where we surprised. Schumer took her to a re-education camp and brainwashed her.
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Can't get the kickbacks, reelection money and cushy committees if you don't.
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