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Posted: 5/13/2023 12:32:44 AM EDT
So I've got to make a trip to the Rochester area for about two weeks for work. Just retired from LE about a month ago. Have my retired badge, agency retired ID and LEOSA creds. What is my magazine limit requirement while in your state? I don't want to run afoul of the NY laws if I can help it.
I would appreciate any guidance that could be provided. Thank you in advance! |
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[#1]
10 rounds, but cops aren't allowed to count rounds.
Get a garbage plate while you're here. We're in Ontario county, southeast of Rottencrotchfester. |
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[#2]
We peasants have a 10 round maximum here. Not sure how you will be limited. Hopefully one of the LEO's here will fill you in.
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[#4]
This is worth what you paid for it. A NYS cop friend said under LEOSA you could keep your original duty mags. However, to avoid the hassle and the ride, I'd buy a 10 round mag or two. Is it a capitulation to a bad law, yep. But, do you need a potential shit show?
Don't worry, Clarence right now is plotting to get rid of the mag bans in 2038. |
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Quoted: This is what I thought the rule was. Thank you! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: In your home state. LEOSA does not cover mags that hold more than 10 rounds in states that ban them or hollow point bullets in states that ban them (NJ). This is what I thought the rule was. Thank you! You can carry what you should Full cap bags and all. |
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[#9]
Ten round mags. The only mags that were covered for retired officers were AR mags, and you have to qualify with those mags every three years in order to keep them. IF your former agency will even follow the edicts set forth in the unSAFE act and qual guys on their ARs on 218/ LEOSA range days
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Here's the actual language out of NYS Article 265 as it pertains to retired LEO's and magazines. The short answer is retired LEO's with the high caps they carried when they retired are good to go in NYS.
https://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article265.php?zoom_highlight=cpw#p265.20 e. Subdivision eight of section 265.02 and sections 265.36 and 265.37 of this chapter shall not apply to a qualified retired New York or federal law enforcement officer as defined in subdivision twenty-five of section 265.00 of this article, with respect to large capacity ammunition feeding devices issued to such officer or purchased by such officer in the course of his or her official duties and owned by such officer at the time of his or her retirement or comparable replacements for such devices, if: (i) the agency that employed the officer qualified such officer in the use of the weapon which accepts such device in accordance with applicable state or federal standards for active duty law enforcement officers within twelve months prior to his or her retirement; and (ii) such retired officer meets, at his or her own expense, such applicable standards for such weapon at least once within three years after his or her retirement date and at least once every three years thereafter, provided, however, that any such qualified officer who has been retired for eighteen months or more on the effective date of this subdivision shall have eighteen months from such effective date to qualify in the use of the weapon which accepts such large capacity ammunition feeding device according to the provisions of this subdivision, notwithstanding that such officer did not qualify within three years after his or her retirement date, provided that such officer is otherwise qualified and maintains compliance with the provisions of this subdivision. |
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[#11]
Quoted: Here's the actual language out of NYS Article 265 as it pertains to retired LEO's and magazines. The short answer is retired LEO's with the high caps they carried when they retired are good to go in NYS. https://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article265.php?zoom_highlight=cpw#p265.20 e. Subdivision eight of section 265.02 and sections 265.36 and 265.37 of this chapter shall not apply to a qualified retired New York or federal law enforcement officer as defined in subdivision twenty-five of section 265.00 of this article, with respect to large capacity ammunition feeding devices issued to such officer or purchased by such officer in the course of his or her official duties and owned by such officer at the time of his or her retirement or comparable replacements for such devices, if: (i) the agency that employed the officer qualified such officer in the use of the weapon which accepts such device in accordance with applicable state or federal standards for active duty law enforcement officers within twelve months prior to his or her retirement; and (ii) such retired officer meets, at his or her own expense, such applicable standards for such weapon at least once within three years after his or her retirement date and at least once every three years thereafter, provided, however, that any such qualified officer who has been retired for eighteen months or more on the effective date of this subdivision shall have eighteen months from such effective date to qualify in the use of the weapon which accepts such large capacity ammunition feeding device according to the provisions of this subdivision, notwithstanding that such officer did not qualify within three years after his or her retirement date, provided that such officer is otherwise qualified and maintains compliance with the provisions of this subdivision. View Quote This says "retired New York or federal law enforcement officer" Also, effective September 4, 2022, Penal Law Section 265.36 (unlawful possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device), was repealed. Here is a current copy of the laws: http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/lawssrch.cgi?NVLWO: (click on the "LAWS" tab) |
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[#12]
Yep.... Looks like NY only recognizes NY retired officers for an acception. Thank you to all who replied. I think I've got the info I need.
I hope y'all can, some day, out vote the commies in your state and join free America again. |
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Quoted: Yep.... Looks like NY only recognizes NY retired officers for an acception. Thank you to all who replied. I think I've got the info I need. I hope y'all can, some day, out vote the commies in your state and join free America again. View Quote |
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Quoted: Flying spaghetti monster will arrive before that. View Quote Unfortunately true. Sad reality NY is a lost cause, If all reasonable logical conservative minded people left ( which for the most part are the only ones working and providing tax revenue besides the totally brainwashed extreme leftists most of which work for the state and local government and education systems) the state would collapse. Only way it might be recoverable is to let it fall totally then rebuild brick by brick. The old saying “ you can’t fight city hall” applies here. And since NYC city hall might just as well be the state capitol, there is simply no recovery at this point. I put my money where my mouth is and left 7 years ago, I suggest anyone reading this do the same. Enough rant the easy answer to your question, is to simply pack a couple J frames - no capacity issues there. |
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Quoted: Here's the actual language out of NYS Article 265 as it pertains to retired LEO's and magazines. The short answer is retired LEO's with the high caps they carried when they retired are good to go in NYS. https://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article265.php?zoom_highlight=cpw#p265.20 e. Subdivision eight of section 265.02 and sections 265.36 and 265.37 of this chapter shall not apply to a qualified retired New York or federal law enforcement officer as defined in subdivision twenty-five of section 265.00 of this article, with respect to large capacity ammunition feeding devices issued to such officer or purchased by such officer in the course of his or her official duties and owned by such officer at the time of his or her retirement or comparable replacements for such devices, if: (i) the agency that employed the officer qualified such officer in the use of the weapon which accepts such device in accordance with applicable state or federal standards for active duty law enforcement officers within twelve months prior to his or her retirement; and (ii) such retired officer meets, at his or her own expense, such applicable standards for such weapon at least once within three years after his or her retirement date and at least once every three years thereafter, provided, however, that any such qualified officer who has been retired for eighteen months or more on the effective date of this subdivision shall have eighteen months from such effective date to qualify in the use of the weapon which accepts such large capacity ammunition feeding device according to the provisions of this subdivision, notwithstanding that such officer did not qualify within three years after his or her retirement date, provided that such officer is otherwise qualified and maintains compliance with the provisions of this subdivision. View Quote Thats going to suck because I have no intention of carrying a Glock 17 as a retired guy...... Pretty sure my agency will interpret the above s meaning they'll only qualify a retired guy on the make and model of handgun they were carrying the day they retired Yesterday was my last day. Tomorrow I'm on the range to do my 218 qual. I'll have to ask, I guess. |
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[#18]
Seems like it’s already been answered but as far as I know LEOSA never covered magazine capacity or ammunition type. So exempting any Federal legislation on magazines and ammunition state laws would apply. YMMV
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I've got to say that even though this is NY, the western half of the state seems to be very beautiful. The Finger Lakes region is really nice. The weather has been crazy. It was 32 degrees here the other morning and has been in the 50's and 60's for highs. I'm ready to head back south and complain about the heat!
I've actually met quite a few "gun guys" up this way. Hearing what it takes to get a concealed carry permit up here makes me scratch my head a bit. Wow.... |
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Quoted: I've got to say that even though this is NY, the western half of the state seems to be very beautiful. The Finger Lakes region is really nice. View Quote The problem is there are really two New York's. The New York City region that is basically everything south of Sullivan County and the rest of the state. Unfortunately the New York City region pretty much runs the state and writes all of the asinine laws. Same problem in California. It is basically San Francisco south that sets the agenda for the entire state. Just like in California, the upstate region would love to secede if they could. Upstate New York should become New Amsterdam and be done with it. |
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Upstate NY is among the most beautiful places on earth. It's a shame what the politicians have done to it.
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Quoted: My fathers family was from Syracuse and when I was a child we would vacation at my grandparents cottage on Skaneateles Lake. Beautiful region and I would love to settle there when I retire but it is in New York and I want out of here to experience a few years of freedom and preserve my retirement savings The problem is there are really two New York's. The New York City region that is basically everything south of Sullivan County and the rest of the state. Unfortunately the New York City region pretty much runs the state and writes all of the asinine laws. Same problem in California. It is basically San Francisco south that sets the agenda for the entire state. Just like in California, the upstate region would love to secede if they could. Upstate New York should become New Amsterdam and be done with it. View Quote Amen to that. The Senators are chained to NYc. Our elder senator lives in Brooklyn and has or ignores all conceptualizations outside of his bubble world. The other, sold her values for the job, as did Hochul. |
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Quoted: The problem is there are really two New York's. View Quote Virginia is the same way. We are stuck with NOVA (Northern VA), otherwise known as occupied Virginia. About 30-40% of the states population lives in a five county area up there. Many are federal government workers and the rest are all recent immigrants. All of them vote D. Outside of NOVA and NYC, both states seem to be very reasonable and have a lot to offer. Made it back today but have to head back in another week. Make sure you all turn the damn heat on by next week. It was 30 degrees up there the other morning. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? |
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Quoted: Virginia is the same way. We are stuck with NOVA (Northern VA), otherwise known as occupied Virginia. About 30-40% of the states population lives in a five county area up there. Many are federal government workers and the rest are all recent immigrants. All of them vote D. Outside of NOVA and NYC, both states seem to be very reasonable and have a lot to offer. Made it back today but have to head back in another week. Make sure you all turn the damn heat on by next week. It was 30 degrees up there the other morning. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? View Quote The overnight low temps have been lingering this year Generally the gardeners know to hold off until Mothers Day for planting if they dont want to lose anything, but this year is a bit odd. The lows tonight are supposed to dip into the high 30s I turned off the boiler weeks ago after the last NYSEG bill and have been burning wood on the colder nights, but it HAS been a bit ridiculous this year. It was in the mid 70s today, so we're talking a 40-ish degree temp range from lows to highs. |
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Quoted: Virginia is the same way. We are stuck with NOVA (Northern VA), otherwise known as occupied Virginia. View Quote |
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Quoted: This says "retired New York or federal law enforcement officer" Also, effective September 4, 2022, Penal Law Section 265.36 (unlawful possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device), was repealed. Here is a current copy of the laws: http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/lawssrch.cgi?NVLWO: (click on the "LAWS" tab) View Quote Since they repealed 265.36 and all it's language, are they now using 265.37 as the magazine capacity standard? It still uses seven rounds as the legal limit. |
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Quoted: Since they repealed 265.36 and all it's language, are they now using 265.37 as the magazine capacity standard? It still uses seven rounds as the legal limit. View Quote New York being New York. In 2013 Skretny in Erie County, struck down the parts of SAFE that had made it illegal for individuals to load more than seven rounds of ammunition into a magazine. So Western NY was back to 10-rounds while Eastern NY was still at seven. Then the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the ruling making it state-wide. But, a Judge or Court ruling does not change the law. Technically it is still law until the law is amended. New York doesn't enforce it because they know they would lose. |
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Well, I've got to head back up there this coming week for another two weeks. Y'alls gun laws are draconion at best. That said, Virginia is just a couple of poor votes away from the same stupidity. We seem to keep getting all of y'alls malcontent lefties moving into NOVA and they bring their lunatic politics with them.
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Quoted: Thats going to suck because I have no intention of carrying a Glock 17 as a retired guy...... Pretty sure my agency will interpret the above s meaning they'll only qualify a retired guy on the make and model of handgun they were carrying the day they retired Yesterday was my last day. Tomorrow I'm on the range to do my 218 qual. I'll have to ask, I guess. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Here's the actual language out of NYS Article 265 as it pertains to retired LEO's and magazines. The short answer is retired LEO's with the high caps they carried when they retired are good to go in NYS. https://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article265.php?zoom_highlight=cpw#p265.20 e. Subdivision eight of section 265.02 and sections 265.36 and 265.37 of this chapter shall not apply to a qualified retired New York or federal law enforcement officer as defined in subdivision twenty-five of section 265.00 of this article, with respect to large capacity ammunition feeding devices issued to such officer or purchased by such officer in the course of his or her official duties and owned by such officer at the time of his or her retirement or comparable replacements for such devices, if: (i) the agency that employed the officer qualified such officer in the use of the weapon which accepts such device in accordance with applicable state or federal standards for active duty law enforcement officers within twelve months prior to his or her retirement; and (ii) such retired officer meets, at his or her own expense, such applicable standards for such weapon at least once within three years after his or her retirement date and at least once every three years thereafter, provided, however, that any such qualified officer who has been retired for eighteen months or more on the effective date of this subdivision shall have eighteen months from such effective date to qualify in the use of the weapon which accepts such large capacity ammunition feeding device according to the provisions of this subdivision, notwithstanding that such officer did not qualify within three years after his or her retirement date, provided that such officer is otherwise qualified and maintains compliance with the provisions of this subdivision. Thats going to suck because I have no intention of carrying a Glock 17 as a retired guy...... Pretty sure my agency will interpret the above s meaning they'll only qualify a retired guy on the make and model of handgun they were carrying the day they retired Yesterday was my last day. Tomorrow I'm on the range to do my 218 qual. I'll have to ask, I guess. There are some private offerings of HR218 qual/ cert out there and I think its user choice of pistol. I am not LEO but the agency I work for is firing up a HR218 program for those retired from the agency, or any retired LEO that live in the county. I don't think they care what pistol you use, and the issued card doesn't specify. I don't know anyone personally who would CCW a Glock 21. |
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Quoted: There are some private offerings of HR218 qual/ cert out there and I think its user choice of pistol. I am not LEO but the agency I work for is firing up a HR218 program for those retired from the agency, or any retired LEO that live in the county. I don't think they care what pistol you use, and the issued card doesn't specify. I don't know anyone personally who would CCW a Glock 21. View Quote I upgraded to a Glock 20 last winter Now that it's summer I'm back to the 43 There are enough agencies in the area that I can probably get my 218 qual through one of them. I couldn't make it to the range last week when my guys were on the range because I was down with bronchitis for several days |
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Quoted: Well, I've got to head back up there this coming week for another two weeks. Y'alls gun laws are draconion at best. That said, Virginia is just a couple of poor votes away from the same stupidity. We seem to keep getting all of y'alls malcontent lefties moving into NOVA and they bring their lunatic politics with them. View Quote Dress for the heat, now you get to suffer our lovely shift to blazing hot while last week had frost. |
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Quoted: Dress for the heat, now you get to suffer our lovely shift to blazing hot while last week had frost. View Quote |
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